Don't bother. They just don't care.
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Why didn't Capcom just get platinum games to make DmC?
- Thread starter BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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Don't bother. They just don't care.
call_kotaku
Member
If anything, regardless of DmC's sales, Capcom's been successful in convincing people that DMC was/is a stale franchise that desperately needed a reboot.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
I meant not having a competent system I'll edit it later. I don't know why western developers don't give a fuck about combat.
Really? What's amazing about it?
So the solution is to either trick people into buying your shitty reboot without any fucks given to actual fans of the IP?
Free marketing for Capcom when everyone went to cry on forums about the reboot.
The graphics, the PC port, the controls, the presentation, the cutscenes, the level design, the voice acting, and the combat system (aside from no lock-on and color coded enemies).
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
It's a really good game. It's just that some people find the combat lacking in comparison to the previous games.
BadAss2961
Member
This says otherwise though.
They can have Metacritic, but all the Doritos and Mountain Dew in the world can't convince the people.
yurinka
Member
Capcom aimed to sell 2M for this FY with DmC and previous game sold :
DMC4 sold 2.6M LTD
DMC3 sold 1.3M LTD
DMC2 sold 1.7M LTD
DMC sold 2.16M LTD
Let's see how it performs against their target in April.
At least to the reviews included in Metacritic yes since i's getting slightly better scores than DMC4.
MS are the Doritos and Pizza Hut ones, not CacpcomThey can have Metacritic, but all the Doritos and Mountain Dew in the world can't convince the people.
Might be a little harsh, but yeah. I'm having a ton of fun with it. Granted, I never really played the originals, so I can imagine why fans might not be happy with the changes, but on its own merits it's not a bad game at all.
I still think the previous games are stale. DmC felt pretty damn fresh, and it's a much better game than DMC4. I'd much rather see DmC2 than DMC5.
If it wasn't stale and in need of rethinking, then why didn't Capcom proceed with DMC5? The DMC series has a much higher turn out rate than Capcom's other games, and if it were as fresh and hip as you believe it was, then we should've saw a teaser for DMC5 in 2009. DMC4 was a best-seller, went multiplatform, got fairly decent reviews, and introduced a new character and storyline.
Why didn't they proceed?
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
I must have played the metal gear rising demo 100 times already. Platinum definitely would have definitely took the series in the right direction.
Just going to guess it's because they wanted to get a game out and their internal teams were busy with Dragon's Dogma. The real question is why do people think Capcom would think the series stale coming off the best selling entry?
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Crash Station
Member
Of course they have disdain for Capcom!
Some of us like the game but prefer the old universe and mechanics. Some people are strangely protective of DmC.
EDIT - Like ezekial up there.
Slamtastic
Member
MGR is nothing like DMC in any way except you have a sword.
This Platinum wanking from GAF needs to stop.
http://www.g4tv.com/videos/48689/dmc-devil-may-cry-announcement-trailer/
"Starting off on the wrong foot", might be putting it far too lightly. People carry around the baggage of this trailer to this day. The final game is nothing like that and completely worthy of the name of the franchise that it bears.
Yes, I agree. PG's games have been almost exclusively pure action games. They're staying within their comfort zone. I'd like to see then do something different, like an Action/RPG, open world game, or a horror title -- before proclaiming them as the perfect developers.
Because they haven't really done anything that was different from their previous works.
DmC being a great game has made this whole situation a lot more interesting and hilarious. It would have been boring if the haters were actually justified. I myself had serious doubts about NT and the direction of the series, so much so that I bitched about it like a child, but they sure proved me wrong.
Then you've avoided reading many, very detailed posts on the topic.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
I never said it was. Rising does have a much better combat system than DmC.
no. fuck YOU
BadAss2961
Member
Because they thought they could make more money catering to you.
dragonflys545
Member
For people like you.
yurinka
Member
Well, because of their technical decisions the game is only playable on 1 out of 3 platforms it was released on. That's worse than Skyrim, and the Skyrim disaster is unforgivable.
Kamiya isn't interested in Itsuno's leavings!
People have already mentioned several reasons. Besides the bad blood between both companies, Capcom just had different objectives for a rebooted DMC. Objectives that didn't make PG an ideal candidate despite its collective history in the genre.
People have already mentioned several reasons. Besides the bad blood between both companies, Capcom just had different objectives for a rebooted DMC. Objectives that didn't make PG an ideal candidate despite its collective history in the genre.
Man, I think you just smashed the hyperbole homerun out of the fucking park.
badcrumble
Member
Wasn't DMC4 sort of a reboot? Nero at least seemed to be a gesture in that direction.
Slamtastic
Member
I said D Capital M C.
Unless you think the combat is better than those games?
The combat in MGR is secondary to the cutting mechanic, but if slow motion is your thing...
They meant creatively stale. Not in terms of fatigue of business. Also, if they thought taking a gamble on DD was a better venture than DMC5, then that should say something about their confidence in proceeding with DMC.
What's that supposed to mean? I played all the same games you did.
Read any one of Dahbomb's posts on the game.
I am waiting for it to go on sale before buying it. I'm glad that it seems better than I would have thought. Also, MGR and Bayonetta 2 make this game's switch in development much easier to swallow.
The game seriously does drag at 30 fps though. Not that Platinum ever needs to make a DmC sequel but they have a pretty great understanding of the necessities of an action game that feels like it has action.
People have given good arguments as to why the combat is lacking compared to the old series since the demo, they have been ignored in favor of "you guys are mad because the hair isn't white" or" you don't like it because it's not Japanese" crap.
I am not seeing what is "amazing" about any of that. The gameplay was decent compared to NT earlier efforts but that's not saying a lot. Not too fond of mid fight cut scenes ( during many of the especially during the final boss battle which was in itself a joke) The Graphics were OK, at best, i don't really get where all the praise is coming from. The transforming limbo stuff, is decent enough but get's old once you've seen it a few times.
And again combat feels more like an evolution of Heavenly Sword than Devil May Cry. The game may not be "shit" but it's pretty far from "amazing" more in the realm of Mediocre. Maybe if it were a new IP it could be Judged on it's own merits, fact is it's not. It shares the name with an established series, and will be judged against earlier entries in that series. Comes with the territory.
I also think Platinum would much rather work on new IPs or build up their own IPs. I mean you don't leave Capcom so you can have greater independence, only to turn back and make a game for them.
I remember being annoyed by that at the time. In hindsight, its one of the best things to happen in the industry in the last 10 years.
catashtrophe
Member
They are eager coz capcom are garbage outside of handheld games, there only great console game was SF4 and Ninja Theory ended up making a better DMC than than that garbage game called DMC4
call_kotaku
Member
Because DMC4 didn't sell 5 million copies, it only sold a bit more than 2.
Again, did anyone (besides you I suppose) think that DMC was a tired franchise circling the drain til Capcom announced a reboot? It's a bit circular to say "Capcom rebooted it because it was stale, and it was stale because Capcom chose to reboot it".
Also, how much of a departure from DMC is the reboot anyways? Outside of completely clearing the lore and backstory, it's good for the same reasons and also bad for the same reasons as before, and most of the mechanics are still there. DmC is closer to the previous DMC games than RE4 is to the original RE games.
BadAss2961
Member
But we obviously have different priorities.
What is this even supposed to mean?
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
A million times this
I don't understand where anyone gets the idea that the game is graphically impressive.
Asset quality is at about the level of the first Gears of War game, or worse. The cutscenes are especially awful looking.
badcrumble
Member
Those objectives were dumb, btw. DMC needed its essential structure (i.e. strictly linear, chapter-based) rethought more than anything else. DmC moves a few inches in the right direction with the keys and the rewards for revisiting earlier chapters, though. DMC3/4/DmC's ability to selectively replay chapters hints at what they need to do, though, and that means breaking fully away from DMC1's Resident Evil-based adventure game structure. The linearity is easily the clunkiest thing about all of the games in the series.