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Why do women always say they're fat?
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Wait, everybody that goes to the gym is a bodybuilder that needs to take steroids to bulk up?
OMG, I've been doing it wrong all these years of just eating food and getting a fit body.
Is it an all-you-can eat sushi buffet dinner?
I have seen both: utterly beautiful woman and cute girls thinking that either they are fat or that there's nothing special about their looks, and fugly women thinking that they are the hottest shit on the planet. Same thing for guys too. Self-perception is a tricky thing, I guess.
Yeah, but extreme limits are very rare. If you're benching 225 for sets of five for example, you'd be way stronger than the average person and still almost certainly within your body's safe adaptive tolerance to stress. You'd also alomst certanly look better to most people (ie fit and athletic) than someone who can't squeeze out a rep at 135.
If you start using a lot of steroids then yeah, it can be hard on your body, but if you're doing it naturally (or frankly even with minimal steroid assistance) you're fine.
If on the other hand you're taking gram doses of testosterone and squatting 800 pounds, you're probably not doing your joints or organs any favours and any injuries could be pretty nasty. You also don't look 'good' to most people, you look like the hulk haha
>.> maybe....
Damn the thought of that just makes my cut suck even more. 9 more weeks, 9 more weeks...
Exactly. I think it's reasonable to say the majority of people, with proper persistence, diet and training, can put up a 225 bench, 315 squat and 405 deadlift, and be stronger than the vast amount of people out there. Nothin unhealthy about it.
Omegasquash
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Women are constantly told that they're fat through a combination of advertising and imagery portraying what "fit" and "sexy" are. Many of them do, legit, think they're fat. Some will fish for compliments, sure, but I don't think they're even a small portion of those that say it.
Zoe
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Serious lifters should understand that these kinds of things address the average person.
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If the person is healthy (wich the girl in the pic looks to be), there is absolutly no problem having some junk food once in a while.
And by healthy I mean not extremaly skinny or not extremaly fat.
If the person is happy with what they are, it is all that matters... you can want to be skinny, just know how ridiculously impossible it is the "media skinny" for some =P
Yeah I still disagree with the picture. It's not like she has one Oreo giving the finger. She had a huge supply of junk food implying "fuck you ill do what I want!"
Being skinny fat is a thing.
windowlurker
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Some of us just tend to overlook those flaws with our strengths
Evolution_1ne
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is fat?
Mr. Poolman
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Evolution_1ne
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Completely. I'm 6'3" and when I weighted 180 lbs I was way underweight and rail thin.
BobbyRobby
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it seems like there is a big push among women to make bigger more beautiful in the public eye. if this goal is even possible, the problem i have is that it promotes an unhealthy lifestyle, but would also make skinny girls feel like outsiders in the same way fat girls do now.
well said. i hate the implicit agreement that you're supposed to lie to a girl to comfort her.
well said. i hate the implicit agreement that you're supposed to lie to a girl to comfort her.
That's why you positively show a variety of body types. And it doesn't promote an unhealthy lifestyle anymore than the underweight models we see already. If anything, it'll promote a healthier lifestyle.
cyclonekruse
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I think there's a disconnect between what magazines show and what men (on average) actually find attractive. I honestly think men are much more forgiving than that. A woman doesn't need to be perfect to be hot; sharp knees aren't deal breakers for most guys.
Also I think we do a disservice to men (and women) to treat men as monolithic and desiring only waif thin models. That's one area where the porn industry actually might be ahead of the curve. Yes, there are a lot of small-waist, big-breast porn stars but there are niches for everything. Bubble butts, mature, BBW, etc.
Also I think we do a disservice to men (and women) to treat men as monolithic and desiring only waif thin models. That's one area where the porn industry actually might be ahead of the curve. Yes, there are a lot of small-waist, big-breast porn stars but there are niches for everything. Bubble butts, mature, BBW, etc.
In general, people (of all genders) are more forgiving than the media portrays. You'll always have some who have a hard-defined preference for this or that, but I'm sure 90% of people attracted to men would have no problem with the way my body looks.
(I'm still gonna get rid of the last 10 kilos, though. Whether it's rational to do so or not...)
cyclonekruse
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Exactly. Although I do get it on one level. There have been studies showing that men rate silhouettes as more attractive the smaller the waist-to-hip ratio is--even if it becomes so extreme that the ratio would never ever be found in nature. Our brains are sometimes easily exploited.
I don't think we should outlaw Photoshopping magazine photos but I do think we should make it so magazines have to explicitly state that they used some computer magic to alter things. Like maybe having a seal that says "This photo has not been digitally enhanced." It wouldn't prevent us from being fooled by makeup but it would at least help show us that some things are literally unachievable in reality.
sounds like you're hanging out with lots of fatties. step up your game, you just turned 1 year older, not much time left.
cyclonekruse
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Oh absolutely. I didn't mean to imply that women were more picky.
Grinchy
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god damn, the real ass is a perfect ass
I bet she even acts disgusted when she catches guys looking at it.
It's interesting that a lot of women blame the "medias" and the "beauty culture", because to me even in the medias it's still women doing this to themselves (or rather women doing this to other women). I'm pretty sure if you take a random edition of cosmo and a random edition of Maxim, the women in Maxim are going to have a good 5% more bodyfat on average. And I'm not even going to compare fashion shows and porn movies, where half the time it looks like the female actor weights more than the guy.
Obviously even women in these types of male medias are still very thin compared to the population average, but it's always seemed to me that the really exagerated weight stuff comes from beauty standards that are completely driven by women.
Obviously even women in these types of male medias are still very thin compared to the population average, but it's always seemed to me that the really exagerated weight stuff comes from beauty standards that are completely driven by women.
It can be oversimplifying -- if not wrong and unhelpful -- to say someone is fishing for compliments or looking for attention when asking, "Am I fat?"
The question can be shorthand for a much more complex question that, at its core, is asking, "Am I acceptable enough to others so that I'm allowed to accept myself?"
Because the brain is wired for comparison, we tend to break people into two groups. For body size, that means those groups are people thinner than you and people larger than you. There's a chance you think of anyone thinner than you as skinny, and anyone larger than you as fat -- regardless of where you truly fall in the spectrum. (And it doesn't have to be the whole body that's fatter or skinnier. It could just be one part, which becomes easy to focus on.)
Our perception of that spectrum gets even more skewed because (as is often stated) so many of the people we see in media appear so thin. So, even if you aren't among skinny people in person, you're faced with plenty of them, and your brain lumps them in with everyone else you see.
Your brain, being a total bastard, then gets you to tell yourself, "Well, you're not one of the skinny people, so..."
Repeated requests for reassurance may seem like overkill to the requestee, but compared to the constant daily reminders of "you're not as skinny as that person" that the requester receives from his/her own brain, it's nothing.
The question can be shorthand for a much more complex question that, at its core, is asking, "Am I acceptable enough to others so that I'm allowed to accept myself?"
Because the brain is wired for comparison, we tend to break people into two groups. For body size, that means those groups are people thinner than you and people larger than you. There's a chance you think of anyone thinner than you as skinny, and anyone larger than you as fat -- regardless of where you truly fall in the spectrum. (And it doesn't have to be the whole body that's fatter or skinnier. It could just be one part, which becomes easy to focus on.)
Our perception of that spectrum gets even more skewed because (as is often stated) so many of the people we see in media appear so thin. So, even if you aren't among skinny people in person, you're faced with plenty of them, and your brain lumps them in with everyone else you see.
Your brain, being a total bastard, then gets you to tell yourself, "Well, you're not one of the skinny people, so..."
Repeated requests for reassurance may seem like overkill to the requestee, but compared to the constant daily reminders of "you're not as skinny as that person" that the requester receives from his/her own brain, it's nothing.
Sapiens
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Also when this:
is considered a "plus size model" why wouldn't average women feel fat?
Dat FUPA.
That chart kind of scared me
I'm a dude. I'm 176cm tall and weigh 49 kg, am I going to die? lol
5'9 108 lbs?
I would consult with a medical professional and probably take steps to get you into a healthy range. You're very far into underweight BMI.
BobbyRobby
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seems like a lot of wasted time and effort at the end of the day. it's like trying to regulate an economic market, it doesn't really work that well. you can say 40 is the new 30, or that 150lbs is the new 120lbs, but at the end of the day society will probably suss out an ideal, and others will strive to emulate it.
people want to be able to compare bodies, or their mates' bodies, and say, "mine is better than yours." i think it largely takes place on a subconscious level. it's pathetic, but that seems to be how it is.
if the media wants to take a role in crafting ideal body types, it should be an athletic, skinny person. it's the body type that will provide the best net quality of life.
for practical purposes, if you cannot, or have no ambition, to obtain a desirable body type, you can always supplement your body with a good personality.
BankaiZaraki
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So according to that chart..I'm medium! 5'5 143lbs.
Zoe
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That's not how you read the chart. You look at your build which will give you a "normal" weight range.
jadedm17
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I always bated this bullshit. Men are represented the same are we just more tolerant to not care? Plus its always woman who are getting hit on constantly anyways, why is low self esteem such a hardwired thing? I had no father and I'm quieted effeminate because of it, but I don't harp on it.
The whole thing is crazy since beauty is subjective. I don't care for bigger girls but chances are if you weigh less than me (200lbs) and have a great attitude that ill find something attractive about you.
People need to stop worrying.
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