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Why Do Girl Gamers Get So Little Respect

Yep.
Online anonymity, etc.

Many gamers expect developers, other gamers to change with time, mature, evolve when many of the ones sustaining this hobby are the ones that need to mature and grow up and not necessarily in age. Many "male" gamers are really close minded with some of the basic concepts like "kiddy games"; ow we can expect them to behave well around female gamers or accept topics like homosexuality or religion in a well manner.

And this people grow up and become game developers, journalists, etc. so is a vicious circle that never ends. :p
 
anachronous_one said:
Really. Not that what that douche is saying/doing is OK, but seriously ... MUTE THE GUY.
It's not that easy. Muting someone is not the optimal solution to the problem, because you'd be missing out on anything that's not harassment... team chatter, etc. And from my experience, the harassment is quite pervasive. Unless you're planning on muting half your team and ignoring all your opponents, it's quite difficult to get rid of it.
 
fernoca said:
Yep.
Online anonymity, etc.

Many gamers expect developers, other gamers to change with time, mature, evolve when many of the ones sustaining this hobby are the ones that need to mature and grow up and not necessarily in age. Many "male" gamers are really close minded with some of the basic concepts like "kiddy games"; ow we can expect them to behave well around female gamers or accept topics like homosexuality or religion in a well manner.

And this people grow up and become game developers, journalists, etc. so is a vicious circle that never ends. :p

I don't know if they grow up to become game developers or journalists, but yeah this is the reason why you see this.
 
Casval said:
It's not that easy. Muting someone is not the optimal solution to the problem, because you'd be missing out on anything that's not harassment... team chatter, etc. And from my experience, the harassment is quite pervasive. Unless you're planning on muting half your team and ignoring all your opponents, it's quite difficult to get rid of it.

I don't think I've ever had anything useful come of team chat unless I was with friends. Especially in CoD.
 
Because it's hard to play games in the kitchen while you're making my meal?

I kid, I kid.

seriously, steak doesn't make itself

still kidding. If taken seriously, ban self
 
Casval said:
It's not that easy. Muting someone is not the optimal solution to the problem, because you'd be missing out on anything that's not harassment... team chatter, etc. And from my experience, the harassment is quite pervasive. Unless you're planning on muting half your team and ignoring all your opponents, it's quite difficult to get rid of it.


Any time I play online, I mute everyone. Just can't deal with the stupidity.
 
someguyinahat said:
Would a stealth action game be more appealing to women just because the main character was female?

I think the "character gender" approach to discussing women and gaming is a huge distraction and not at all the most important factor in explaining why women are or are not interested in games. The fundamental mechanics and goal structures are probably much more important, if I had to guess.

Oh, also: Why do girl ______ get so little respect?
 
I hate playing with randoms, and I'm a dude.

I check in, and within the first 30 seconds, I know if I'm going to go to private chat with friends or stay on the main channel. I'd say 9/10, I go private.

It's not really the problem of being male or female, in my opinion, it's that you're playing games with douchebags constantly whenever you're online.
 
fernoca said:
Yep.
Online anonymity, etc.
It's not just online anonymity though. That certainly helps, but it's also the strength in numbers aspect where people feel as though they have to act in a certain fashion so as to impress their group of friends. This also allows them to act immaturely/disrespectful/idiotic because this same group of friends who apparently needs to be impressed will also have their back if something goes wrong.

For instance, in real life, there are reasons other than self-respect that would preclude me from cat calling a girl in random situations. I might be afraid that she has a boyfriend with her that will rightfully beat my puny ass into the ground for being a douche. But what if I have my ten jackass friends with me? Suddenly, I'm not nearly as afraid of such potential ramifications.
 
soultron said:
I hate playing with randoms, and I'm a dude.

I check in, and within the first 30 seconds, I know if I'm going to go to private chat with friends or stay on the main channel. I'd say 9/10, I go private.

It's not really the problem of being male or female, in my opinion, it's that you're playing games with douchebags constantly whenever you're online.

I agree that douchebags abound online, but being female clearly makes it worse in many cases.
 
Raging Spaniard said:
Well I do happen to be a walrus, WHAT NOW.

On a serious note, one of the lesser brought up issues of having girl gamers be treated in this way is that it gives them really fucking annoying defense mechanisms.

Example, in my line of work I get to meet plenty of females who are into games, most of them are annoying as fuck because they're trying so hard to compensate and validate their nerd status that they become unbearable to be around, never mind the attention whoring.
indeed! This is a multi-dimentional beast we're tackling here. Women or "girls with cooties" have unfortunately carved this certain niche for themselves and it makes it hard to take them as serious. Some girls are very well versed in games (kagari), most are just trying to hard and it becomes annoying.

And as was pointed out, women like to use their sexuality to get their way. This happens in real life and gives women a bad name because not all women are like that. Unfortunately it really is like that.
 
Alucrid said:
I don't think I've ever had anything useful come of team chat unless I was with friends. Especially in CoD.
Depends what kind of game you play I guess. You can't do that in an RTS or any game where team cooperation is required at the most basic levels.
 
Ms. CERNADAS: Caryn Law actually told me she's working on a game with a girl character who's completely covered and she's a ninja.

taki.jpg
 
This is why I make my PSN fairly gender neutral and I only turn on my mic when talking to friends. People online are douche bags once they realize you're a girl and it mostly comes of as sad, desperate, and annoying.
 
Muslim veils in videogames with female characters it's the only way.

Also, Nintendo had the right idea just use voice chat that doesn't work or don't allow/have voice chat at all. They're really ahead of the times when it comes to stuff like online gaming.
 
anachronous_one said:
Really. Not that what that douche is saying/doing is OK, but seriously ... MUTE THE GUY.

It's insanely easy to mute people in Halo 3 too. Sounded like she wanted to hear it. If she was so offended she would mute or just leave. I think it may have been staged even. It's just too ridiculous, too over the top. That DJ Keemstar guy is like an XBL pranker, he does a lot of shit like that.
 
Alucrid said:
I don't think I've ever had anything useful come of team chat unless I was with friends. Especially in CoD.
You don't play enough DotA type games like HoN where team chat is vital.

P.S love the mspudding voice pack on HoN casval :P
 
Davidion said:
I'm sorry, but do male gamers get a lot of respect? LOL
Depends.
I mean, in general they don't get the harassment that sometimes female gamers get.

But, in some mother ways like racism, discrimination, cliches, homophobia.

It's a broad problem; if anything.
 
fernoca said:
Depends.
I mean, in general they don't get the harassment that sometimes female gamers get.

But, in some mother ways like racism, discrimination, cliches, homophobia.

It's a broad problem; if anything.
It is and this is mainly the guys fault. Unfortunately guys just jump at that. I personally notice it and try not to be all "hey look at me over these other guys". I see the way girls get treated and my best advice is just don't turn your mic on unless it's someone you know somewhat extensively from a message board or a real life friend. They whole thing of guys flexing when a hot chick walks by is also true on the internet. Like in real life, I try not to look like I'm mindlessly oogling a girl. I have more respect than that. Of course women are beautiful, but that is a thin veil for what often times is a shallow interior unfortunately.

The main point is how guys don't care and are mindless horndogs. There are girls like that but guys FAR outweigh that ratio.
 
It still is a man online so this is what you have to expect. But the real underlying issue is people being immature and on the internet, there's no image or anything to preserve + no direct consequences = you see the real level of immaturity in people.
 
You all are missing the big picture

Theres a new ninja game on the way!

No matter how old I get or how much crap they star in I will always think ninjas are cool
 
Davidion said:
I'm sorry, but do male gamers get a lot of respect? LOL

From non gamers, not at all.

The thread should specify. Are we talking about respect from society in general or respect from fellow gamers?

Girl gamers often don't get respect in teenage boy dominated games such as COD, but gamers in general don't get much respect from society in general. Especially females who do not play games and those over the age of 50 who do not play games.
 
HamPster PamPster said:
You all are missing the big picture

Theres a new ninja game on the way!

No matter how old I get or how much crap they star in I will always think ninjas are cool

they hide in the shadows dude you won't know a new ninja game is on the way until it's on store shelves staring at you
 
Ranger X said:
It still is a man online so this is what you have to expect. But the real underlying issue is people being immature and on the internet, there's no image or anything to preserve + no direct consequences = you see the real level of immaturity in people.
Yes and yes! You are on the internet behind the veil of a handle/avatar in a game. You have no fear. But you fear what would happen if a person found out your name and such and run you through the ground for being an immature prick. You strip the user if his anonimity and they become as nakedly aprehensive as deer caught in headlights. Sometimes I want to see how people act in reality as they can be super aggressive and disrespectful. Talking trash is an interner staple, but doing it tastefully and with fun/humor is often the latter road taken. Often times it;s the outspoken and sometimes racial idiots making voice chat online less appealing. Or annoying kids who have no respect and think because they got a kill it makes them your God.
 
Really depends on the platform and game I guess, I rarely see any girls getting harassed when I play TF2 or L4D on Steam. 99% of people seem treat them as they would anyone else.
 
kodt said:
From non gamers, not at all.

The thread should specify. Are we talking about respect from society in general or respect from fellow gamers?

Girl gamers often don't get respect in teenage boy dominated games such as COD, but gamers in general don't get much respect from society in general. Especially females who do not play games and those over the age of 50 who do not play games.

No one gets respect. If they win it's because all they do is sit there and play CoD all day or hack and cheat, if they lose they suck lololol.
 
Does anyone who plays Dudebro games get any respect? I mean, I don't respect them and they certainly don't seem to respect each other.
 
I don't personally disrespect them. I'm actually really keen on the idea of girls playing games and talking about games. The more the merrier, when it comes to the hobby.

I just wish I actually knew more girl gamers. As of now I know zero. Those who I can coax into playing games in social settings (i.e. my girlfriend) don't count.
 
AstroLad said:
Does anyone who plays Dudebro games get any respect? I mean, I don't respect them and they certainly don't seem to respect each other.
is the brofist not a sign of respect
 
yeah....some chick came to my place and kicked my ass in 2k11 and I've been playing 2k since dreamcast so I didn't think I was bad...read about it in the nba thread somewhere!

Anyway my perspective of female gamers being awful has changed.
 
Girls do have to fight for there *respect* quite a bit online. But I think a girl should know that and be prepared. Like my gf plays Halo, COD and TF2 pretty heavily. And she is fine, but when people give her shit, she grabs the mic, tells them to enjoy the night jerking off forever alone in there moms basement. That usually shuts them up.
 
I would distinguish between the behaviour of online players and the actual representation of gender/sex in video games. The former is basically "People online are idiots. News at eleven!", which isn't targeting females exclusively, while the latter is much more reprehensible in terms of discriminating women. A video game is a product of many, many creative minds, is aimed at expressing themselves publicly, and has been through many approvals before being a final product. And still, we end up with these extremely poorly represented female characters in most video games. I have no idea how this happens. Maybe the people being in creative and financial control in this industry are shallow meatheads, who have very primitive notions about gender / sex. That is much more damaging and in need of being addressed in terms of gender / sex, rather than the issue of how people behave on the Internet.
 
Online gaming is like any social gathering, where there are emotionally mature people and awkward, often creepy people who have no interaction with the opposite sex. Not to mention those who are just dickballs for the hell of it.

Add a slather of anonymity to it all and you get the result where women feel they can't really play online without being harassed for their gender. It's very real, but it's a situation where the vocal minority (awkward people, dickballs) drown out the normal players.

If you took a poll of, say, everyone that plays Black ops and asked them how they would react to a female on their team or on the opposite team, most wouldn't say they'd make sexual innuendo or try to pick the girl up. But when you get to a game where a female shows up, the people who think otherwise are the loudest in the game.

So as a result, women tend to hide their online identities if they just want to play in peace. They use voice modulators built in to the system software or simply don't talk because they want to play a game, not be a centerpiece of discussion.

But this also speaks to kind of a major problem with the gaming culture: it is defined as one or two types of people. You're either the bro gamer or the nerd gamer, both presumably white. If you're a different race, a different sexual orientation, a different gender, etc., you're expected to just roll with the harassment because you don't fit the majority mold.

My gamertag includes my name, Imran, and I can't tell you how many times in games (from Team Fortress 2 to Halo 3 to Street Fighter IV) someone has felt the need to make fun of that. Terrorism jokes aren't uncommon, one guy in SSFIV sent me a voice message afterward calling me "a Saddam ass motherfucker".

My girlfriend refuses to play in online games after being chastised for not playing well enough. When she responded with "I think that other guy is using an aimbot," she got laughed at for accusing the other team of cheating, peppered in with some "lol girl" comments. A few weeks later, the guy was banned from the server for using an aimbot.

I don't think things like these would have happened if the harassees were white males that fit the general mold of what we see as someone who plays video games.

Unfortunately, I doubt we'll get to that point for another ten to twenty years at least.
 
To clarify what I said earlier; gamers in general aren't exactly ranking as the cream of the crop in terms of social valuation in the first place. Those who aren't total assbats are, I think, already respectful of female gamers. As for the rest, should anyone, nevermind female video gamers, really care what they think?

In terms of frustration with the market, you're looking at typical market mentality in full effect. This is obviously a deeper problem that needs to be chipped away at, but I think you're looking at something that needs to be addressed more by the media and publishers themselves.

I'm not unsympathetic to the concern, I just think that looking at the issue from a wider social standpoint can offer some better perspectives. Forget the adolescent dudebros, lol.
 
"Why do teenage boys not show women appropriate levels of respect?" is another way of reading the thread title.

In response: Stop dealing with teenage boys. I've played with tons of female gamers. First of all, they're usually quite good - so it's a shame when they're repelled by immature idiots. Secondly, the ones I've played with tend to be pretty thick-skinned. They don't turn their gender into a podium of any sort; they just put those dumbasses on ignore and move on with their lives.
 
I remember Hell Chick. She used to write for PlanetQuake. Man, haven't heard anything about her in a long time.
 
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