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[Astral Dog]

The female Psyche has many bad habits that people tend to overlook.

Not just that women bully each other.

Other bad habbits women have are:

• More racist than men: Some men might be willing to go futher in their racism by actually harming others physically but women on the whole are much more racist. The only reason it is not so obvious is because they are more covert about it probably because a women fears for her physical safety while a man thinks he can always protect himself. One of many examples is dating. Women are much more selective because of racial bias. Not just in the real world but also on dating websites.
  
• Women also Love playing favourites. Myself and a friend both have brothers and we both agree that women love to play favourites, its so frustrating. Ask anyone with a sibling and they will tell you that. Preferrablly a guy with brothers.

• They bring out the worst in guys. Because women sexually select men with douche bag (some call it alpha) qualities, this pushes more men to be that way.

rant over/

Jesus calm down dude

 

[i am number four]

I work in a department with 5 women, I'm the only guy. I'm pretty much the one who gets bullied :/

Not that I didn't know it before, but girls are mean.

Dude, look at my post that got several people rattled.

Your being bullied by them because Women consciously or even subconsciously pick favourites.

Im guessing your'e not tall dark and handsome otherwise those women would love your presence.

Become more Alpha bro and your situation will change. Spend a couple of months at the misc is all you need; remember - Eat Clen, Tren hard Anarva give up!

 

[Pau]

Not sexist. Look at my picture. Im sure you dont even know who that is.

Hahahahaha

 

[Astral Dog]

Dude, look at my post that got several people rattled.

Your being bullied by them because Women consciously or even subconsciously pick favourites.

Im guessing your'e not tall dark and handsome otherwise those women would love your presence.

Become more Alpha bro and your situation will change. Spend a couple of months at the misc is all you need; remember - Eat Clen, Tren hard Anarva give up!

Not every woman is mean with the 'weakest' men. And guys aren't always the nicest bunch either.

 

[Keri]

You know, I'll just add another anecdote that seems relevant: Although I'm an attorney, I work in the public sector. So, most of my coworkers are women who have specifically sought out work that is morally fulfilling and more conducive to family life (despite less pay). There are only a handful of men who work with us. Those men tend to be really competitive with each other. Specifically, a couple of years ago a younger man joined our ranks. He's really intelligent, well liked and very cooperative. The more he gained a reputation of being good at his job and well liked, the more the older men started to trash talk him, behind his back. My best guess is that they somehow started to feel threatened, because the women liked this other man so much.

So, this definitely isn't behavior that's specific to women. It's behavior that develops when it feels like you're competing with others, for limited admiration. It just doesn't happen in the reverse as much.

Also, for the record, the middle aged men I've worked with have been just as gossipy and catty as the women. Seriously.

 

[sdconvoy]

My one female manager was great! She treated everyone with respect, would make us buckle down and get stuff done if we needed, was chill the rest of the time, and we all respected her in return.

That being said, although my boss was male at my last job, pretty much everyone not in my department were women, and holy good Lord, it was bad. If you weren't part of their clique, you got shat on badly. Incredibly hostile environment that I'm glad I'm out of.

I guess I've seen it go both ways. Most women I know prefer to work with men, usually citing stuff like "there's less drama" or "shit gets done". I prefer to work in a mixed environment myself.

 

[Dusk Soldier]

Uh, girls in high school fight too. I never saw any myself, but I saw the aftermath of a couple and it was brutal. I'm talking pulled out hair and bloody hand-prints on the wall.

Woman are just as aggressive as men. Difference is woman are taught since birth to repress it while men are, if anything, taught to embrace it at times.

One thing I've noticed with men and women is the way they cheat in sports.

Female athletes are way more likely to assault their opponents when they think the officials aren't looking.

Whereas male athletes will think nothing about dropping the most vulgar insults when they think the officials aren't listening. (I think dead family members are pretty much the only thing off the table)

It's interesting because based on the way our society raises children, you'd think men would be the violent athletes and women would be the trash talkers. But it's generally the opposite.

 

[Kinitari]

You know, I'll just add another anecdote that seems relevant: Although I'm an attorney, I work in the public sector. So, most of my coworkers are women who have specifically sought out work that is morally fulfilling and more conducive to family life (despite less pay). There are only a handful of men who work with us. Those men tend to be really competitive with each other. Specifically, a couple of years ago a younger man joined our ranks. He's really intelligent, well liked and very cooperative. The more he gained a reputation of being good at his job and well liked, the more the older men started to trash talk him, behind his back. My best guess is that they somehow started to feel threatened, because the women liked this other man so much.

So, this definitely isn't behavior that's specific to women. It's behavior that develops when it feels like you're competing with others, for limited admiration. It just doesn't happen in the reverse as much.

Also, for the record, the middle aged men I've worked with have been just as gossipy and catty as the women. Seriously.

I think this really encapsulates what I've experienced. Regardless of gender, there are just some people who feel as though affection and attention potentials are limited and highly valuable, so if they feel as though there is someone who detracts from what they are receiving, it can get hairy.

I think with men, I've more personally experienced posturing, guys who try to assert dominance in gruff and aggressive ways.

 

[GodofWine]

Im a dude, in an office, and I noticed this for almost 20 years.

Even in personal circles, Ive observed, and told women, "you guys cannot maintain a friendship for more than 5 years without hating eachother and never speaking again".

But there is usually one true friend who this doesn't apply to, all the others, eventually get on your nerves and you fight / argue and thats it.

Men, from my experience as being one, will get in fights, but usually we can come to blows and beat eachother up, and a few minutes later will laugh about it and grab a beer..ladies, when you get into an argument, there is no coming back (usually, from what I've seen).

 

[Ogodei]

My hot take would be that these women internalize the patriarchy and suffer from a sort of imposter syndrome. They don't belong here because they're a woman. Their fellow women don't belong here because they're women, and then they turn the fear and anxiety from that internal, damning mantra on their fellow women.

One of those cases like anti-feminist women where women wholly-absorb the patriarchy and, consciously or not, reinforce it.

 

[RoseBell69]

My hot take would be that these women internalize the patriarchy and suffer from a sort of imposter syndrome. They don't belong here because they're a woman. Their fellow women don't belong here because they're women, and then they turn the fear and anxiety from that internal, damning mantra on their fellow women.

One of those cases like anti-feminist women where women wholly-absorb the patriarchy and, consciously or not, reinforce it.

I think that's a really good point you made there.

 

[excelsiorlef]

My hot take would be that these women internalize the patriarchy and suffer from a sort of imposter syndrome. They don't belong here because they're a woman. Their fellow women don't belong here because they're women, and then they turn the fear and anxiety from that internal, damning mantra on their fellow women.

One of those cases like anti-feminist women where women wholly-absorb the patriarchy and, consciously or not, reinforce it.

This is definitely a huge part of it

 

[Nowise10]

My hot take would be that these women internalize the patriarchy and suffer from a sort of imposter syndrome. They don't belong here because they're a woman. Their fellow women don't belong here because they're women, and then they turn the fear and anxiety from that internal, damning mantra on their fellow women.

One of those cases like anti-feminist women where women wholly-absorb the patriarchy and, consciously or not, reinforce it.

So if you truly do believe what you wrote, then wouldn't men bully and insult women in the workplace? And from examples in this thread, why does this still occur at jobs where women are the majority?

My perspective is you are just projecting your bias of a "patriarchy", which is clear to me when you say women who are don't support current feminism reinforce and absorb the patriarchy. And quite honestly I'm not sure what you even mean by that.

 

[SuperBowser]

To be fair, nurses in general seem to dislike doctors, and it's not without reasons, since there's plenty of representations of the stereotype of the too-important doctor who makes mistakes and refuses to listen to nurses, plus the fact that the nurses are the ones doing most of the work and getting shafted in the pay department.

That said if the problems still exist in a female-dominated field like the article suggests, then clearly the problem can't solely be ascribed to competition due to sexist attitudes. Seems entirely possible that it might just be differences in how men and women tend to clash and compete. I'm sure pretty much everyone has terrible male boss and coworker stories as well.

That's why I was specific it is female doctors that experience this. Ask 10 female and 10 male doctors about their experience of nursing staff in their first year of work. The women will describe feeling bullied and judged more.

I actually think a study into doctors' experiences with nursing staff would be a really interesting area of research in this topic.

 

[Renegade Frost]

An alternative explanation may be that in general humans like to get attention and obviously sexual attention is a major form of it. I'd imagine that in a workplace where the majority is the opposite sex the members of the minority group may start competing against each other, perhaps even subconsciously, for sexual attention.
It would explain why the more attractive women seem to be the biggest targets of the bullying.
We see the exact same thing with men putting each other down and "one-upping" in the presence of women - especially when there's only a few men and many women in the group.

Lmao you sound like a pundit from the late 18th century.

Stop

 

[Laiza]

Psychological difference between the sexes has been measured. There’s tons of science on it but the paradigm is that any observed differences between the sexes is sexist and detrimental.

This view is incredibly anti science and very rampant. I get the fear with stereotyping, but let’s not ignore the science.

Also you’re talking about equity not equality. Full equality is not possible anywhere. Everyone is different. The important thing is that there are no hindrances to attainment.

The problem is that these sex differences account for roughly 10-20% of the variance and things like socialization, parental engagement, one's peer group, and the particular influences of the time period all contribute far, FAR more to an individual's personality and temperament. The sex differences are there, but people often ascribe far too much importance to them, often to the point of overriding far more important factors that are actually more relevant to most situations people find themselves in.

The rest is just capitalism being shit for cooperation. It actively encourages anti-social behaviors as anti-social behaviors are actively rewarded with promotions and success. No surprises there.

The thing I find most annoying is when people use those differences to throw their hands into the air and just... give up. Give up, because people are destined to be a certain way. Give up, because biologically ingrained factors are too powerful to work against. So on and so forth. Obviously, these things are not true, but the fact that there are people who believe that crap gives me enough reason to push back against it, because it is also a factually incorrect and anti-science sentiment. We KNOW people can change. We KNOW cultures can change. That's why we should keep trying to push the needle in the right direction so everyone can live just a little bit more freely down the road.

 

[Renegade Frost]

Im a dude, in an office, and I noticed this for almost 20 years.

Even in personal circles, Ive observed, and told women, "you guys cannot maintain a friendship for more than 5 years without hating eachother and never speaking again".

But there is usually one true friend who this doesn't apply to, all the others, eventually get on your nerves and you fight / argue and thats it.

Men, from my experience as being one, will get in fights, but usually we can come to blows and beat eachother up, and a few minutes later will laugh about it and grab a beer..ladies, when you get into an argument, there is no coming back (usually, from what I've seen).

Its usually because women will say really really really shitty things to people.

 

[Zeus Molecules]

Funny my female boss use to bully me and my male coworker bit treated my female coworker's pretty decent unless they completely fucked up..... so I know female bosses can bully

 

[Renegade Frost]

The problem is that these sex differences account for roughly 10-20% of the variance and things like socialization, parental engagement, one's peer group, and the particular influences of the time period all contribute far, FAR more to an individual's personality and temperament. The sex differences are there, but people often ascribe far too much importance to them, often to the point of overriding far more important factors that are actually more relevant to most situations people find themselves in.

The rest is just capitalism being shit for cooperation. It actively encourages anti-social behaviors as anti-social behaviors are actively rewarded with promotions and success. No surprises there.

The thing I find most annoying is when people use those differences to throw their hands into the air and just... give up. Give up, because people are destined to be a certain way. Give up, because biologically ingrained factors are too powerful to work against. So on and so forth. Obviously, these things are not true, but the fact that there are people who believe that crap gives me enough reason to push back against it, because it is also a factually incorrect and anti-science sentiment. We KNOW people can change. We KNOW cultures can change. That's why we should keep trying to push the needle in the right direction so everyone can live just a little bit more freely down the road.

The thing is, after you've lived a way for a certain time, people develop fixed mind sets.

The thrust of it is to work in the other direction and practice growth mindsets, in a belief that with the proper formula, anything about an individual can change.

My hot take would be that these women internalize the patriarchy and suffer from a sort of imposter syndrome. They don't belong here because they're a woman. Their fellow women don't belong here because they're women, and then they turn the fear and anxiety from that internal, damning mantra on their fellow women.

One of those cases like anti-feminist women where women wholly-absorb the patriarchy and, consciously or not, reinforce it.

The patriarchy as its described in feminist critique is not something that is real though.

Gendered advantages created by society, yes, but the actual concept of the patriarchy is extremely clear-cut described as an organized conspiracy.

It's an extreme perspective in my view