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Why DMC3's Vergil is the Best Rival in Gaming (Also Free Copies of DMC4 PC)
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Shadow Ranger
Member
Nah mate. Ryu and Ken say hi.
But I sure do love Dante and Vergil, as well.
But I sure do love Dante and Vergil, as well.
NotSmartEnough
Member
DMC3 is one of my all-time best games. Bought them all on launch day, but never finished DMC2 or DMC4.
I found the final Vergil fight frustrating, he would spam helm-breakers as if he was jump-cancelling, IIRC. So satisfying when he was finally taken down. Liked the way he slashed Dante's glove which then appears at the start of DMC.
I found the final Vergil fight frustrating, he would spam helm-breakers as if he was jump-cancelling, IIRC. So satisfying when he was finally taken down. Liked the way he slashed Dante's glove which then appears at the start of DMC.
JediLink
Member
Probably to protect his secret wife and their son.
I'm guessing he wanted more power so that his son and the girl he had relations with didn't have to die like Eva did.
Oh I forgot to mention! Good OP! I feel like the Dante/Vergil dynamic and the Solid/Liquid relationship are tied for first for me. The former for all that crazy fighting and the latter for the ultimate "haha I gotcha" moment.
I like how in the first fight Vergil actually didn't know how to handle some of Dante's weirder moves like Sword Toss. In the second fight he still had trouble defending against it, but his new tactics with Beowulf focused on closing the distance so Dante couldn't shut him down so easily with it.
Zeyphersan
Banned
I'm pretty sure every single characteristic in the OP also counts for Red/Blue from Pokemon
Mufausa The 3rd
Member
No worries. Please take your time. Thanks for the response btw.
AgentLampshade
Member
All this DMC and Vergil love are making me so happy. I'm glad people recognise him as one of the best rivals out there. The core concept of simply being the opposite of Dante is so simple, yet it works so well. All of his battles reflect Dantes own growth with him beating you the first meeting, drawing the second and finally FINALLY going down the last time.
But even then he still isn't finished.
dancingphlower
Member
Easily the one of the best examples of how to do a rival fight in video games. And my personal favorite final boss of all time.
Freedom = $1.05
Banned
I've said it before, I'll say it again: Virgil is the shadow the hedgehog to dante's sonic.
Take that as you will.
Take that as you will.
Time to get hyped for DMC4 combat again.
I have never been able to get close to that. Now I need to train again to play as Vergil. 
This.
I don't know if I gave this the credit it deserves, quite honestly. It just further shows that Vergil is a better you, and always a step ahead. This is particularly important in a game where Dante is so ludicrously powerful in cutscenes.
I remember reading a DMC3 review where they said it was unbelievable that you are still felt outmatched by the final boss, despite Dante's ridiculous arsenal and moveset.
It's pretty close. Red/Blue is another example of a fantastic rivalry, in my opinion.
Not enough!
WinterDemons
Member
Nice giveaway! Never played a DmC game before.
Ultimate_Trainer
Member
Nice analysis! I like the whole Dante vs Vergil rival battles setups.
It certainly paved the way for future rivals in other series.
It certainly paved the way for future rivals in other series.
He's giving away DMC4 tho :V
Time to get hyped for DMC4 combat again.
I have never been able to get close to that. Now I need to train again to play as Vergil.
Xenoblade music and sexy combos. Beautiful
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
CrackPebbles
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Astral Dog
Member
lol, are you serious?
I never saw it that way.
It makes sense but i always asummed he was going to try killing
Nero, at least until the very end
Beelzeboss
Member
This DMC4 announcement has really made me realize how much I want DMC5.
I hope the special edition delivers. In the meantime I need to get back to my DMC3 HD play through.
I hope the special edition delivers. In the meantime I need to get back to my DMC3 HD play through.
Weltall Zero
Member
I agree wholeheartedly. Vergil is a big part of what makes DMC3 my favorite DMC. He's the coolest character in a world ruled by cool, yet he's also a well developed (for the genre) antihero/antivillain. Further, all three of his boss fights are simply amazing. The fact that they had the balls to make him the final boss rather than the usual huge abomination (meta-commented in-game!) is just icing on the cake.
Oldschoolgamer
The physical form of blasphemy
Nero getting that Jake Muller treatment.
silvermember
Banned
I like Vergil his moves are sweeter than Dante's.
That would give him deeper motivation than just wanting to attain power just cause :V
But then again, he's still pretty baller regardless of motivation.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
Devil May Cry 5 confirmed to focus on Vergil taking Nero to a birthday party.
Agreed. Few, if any, rivalies top Ramza vs. Delita.
Astral Dog
Member
It would be awesome, him chasing Spardas power to protect his family, then getting power hungry.
Unlike
Balder
But, yeah, there is no way they are going to do that
The Silver
Member
Vergil most definitly hit it and quit it, he's the type of guy who probably felt ashamed afterwards for giving in to weakness and having sex with a human woman.
Can Crusher
Banned
It's just because he looks cool and has a katana.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
Lets give props to makoto tsuchibayashi who has an amazing resume when it comes to designing bad ass characters...
Ps2 Shinobi
Dante
Vergil
Vanquish
Ps2 Shinobi
Dante
Vergil
Vanquish
It WOULD give him better motivation but they have to first do the following things:
*Show romantic involvement with Vergil and his beloved.
*Show that either she is in danger or Vergil is still greatly haunted by his past.
*Show that Vergil knows that he will be a father soon and show him specifically state that he needs power to protect.
Thing is that once you do this, Vergil can probably not be a villain anymore... he would be a good guy. He would have no reason to fight either Dante or Nero.
It's much easier to think of Vergil as a dead beat dad who turned his back on his family for his own ambition. Maybe his intentions at first were good but he has been addicted to power.
*Show romantic involvement with Vergil and his beloved.
*Show that either she is in danger or Vergil is still greatly haunted by his past.
*Show that Vergil knows that he will be a father soon and show him specifically state that he needs power to protect.
Thing is that once you do this, Vergil can probably not be a villain anymore... he would be a good guy. He would have no reason to fight either Dante or Nero.
It's much easier to think of Vergil as a dead beat dad who turned his back on his family for his own ambition. Maybe his intentions at first were good but he has been addicted to power.
FrontalMonk
Banned
Yes. I have never wanted to beat someone's ass as hard as I wanted to beat Delita's.
That's a lie, that honor goes to Algus. Fuck you, you fucking fuck.
Vergil has proper motivation. Isn't the implication that his lust for power is fueled by his desire to never feel helpless again after watching his mother killed before him? It's a defense mechanism where he handles the trauma very differently from Dante. Whereas Vergil embraces the demonic side of himself because he knows it can satisfy this overwhelming need, Dante suppresses it within himself because he hates all things demon, including that part of himself.
Of course, that would assume that Nero was the result of a "natural birth", and not perhaps the end result of a similar process that ended up giving Sanctus his Angelos.
But in any case, I just don't see the guy who supposedly loathed his own humanity just randomly give in to his carnal impulses like that.
Further fueling his lust for MORE POWER. I never considered the possibility that he loved this woman though. That would be very interesting.
'sup guys.
My man.