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Why do music snobs hate the '00s?
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PigSpeakers
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BigJiantRobut said:
I have listened to that album so much. I don't even like anything else that they did, but if I had only heard that and all of the pop they play on the radio, I would consider this generation redeemed. But because I don't live under a rock, I'm well aware of the amazing things that have come out.
Poimandres
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jett said:
Your avatar disagrees.
tekumseh
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richiek said:
Not what I said at all. What I said was that the change in tabulating how the charts were made up shifted from an evenly weighted protocol to a significantly unbalanced one. Here are the top 10 from 1992, the first full year the soundscan protocol was put into place:
01. End Of The Road » Boyz II Men
02. Baby Got Back » Sir Mix A-lot
03. Jump » Kris Kross
04. Save The Best For Last » Vanessa Williams
05. Baby-Baby-Baby » TLC
06. Tears In Heaven » Eric Clapton
07. My Lovin' (You're Never Gonna Get It) » En Vogue
08. Under The Bridge » Red Hot Chili Peppers
09. All 4 Love » Color Me Badd
10. Just Another Day » Jon Secada
What do you see? R&B, Rap, Dance, & Soul in 8 spots, all of which you would classify as more urban genres, and two songs which are essentially adult contemporary (Clapton & RHCP)
Here, also is the top 10 from 1988:
01. Faith » George Michael
02. Need You Tonight » INXS
03. Got My Mind Set On You » George Harrison
04. Never Gonna Give You Up » Rick Astley
05. Sweet Child O' Mine » Guns N' Roses
06. So Emotional » Whitney Houston
07. Heaven Is A Place On Earth » Belinda Carlisle
08. Could've Been » Tiffany
09. Hands To Heaven » Breathe
10. Roll With It » Steve Winwood
Now what do you see? Pop, rock, adult contemporary, hard rock, soft rock, & dance.
Finally, here is the top 10 from 1980:
01. Bette Davis Eyes » Kim Carnes
02. Endless Love » Diana Ross & Lionel Richie
03. Lady » Kenny Rogers
04. (Just Like) Starting Over » John Lennon
05. Jessie's Girl » Rick Springfield
06. Celebration » Kool & The Gang
07. Kiss On My List » Daryl Hall & John Oates
08. I Love A Rainy Night » Eddie Rabbitt
09. 9 To 5 » Dolly Parton
10. Keep On Loving You » REO Speedwagon
This list is extremely eclectic; Pop, r&b, country, rock, adult contemporary, soul, & soft rock.
A much wider sampling of styles of music, and a broader reach across all parts of the population. Nothing like the charts of today reflect. Acts today cannot break regionally or, for the most part, locally since there is such an inequity in the way radio polling is counted today.
CoffeeJanitor
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I would say that the popular music of the 00's was pretty shitty, but there have been great releases in other genres.
MorisUkunRasik
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tekumseh said:
Fuck eclectic, most of it is shallow garbage anyway.
What does it matter that there is crap from various genres?
Oh you did NOT just badmouth the Black Keys, boy. Do you know anything about the blues? Because if you did, you would be able to recognize "Howl'n For You" in the same vein as "Smokestack Lightning". You see, you have your tastes, I have mine, but you don't seem to have any idea on how the objectives of music work, the structure, the flow, the complexity, the aesthetic. Heck, do you think music without complexity is new? Do you think there isn't any music with complexity today? Ever think you're just being a cynical asshole?subversus said:
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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I'm not much of a fan of the culture of the 00's generally. Granted, it's the only decade of which I have a complete memory, but as I look back on previous decades, it seems like there was a greater sense of cultural unity in the pre-internet era; rather than artists trying to create something great unto itself and with a certain universality to it, things are made now more to appease subcultures. I think what people are waiting for is another era like the late 1960's and 1970's, when great music and popular tastes align. Just pray that we don't get another 1980's, man.
The last half of the decade wasn't great, but there was a lot of good stuff from 2000-2005. Just a couple favorite albums from my collection:
Tool - Lateralus - 2001
Radiohead - In Rainbows - 2005
Muse - Absolution - 2003
Gorillaz - Demon Days - 2005
The White Stripes - Elephant - 2003
Modest Mouse - Good News for People Who Love Bad News - 2004
Tool - Lateralus - 2001
Radiohead - In Rainbows - 2005
Muse - Absolution - 2003
Gorillaz - Demon Days - 2005
The White Stripes - Elephant - 2003
Modest Mouse - Good News for People Who Love Bad News - 2004
See You Next Wednesday
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overcast said:
I actually laughed out loud when I read that.
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Surprising to learn that The Black Keys don't exist.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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I think the same complaints that people have regarding music in this thread could be applied to any number of aspects of cultural of the 2000's. It strikes me as odd, some of the films that I've seen acclaimed in the past decade, for example.
CoffeeJanitor
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Holy shit, In Rainbows was 2005? Could have sworn it was a 2007 album.
PigSpeakers
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Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
They could also be applied to nearly any generation of music, give or take a few words.
Poimandres
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CoffeeJanitor said:
It was 2007. Quite late in the year, actually.
evilromero
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I thought the 90s was worst honestly. At least the rock music is better this time around.
CurlySaysX
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because everything is auto tuned.
Wendel Clark
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You say Justin Bieber-I say Tupac
You say Lil Wayne-I say Outkast
You say Drake-I say Ice Cube
You say Soulja Boy-I say Eazy-E
You say Gucci Mane-I say Biggie
You say New school-i say shut the fuck up
You say Pop-I scream Hip Hop!
You say Hannah Montana-i fucking punch you in the face
92% of teenagers have turned to New school and Pop.If you are part of the 8% that still listen to real music,copy and paste this message to another video.
You say Lil Wayne-I say Outkast
You say Drake-I say Ice Cube
You say Soulja Boy-I say Eazy-E
You say Gucci Mane-I say Biggie
You say New school-i say shut the fuck up
You say Pop-I scream Hip Hop!
You say Hannah Montana-i fucking punch you in the face
92% of teenagers have turned to New school and Pop.If you are part of the 8% that still listen to real music,copy and paste this message to another video.
MrGame&Watch
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I read the 20s as the 1920s. We need to come up with better way to abbrev, the 2020s quick!viciouskillersquirrel said:
PastorOfMuppets
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My theories:
- The 90's were a very good decade for music. The decade started off with the Seattle grunge scene. Hip hop was going through a period of experimentation and the period from the late 80's to mid 90's is widely considered to be the Golden Age of Hip Hop. When the grunge scene fizzled out, the Southern California punk and ska scene just took it over and took us to the end of the decade. There was a good underground hard rock/stoner rock scene and a lot of genre mixing between rock and rap with bands like Rage Against the Machine and Faith No More. Later in the decade it morphed into Nu-metal and rap rock which admittedly was pretty shitty though and there was that period in the mid 90's when terrible bubblegum pop was tearing up the charts but all eras have shitty music. Just a real hard act to follow.
- The 2000's have no real defined music scene. There's no equivalent of So-Cal punk or Seattle grunge or East Coast rap scene like there was in the 90's.
- Technology and business overshadowed the music industry this decade. People no longer buy CD's in record stores or even buy music at all in a lot of cases. It's harder to tap into the cultural zeitgeist without sales data. Music is something that has become to a lot of people.
As for the actual music, I think we're fine. I just think how we listen to it has fundamentally changed and that's why a lot of people consider this to be a shitty decade for music.
- The 90's were a very good decade for music. The decade started off with the Seattle grunge scene. Hip hop was going through a period of experimentation and the period from the late 80's to mid 90's is widely considered to be the Golden Age of Hip Hop. When the grunge scene fizzled out, the Southern California punk and ska scene just took it over and took us to the end of the decade. There was a good underground hard rock/stoner rock scene and a lot of genre mixing between rock and rap with bands like Rage Against the Machine and Faith No More. Later in the decade it morphed into Nu-metal and rap rock which admittedly was pretty shitty though and there was that period in the mid 90's when terrible bubblegum pop was tearing up the charts but all eras have shitty music. Just a real hard act to follow.
- The 2000's have no real defined music scene. There's no equivalent of So-Cal punk or Seattle grunge or East Coast rap scene like there was in the 90's.
- Technology and business overshadowed the music industry this decade. People no longer buy CD's in record stores or even buy music at all in a lot of cases. It's harder to tap into the cultural zeitgeist without sales data. Music is something that has become to a lot of people.
As for the actual music, I think we're fine. I just think how we listen to it has fundamentally changed and that's why a lot of people consider this to be a shitty decade for music.
Most snobs are, wine snobs, gadget snobs and even game snobs.Persona7 said:
As far as the 00s go, heres my old man out of touch with bleeding edge trends run down. The 00s erased gansta rap from the map and made it underground, Hip-Pop is now the new thing in late 00s early 10s (? lol). In the 00s we also got rid of late 90s Rap-Rock (KORN, Limp Bizcuit) and replaced it with Scream-O (The Used, My Chemical Romance). Electronica a la Daft Punk picked up some steam but quickly went all Dubstep and lost its steam as soon as it had it. The only people listening to this kind of music are teenagers and lost 20 somethings looking for musical identity that isn't either rock, mainstream pop, country.
Additionally the 00s did way with real true R&B from the 90s. Gone are the singers like old Mariah, Babyface, Whitney or hell even Michael Bolton (who actually kicks ass). The 00s replaced this melodramatic greatness with the likes of cross bread R&B/Hip-Pop compilations... in short, dance tracks. R&B singers have been pushed to background vocals in upbeat tracks that unsuspecting teens can dance to at their 7th grade hip holding dance fests.
The 00s rid of us the terrible boy band graze of the late 90s as well. Britney Spears grew, peaked and fell off, and several 80s bands started their comeback tours. But the biggest thing that took center stage for me in the 00s was really ... mainstream Pop. Pop in the 00s very much reminds me of the 80s. Very talented super stars, giving proper focus, guidance and instruction from industry moguls. Shows like American Idol and X Factor pave the way and are a clear example of how pop culture today is in bed with mainstream pop.
What I am hoping for in the next decade of music is the return of soulful R&B singers. Black, white, brown or yellow ... bring the heart, the feeling and make the hair on the back of my neck stand up please. I want rock to return so goddamn bad, and not rock-pop.. but real grit, stage driven fire fests of pyrotechnics. Kids growing up need to experience what its like to go to a sold out 80,000 person Rock concert and feel humanity and music flow through their veins. Hip hop is fine as it is, in hip-pop but there should be room for old school style and flavor, that is missing today.
In the end, the 00s were probably an ok decade if you were a teenager but not that great for anyone else really. Older consumers long for more rich, more full musical experiences and most of what is out there today is over produced, over rehearsed and over targeted to certain audiences and often times you are left feeling disconnected from modern music but feeling obligated to associate with something thats current to not feel like a geezer. Most probably latch on to whatever their social circle of choice listens to.
I say forget that shit, listen to the oldies.. the goodies and be hopeful for the future. Rock on!
I Push Fat Kids said:
Simple as this.
Of course there is good to side the bad, fact is the memory of shit-stain sales-radio is fresh. The '00s were amazing when you found it. They made you find it, they gave you the availability and let the artist create it (whatever 'it' is). There's someone for every song and now that everyone has a platform, well we have this kind of discussion.
Stephen Thomas Erlewine does not rank as a snob btw
johnFkennedy
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It's because most POPULAR music post 2000 is thrash. Really fantastic music is being released every day, it's just that a majority of it isn't being played on the radio.
It could also be a generational thing. As people get older their music palette usually doesn't change much from what it was during their high school years, and as new genres sprout up that don't match up with what those people deem to be "good" music then they automatically deem it inferior to the music that they grew up with.
It could also be a generational thing. As people get older their music palette usually doesn't change much from what it was during their high school years, and as new genres sprout up that don't match up with what those people deem to be "good" music then they automatically deem it inferior to the music that they grew up with.
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MasterAJ22 said:
I like you and your post.
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johnFkennedy said:
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FortunateSon
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Honestly, I think its because music in the 00's were just more or less radio hits. Whatever that was played on the radio multiple times over was the hit!
Anything in the top 40, and everything sounds the same, nothing really differentiated one music to the other.
A lot of people are actually missing out on some really good music, artists; because their songs are not played on the radio or wasn't in top 40.
Music nowdays also lends itself a huge helping hand from the 90's because a lot of artist have covers from music back then and inspirations from the 90's.
80's and 90's does have the best music. Period. I don't think anyone can argue that. There was creativity.
Anything in the top 40, and everything sounds the same, nothing really differentiated one music to the other.
A lot of people are actually missing out on some really good music, artists; because their songs are not played on the radio or wasn't in top 40.
Music nowdays also lends itself a huge helping hand from the 90's because a lot of artist have covers from music back then and inspirations from the 90's.
80's and 90's does have the best music. Period. I don't think anyone can argue that. There was creativity.
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Hellcrow said:
this same comment has been repeated about 20 times and yet nobody has offered up any examples
Always-honest
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top 40 has been shit from the eighties on. Even before that.
Sure, plenty. Just not in the top 40 (well, give or take a handfull of exceptions)
Hellcrow said:
Sure, plenty. Just not in the top 40 (well, give or take a handfull of exceptions)
PigSpeakers
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brianjones said:
Music I have discovered solely because of the internet:
Look Mexico
This Town Needs Guns
VeltPunch
Owen
Someone Still Loves You Boris Yeltsin
And that's just music from this generation. I've even discovered a lot of older songs from using the internet.
Well, the 00's has been filled with incredible music. There's so much to love when it comes to this generation that it drives me bananas when I hear so many people bad mouth it. Now, if you're talking about Pop bill board music, sure it's horrible. Southern poppy rap has been infiltrating the billboards, and since most people never look deeper into music than their pop radio music station, well, they're destined to find some of the worst garbage to hit radio waves in the history of the planet Earth.
There's been great music every decade. There's never been a bad time for music. People just look in the wrong places, that's all.
And please stop posting Radio Head album covers like it's the best music in the world. They're mediocre, IMO.
There's been great music every decade. There's never been a bad time for music. People just look in the wrong places, that's all.
And please stop posting Radio Head album covers like it's the best music in the world. They're mediocre, IMO.
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Kid A? Not really, but i can understand if you don't like itSpacLock said:
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