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Why does Apple still have the best trackpad in notebooks?

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longdi

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Why do Windows notebooks not design their pads like a MBP?
macbook-pro-trackpad.jpg

Large surface area, no buttons to bump into, multi-touch works as it should.
I can work without a mouse on a MBP in office, but at home my own Dell notebook, have to connect a usb mouse. sheesh.
 
One of the things that sold me on the Macbook Air recently. The touchpad just destroys the PC laptop ones I've used.
 
I have no idea, but you are absolutely right. The touchpad was a huge part of why I bought a Macbook Pro instead of another brand of laptop.
 
Yep. One of the reasons I never buy PC notebooks anymore. I stick with the PC Desktop and Mac notebook combo. Mac notebooks are too solid. Works very well for me.
 
longdi said:
Why do Windows notebooks not design their pads like a MBP?
macbook-pro-trackpad.jp

Large surface area, no buttons to bump into, multi-touch works as it should.
I can work without a mouse on a MBP in office, but at home my own Dell notebook, have to connect a usb mouse. sheesh.

Because Apple will sue them, am amazed that they haven't even sued them for the shape of their trackpads.
 
Not only the best trackpad, but the best use of it with multi-touch gestures. Just got the MBA 2011 & until MS steps up on the software side, no Windows on laptops for me.
 
They are wonderful.

However I've not tried the 'high end' MacBook style Windows competition, I believe there are a couple of very specific laptops that ape them, and are quite costly.
 
I don't know much about macs, but I was at the apple store and tried using one. I wasn't able to tap to click which was a huge turn off for me. I know its one big button, but I prefer tapping to pressing.
 
Seda said:
I have to have buttons. I hate tap-to-click.

...it has a button. I hate tap-to-click too, I turn it off always. On the mac, the entire trackpad clicks, so I just press down in the bottom half with my thumb. Leave one finger on the trackpad and click = right click.

I don't think its the clicky part thats the killer, its the size. Other windows laptops try and do the 'two finger scroll' but the pad is so small its cramped and difficult to pull off.

A while ago I thought that OSX was the reason I keep buying macs. Then with windows 7 I thought 'hey this isn't so bad, maybe I don't need OSX'. Now I realise the trackpad is a big part of it too.
 
rogue_pigeon said:
I absolutely loath the trackpads in current Apple laptops. I'm hanging onto my 2008 MBP for dear life.

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Just pretend the button is still there. Works the same (I had a plastic MacBook for over four years...don't miss the button after using my unibody MBP).

Most non-Apple laptops have horrid trackpads but every once in a while I run across some that are actually pretty damn good. Not necessarily with multitouch or anything, but for just general mousing around they do good. Although it certainly is easier to label PC laptops based on the majority, which do have shitty ass trackpads.

edit: And tap to click is the spawn of satan.
 
EviLore said:
One of the things that sold me on the Macbook Air recently. The touchpad just destroys the PC laptop ones I've used.


same, got an air since christmas and I think I will buy another one once this one gets too old, it's the best thing ever.

On the other side, my Vaio's trackpad is the worst piece of shit ever. A 17 inch screen and the track pad is less than half the side of that of the Macbook Air. If you want to get anything done you have always to pump up speed of the trackpad up so you can move across the screen at all (and windows doesn't have an option to save the presets so I have to do it every fucking time). Argh, I hate it!
 
RevDM said:
I don't know much about macs, but I was at the apple store and tried using one. I wasn't able to tap to click which was a huge turn off for me. I know its one big button, but I prefer tapping to pressing.

It's an option :) Not enabled by default though.
 
Zoramon089 said:
No buttons to "bump into"... Do you lack the motor control to keep your hand one pad?

Most Windows trackpad have 3 buttons on top another 3 buttons below and the pad area is so cramp, cannot blame me man. Apple pad is great pad. The closest Windows pad is from Thinkpad W510 notebook, it can pick up my swipe much better than other notebooks, it "works" as it "should" and that is about it, stilll not as functional as MBP pad.
 
I've yet to see a decent trackpad in a PC laptop. Not kidding. I'm definately a PC guy, but I would never get a laptop that wasn't a macbook.

My gf bought a new HP laptop and the pad was hilariously bad. Like borderline unusable because of the buttons are too stiff for normal use. It's very small too.
 
thesoapster said:
Just pretend the button is still there. Works the same

Really doesn't. The current trackpad is far too stiff (oddly something that seems to be inherited from windows laptops - they always have overly stiff trackpad buttons), whereas I can just rest my thumb on the old track pad button and gently press (quietly) with much less pressure.
 
bytesized said:
same, got an air since christmas and I think I will buy another one once this one gets too old, it's the best thing ever.

On the other side, my Vaio's trackpad is the worst piece of shit ever. A 17 inch screen and the track pad is less than half the side of that of the Macbook Air. If you want to get anything done you have always to pump up speed of the trackpad up so you can move across the screen at all (and windows doesn't have an option to save the presets so I have to do it every fucking time). Argh, I hate it!

The Vaio Z has a track pad that is closest to the MBA (It has a fingerprint reader in the middle in case you are wondering what that white thing in the middle is)
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If you are talking about the computer itself the Z destroys every laptop on the market (But it carries a premium price)
 
I've gone full multitouch with Lion OSX

Plus selecting things by gently tapping rather than clicking is godly i actually cringe when i let other people use my Mac Pro and i can hear them clicking the trackpad.
 
Dabanton said:
I've gone full multitouch with Lion OSX

Plus selecting things by gently tapping rather than clicking is godly i actually cringe when i let other people use my Mac Pro and i can hear them clicking the trackpad.
I've tried to the tap to click, but I get too many false positives and went back to the default setting.
 
Dabanton said:
I've gone full multitouch with Lion OSX

Plus selecting things by gently tapping rather than clicking is godly i actually cringe when i let other people use my Mac Pro and i can hear them clicking the trackpad.
Yeah, I really don't like tap-to-click. I tried it when I first got my MBP, but I quickly went back to just clicking. The false positives are really annoying otherwise.
 
I love the trackpad on my MBP. It's one of the best features.

I had to set up a new Toshiba laptop for someone yesterday, and they designed the trackpad on it so it's seamless with the body of the machine itself, with very little tactile difference. It was so awful. My finger was constantly going off of it. That, and the scrolling "regions". Your finger goes into the region, and everything moves. So annoying.
 
1. Because Apple will probably sue
2. Because Apple's pads are designed to work with OSX and other pads are designed to work with any operating system that recognizes them
3. Apple spends a bit more on the pad itself.
 
rogue_pigeon said:
Really doesn't. The current trackpad is far too stiff (oddly something that seems to be inherited from windows laptops - they always have overly stiff trackpad buttons), whereas I can just rest my thumb on the old track pad button and gently press (quietly) with much less pressure.
My 2010 Mbp click was stiff as well. My 2011 one is perfect though. Maybe they fixed it or it might just vary on manufacturing.
 
entrement said:
Yep. One of the reasons I never buy PC notebooks anymore. I stick with the PC Desktop and Mac notebook combo.
This so very much is the way to roll.

Super-charged uber desktop PC and a Macbook Air to go.

Hope we get that Macbook Air Pro soon.
 
BladeoftheImmortal said:
I've heard Vaios were awesome at this...but I don't have the money for vaio.

but Vaios plasticky body sucks compared to MBP aluminium unibody...:( Apple outSonying Sony again!
 
Tracking is really nice but I hate the super-stiff button and find it craps out on some of the more complex gesture a lot of the time.

Also, being the best trackpad is a bit like winning the Special Olympics I suppose, even if it's the best available it's still the best in a category of universally garbage input devices.
 
I would assume they sue anybody who even thinks about having a similar trackpad.

I mouse everywhere.
 
I love the trackpad on my old dell xps, but I do agree that most notebook trackpads are shit. Apple's tend to be good, but only when the user disables clicking the trackpad. Tap to click and multitouch are wonderful on them, but clicking the trackpad is horrific.
 
I hate trackpads. I use a mouse.

It doesn't matter how good one can be. It can never be superior to a mouse and a small wireless mouse can fit in your case easily.
 
JGS said:
I would assume they sue anybody who even thinks about having a similar trackpad.

I mouse everywhere.
I'm not sure they patented the glass trackpad, but I do believe the gestural stuff is patented. So PC makers can build a similar trackpad, but the PC makers have eschewed high end hardware for notebooks. Sony is an outlier in this regard, but they're still made of plastic. Dell had Adamo, which was their MBP style PC notebook, but it was discontinued.


DeathNote said:
I hate trackpads. I use a mouse.

It doesn't matter how good one can be. It can never be superior to a mouse and a small wireless mouse can fit in your case easily.
I can understand, but you need a self contained input method for notebooks.
 
BladeoftheImmortal said:
I've heard Vaios were awesome at this...but I don't have the money for vaio.
Suddenly, I don't feel that bad for paying a lot more than I should have for a Vaio. And yeah, the trackpad is very good! I'm gonna buy a Macbook Air soon, though.
 
GTP_Daverytimes said:
The Vaio Z has a track pad that is closest to the MBA (It has a fingerprint reader in the middle in case you are wondering what that white thing in the middle is)
938cd39eoz4-420-100.jpg

If you are talking about the computer itself the Z destroys every laptop on the market (But it carries a premium price)


Heard very good things about the Z series. Mine is an AW series and, although I'm in general happy with it, the trackpad is completely useless. Nice to know they are making better ones now, but I am sure they are still not as good as apple's just because they have to deal with shitty windows.
 
Macbooks are overpriced, but goddamn if that trackpad doesn't make it all almost worth it. I love that thing.


entrement said:
I've tried to the tap to click, but I get too many false positives and went back to the default setting.
It takes getting used to. I can't use it in Ubuntu because I get a ridiculous number of false positives that screw everything over, but in OSX I've become used to it and now I manage to make tap-to-click work without any issues.
 
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