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Why does every Final Fantasy action game need weird mechanics?
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Chaos2Frozen
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Yeah, people always say that they want games to take risk, but seems to forget that it's called a risk because there's a chance it doesn't panned out.
Valkerionseven
Member
Yeah I'm not sure whats up with SE. I get they want to make it "familiar to RPG fans" but geeze just make the game feel good to play. They need to take the hint that bogging games down in mechanics does not make them deep.
kunonabi
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Which is funny since as a turn-based fan none of thier gimmicks make me want to play thier amateur hour action games.
Magic grenades are odd.
Read: completely stupid
I actually like the game but the magic is the worst part. It should be more direct and focused. Don't know how you liked those, keinning.
Sora the Cat
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I liked Crisis Core system. I remember having fun when I played it back then on PSP.
Except block only sorta worsts for a lot of attacks, but not all of them kinda and sometimes enemies have like multiple attacks and the first one blocks, but the second doesn't. But either way its really not clear which attacks can be blocked and which cant.
Innovation for innovation's sake, I guess. Spinoffs have more room for experimentation and less risk too. A bunch of these mainly handheld spinoff games from Japanese developers have weird mechanics and odd quirks.
Being straight-forward isn't why DoC is terrible.
Being straight-forward isn't why DoC is terrible.
Mr. Smiley
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I'm always down for Action RPGs that try to bring more RPG than action to the table, but yeah out of the ones I've played in FF, Dissidia's the only one I've thoroughly enjoyed.
Conversely, KH gameplay experimentations have, mostly, been a hit for me.
Conversely, KH gameplay experimentations have, mostly, been a hit for me.
Niceguydan8
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Wait a second, why are saying this when you used Crystal Chronicles as an example, which predates Dirge by 3 years?
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
None of the examples in your OP are particularly obtuse or complicated
I want a good modder to do that with the PC version of FFXV. I'll gladly pay another 60$ if it happens lol.
PshycoNinja
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You can also repeatedly press the buttons too if you so desired.
Well there is an action RPG.. its called the Last Story. Which was a weird game itself, combining cover mechanics (like shooters) with action RPG gameplay. It worked quite nicely, even with a bit of practice. Always saw it as the natural evolution of Final Fantasy.
As for Crystal Bearers... so much potential.
As for Crystal Bearers... so much potential.
I tried and it didn't feel good and accurate. It's clearly designed with holding the button for attack first and foremost in mind.
Because being as pretentious as possible in as many aspects as possible is pretty much Square Enix's trademark, and they think that by making roundabout, quirky systems they can avoid thinking up legitimately good game design.
Out of the ones you listed OP, the only one I can tolerate is Dissidia, but I still spend a lot of time playing it thinking this or that would be far better if it were like in other simpler games. I haven't played Dirge, though.
I think pretty much the only game by them that uses a similar approach and it's genuinely better for it is Kingdom Hearts and most games in its series.
Out of the ones you listed OP, the only one I can tolerate is Dissidia, but I still spend a lot of time playing it thinking this or that would be far better if it were like in other simpler games. I haven't played Dirge, though.
I think pretty much the only game by them that uses a similar approach and it's genuinely better for it is Kingdom Hearts and most games in its series.
I kind of wish Square would move the focus of their experiments to things that are less gameplay-centric than all these weird combat systems
Like
Put in costumes (regular sensible costumes, not Lightning's weird combination of avant garde catwalk and comiket wardrobe)
Or day/night cycles
Or a game that takes place in space (Phantasy Star is functionally dead, no one will claim you of biting their style anymore)
Or a pacifist combat option
Or vehicle combat (think more Xenogears, less Halo)
Just... quit making the combat so weird. Action games are about mechanical complexity, not weird abstract systems that make your head spin.
Like
Put in costumes (regular sensible costumes, not Lightning's weird combination of avant garde catwalk and comiket wardrobe)
Or day/night cycles
Or a game that takes place in space (Phantasy Star is functionally dead, no one will claim you of biting their style anymore)
Or a pacifist combat option
Or vehicle combat (think more Xenogears, less Halo)
Just... quit making the combat so weird. Action games are about mechanical complexity, not weird abstract systems that make your head spin.
Gotdatmoney
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I like Dissidia's combat. It actually is a plain action game. You just have one set of attacks for buffing damage and one set of attacks for doing damage. They easily could plop it into an action game fully with some modifications and have a super fun game in there.
Crystal Bearers would actually be a better game if it were part shooter. I found it weird but if you could combine the gravity and throwing with action shooting it would be so dope.
Crystal Bearers would actually be a better game if it were part shooter. I found it weird but if you could combine the gravity and throwing with action shooting it would be so dope.
texhnolyze
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..and yet people are celebrating the FFVIIR action hybrid system announcement.
Action in Final Fantasy never worked well.
Action in Final Fantasy never worked well.
SolicitorPirate
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Can't speak on anything other than Dissidia, since I haven't played them, but that game's Bravery/HP system is what makes the combat good. By only allowing characters to do health damage with the much slower and less safe HP attacks, it gives the devs freedom to do very creative and interesting things with bravery attacks.
Bravery attacks can be super fast, have confusing attack patterns or debuffs without becoming an unbalanced mess since you still ultimately have to use a slower and more straightforward HP attack to win a match.
It also creates a system allows for really exciting swings in momentum. In a traditional fighter, a huge HP gap can be insurmountable due to chip damage unless you pull off some crazy Daigo parry shit. In Dissidia, a player on barely any HP can still kill their opponent in one or two HP attacks if they can keep their Bravery high enough.
I do remember a fair amount of backlash back when it was revealed. But either way, I was sure the remake was going to be not so break when it was announced... Then news about it being a series of game and it having action gameplay came and I was convinced it's going to be pretty bad.
Kumomeme
Member
Well for me its called innovation
For some people it might be hit and miss for each entry,but it better than stay doing cliche stuff that already common
I applaud them for trying to always creating unique and creative system
It give fresh feels and uniqueness for each entry,make each game special despite how classic it become
For some people it might be hit and miss for each entry,but it better than stay doing cliche stuff that already common
I applaud them for trying to always creating unique and creative system
It give fresh feels and uniqueness for each entry,make each game special despite how classic it become