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Why does rap (generally speaking) get a pass for misogyny?
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Gotdatmoney
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I don't recall asking people for their opinion on it. But for w/e reasom every non rap fan wants to give it. Imagine that.
The Faceless Master
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in hindsight maybe. at the actual time of release? absolutely not.
Andrew Korenchkin
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Ha ha ha.
Jawbreaker
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I actually prefer the Ben Folds cover over the original because it's more melodic and catchy. Also, Ben is generally clean-shaven.
That's why I said that's something else entirely. Would I I think it's novel to find out that Bon iver likes some random rap song that I liked as a youth? Sure.
That's fine. It's ok to like bad things that suck. That's the whole point of this thread. Sometimes people like rap even when it's misogynistic. Sometimes also people like white dudes covering hip hop songs, I guess. You let the badness of white dude covers slide and you found something you liked.
do you also order chicken fingers at a chinese buffet?
The Faceless Master
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i think it means not criticized as much anymore relative to the default.
"When You're Accustomed to Privilege, Equality Feels Like Oppression"
Jawbreaker
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Sure, why not?
The Faceless Master
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should have said Red Lobster. at a buffet why would you NOT get some of everything?
That's what future orders when he goes to nobu.
i don't listen to rap but this sounds like a massive generalization to me
FriedConsole
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Rap was heavily criticized in the 90s for this stuff by right wing groups. Nobody wants to agree with them.
That's why he said generally.
cartographer
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I think in the context of music it doesn't get a pass. Outside of a few scenarios, lyrics don't get a lot of criticism. But when lyrics do get criticized, they are often from a rap song.
There's a lot of misogyny in rock's various forms, both now and historically, and I've rarely ever seen it called out. It's almost always hand-waved away. Same isn't really true for rap.
There's a lot of misogyny in rock's various forms, both now and historically, and I've rarely ever seen it called out. It's almost always hand-waved away. Same isn't really true for rap.
"Pop star" would describe a lot of hip-hop artists from all eras. Ridiculous to equate that to making lesser music
that doesn't make it correct, he's talking about an entire style of musical performance with zillions of niches and subgenres. you can't really generalize something like that accurately.
Generalization usually follows a sentence with the term "generally". People participating in this discussion have to understand how broad a genre hip hop and rap is. It is a disservice to the genre by insinuating that misogyny is a problem of the entire enterprise at large. Rap is a pure form of expression, and very much a reflection of the society in which it was birthed. Consumerism and self aggrandizment (and all the ugliness that comes along with that) is part and parcel of contemporary American sensibilities, so much of the popular sects of hip hop follow thusly.
MiniBossBattle
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Its a forum....
lol, I am glad people can handle other people's opinion.
The reason why the song works is because of the melody and lyricism of what NWA have made works on all genres.
Music is subjective.
Jawbreaker
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I mean, these generalizations happen for everything, unfortunately. Country music is all about hicks crying in their Cadillacs and drinking alcohol, metal is comprised of long-haired white dudes screaming satanic gibberish, emo is about cutting yourself, pop music features talentless, manufactured musicians, etc.
Stormhammer
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how can still listen to vic mensa when he cheated on his gf a bunch and choked her
exmachina64
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Sure, fans do, but mainstream society in the U.S. and Japan ridicule them.
It doesn't.
But if your question is "why is rap filled with misogyny still so popular", it's because most commercial fans don't care. As long as it's a club jam, no one cares about what the lyrics are because the only thing 90% of fans are going to remember is the hook. It's why people were so surprised by White Lines, a completely stupid and forgettable song identifiable only by it's hook and it's beat and filled with a bunch of lazy sexist bullshit to pad it out.
It goes the other way as well. I was at a Run the Jewels concert and they did Love Again, a song that is about playful, respectful, consensual sex, but has a vulgar hook. One woman only listened to the hook and went off on a 10 minute diatribe about how sexist rap music is, broke up with her boyfriend on the spot because "how dare you bring me to this" and disappeared into the street.
Of course! That shit is delicious!
What you should have asked is "do you get pizza at the chinese buffet?"
Indeed. Kidsbop is still at thing all these years later.
But if your question is "why is rap filled with misogyny still so popular", it's because most commercial fans don't care. As long as it's a club jam, no one cares about what the lyrics are because the only thing 90% of fans are going to remember is the hook. It's why people were so surprised by White Lines, a completely stupid and forgettable song identifiable only by it's hook and it's beat and filled with a bunch of lazy sexist bullshit to pad it out.
It goes the other way as well. I was at a Run the Jewels concert and they did Love Again, a song that is about playful, respectful, consensual sex, but has a vulgar hook. One woman only listened to the hook and went off on a 10 minute diatribe about how sexist rap music is, broke up with her boyfriend on the spot because "how dare you bring me to this" and disappeared into the street.
Of course! That shit is delicious!
What you should have asked is "do you get pizza at the chinese buffet?"
Indeed. Kidsbop is still at thing all these years later.
Andrew Korenchkin
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LOL. Reactionary much?
Wow, that's messed up.
Andrew Korenchkin
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Powdered Egg
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I'm not a fan w/the misogyny but it hardly gets a pass.
Thanks, Macklemom!
In my experience most people in high school and college will say "everything but country."
country music is the most popular genre in america going by several metrics
CopperPuppy
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Um... What? Did you not finish the song?
The whole point is that, in the last verse, she flips it around and sings about treating a man the same way Mike and El have been talking about treating women during the first half of the track. The point of the song is to lampoon misogyny in rap by flipping it on its head. Seems like you either willfully omitted this from your post or it flew straight over your head. The song's meaning is the opposite of what you suggest.
Yea. I didn't really realize that until much later in life. No one in high school or college said that they listened to it until Whiskeytown and Wilco got big.
EDIT: also I agree with "criticized." I think what I meant to say was amongst young people and even people on this board, country music seems to be the most hated on.
Andrew Korenchkin
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How weird....the twang? I don't know what the hell that means.
Should probably add "from millennial liberals?" to the thread title to ask a better question: why segments of the audience listening who would typically dislike misogynistic content and complain about it aren't as bothered as you'd expect.
Old social conservative white guys have been decrying rap as crap responsible for societal ills since it existed. That's not an interesting discussion.
Old social conservative white guys have been decrying rap as crap responsible for societal ills since it existed. That's not an interesting discussion.
Fine Ham Abounds
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But rap has been criticized pretty thoroughly for this since at least the early 90s
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