Vermillion
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Millions have died for hope. This isn't DBZ (where they still kill the villain).
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Why does the Batman not permanently cripple his enemies ?
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Didn't the last psychiatrist that tried to work on batman go crazy himself and become a super villain?
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
if it got that far it would end the exact same way. the people working for him would turn on him and join black mask or joker. he would begin to panic. the joker would want the fake out, and hed leave it to bruce to fix all his mistakes. except i think his family or supes would catch on to something being wrong much faster than the avengers.
Manmademan
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how many times did freeza come back again
This only works if Batman's no kill rule is not a deeply held conviction and he is happy rationalizing around it in order to find a loophole or a technicality e.g. I'm okay eating this apple pie and icecream for dessert because my otherwise restrictive diet allows fruit!
I'd suggest "no kill" means more than just that. Putting someone in a permanent coma or making them braindead are both effectively the same as actually killing someone even if they technically aren't. Making someone a paraplegic isn't quite on the same level, but I'd have to imagine anyone with a no kill policy would as least be troubled enough by it to not make it a proactive "strategy".
Besides which, part of the reason Batman doesn't kill is so his mostly mortal villains can return. Having the Joker turn up in a wheelchair with a colostomy bag and an attending nurse isn't going to make much of a compelling story.
Why isn't there an Unbreakable sequel 
Honestly I'm more susprised no other super hero/supervillain with more guts have killed the Joker already. He's n good for anyone, no even the bad guys. I agree with those who say that Batman and extended universe Batman are by nature different characters with different continuities. It ust makes no sense, like the Xmen on the Marvel side.
But the X-men do kill people, they had a whole team for just that reason.
Hell they killed Apocalypse.
I mean the Xmen being hated in a world with mutants everywhere, except they're not by birth or some stuff like that, weird. Not only that but they've been heroes for what, 40 years? I suppose they've already moved from the apartheid metaphors, but then the Xmen became another super powered group (Supported by great characters of course).
Mutants everywhere stopped being a thing a long time ago.
They long ago moved pass that shit, they are still hated by but only by true blue racists. For the last 15 years the X-men have been all about survival, making sure the mutant race carries on. Hell they left New York years ago for San Fran, but they couldn't afford the rent so they built their own island.
The movies are like 35 years behind the curve.
I see, cool damn movies hurry up, I feel they're going in circles. Thanks Slay.
Frecklestein
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Turn Cobblepot into Hobblepot
But the X-men do kill people, they had a whole team for just that reason.
Hell they killed Apocalypse.
Good god, man. Of all the UXM covers, you go with Liefeld? That had to be on purpose haha.
crimsondynamics
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It is actually pretty interesting. Xavier thought he was getting a child soldier to fight in his war. But he got a general that saved an entire race
Coriolanus
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Ahem
Shuri is Harvard to Baron Blood's Devry.
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
Alfred dammit who else!
Astral Dog
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Because the freaking Batman is not a sadist psycopath
……forgetit
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Someone needs to catch up on Miller Batman.
Also I remember him saying that if he crossed that line once he'd never go back. He wants to kill joker on so many occasions but he knows giving in May compromise who he is.
Reizo Ryuu
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I see people mentioning DKR as an example that he does, but it's actually explained that he simply hold back.
In his first year as batman, he throws a cop(swat) through a brick wall and hospitalises him, this was pretty much where he started holding back on his force even more.
You can also kinda see it in Arkham origins, being year 2, he's far more rough and ruthless than in later (timeline-wise) arkham games.
In his first year as batman, he throws a cop(swat) through a brick wall and hospitalises him, this was pretty much where he started holding back on his force even more.
You can also kinda see it in Arkham origins, being year 2, he's far more rough and ruthless than in later (timeline-wise) arkham games.
John Dunbar
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because it would result in the exact same thing the nonsensical "no killing" rule was made to avoid, losing all the villains.
Shuggananas
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joker escaped prison dozens of time and killed thousands of people ?
hmmm, better put him back in prison !
batman's a friggin idiot that's why
hmmm, better put him back in prison !
batman's a friggin idiot that's why
Dr. Black Jack
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Yup.
Stuff like this is why the only superhero I can stand is Deadpool.
Stuff like this is why the only superhero I can stand is Deadpool.
Chuckie
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Yeah and he doesn't do it very subtle either. Full on knee in the face, with a crunching sound.
And in Arkham Knight he drives around in a tank with 100 miles an hour crushing anything in it's path... but we are supposed to believe he only stuns them with electricity and they are all A-OK!
Poodlestrike
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This is a pretty good example of why.
Under all the, you know, violent vigilantism... Batman wants to help people. Crime is his enemy, not criminals. Reform is his ambition, not some totalitarian nightmare where his enemies are all dead or crippled.
Context matters though .
Telling a guy who's only crime ( i assume) is robbing a store to better his life instead to ruin it is one thing .
However , trying to do the same to Joker , Killer croc etc , etc to reform is an act of futility .
I know we are talking here about a comic series so i can fully use my suspension of disbelief at most fantastical things or improbable scenarios that happen in that comic's world , but i'm sorry but the idea that Batman puts these psychos back into prisons and asylums only for them to break out 5 minutes later and add more numbers to their 1000+ body count for some and the only response from batman is to just catch them again and put them back into the same prison and asylum instead of thinking that maybe " i should make sure he can't be a threat anymore , ever ! breaks my suspension of disbelief .
What breaks it even more is that somehow Gotham city , nay the whole country puts up with it continuously instead of shoving batman aside , strapping joker in the chair themselves and zap him and be done with it .
sixteen-bit
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Why doesn't Batman use his billions to fund school so kids don't turn to a life a crime instead of dressing up as a ninja and beating up criminals?
peanutbutterlatte
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I've got to be honest, I thought a mid-game spoiler would be they actually were manned and he'd been tricked into murdering people. But I don't see how a shock mitigates a collision at 120mph. You'd be a fine red electrified mist.
Mechanized
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But the X-men do kill people, they had a whole team for just that reason.
Hell they killed Apocalypse.
Psylocke's body is wtf. It doesn't make any sense. And the way she's holding that sword. How even?
Spring-Loaded
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He does that too. He just has to deal with current ciminals.
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It would solve the majority of problems. Batman doesn't care about fixing problems. He's a weenie who wants to beat up people. Total cunt.
ThankYouDaletech
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It makes it easier to write more comic books.
Like I said in my last post, there is no "Making sure that he isn't a threat anymore". Batman could literally throw him into the sun, Joker would walk right out of it.
That said, there is the question of the morality of the joker. I mean, how do you know it's futile? How would you know that at maybe this last point, something will finally get through to the Joker? If it would, how is it worth killing him? And how is Batman the one that has the right to make that judgement? Why not the city have him placed on death row?
That was kind of the whole point of the Killing Joke, and why it's considered the univerally greatest Joker story. While it is him at his most vile, in the torture and traumatization of Gordon, it's also him at his most human. Batman is trying to reach out and help him. It's possibly the closest Joker has to reforming, but turns away for the simple reason that he just...*can't*. And it isn;'t out of maliciousness or pride or anything like that, but nothing except a cripplingly low sense of self worth. He cannot get out of the mental framework that he is a monster, when there's no reason to think that's true. Batman is trying to humanize him, when he wants to follow the narrative that he is this evil monster and that's all he can be, when all he has to do is believe he is worth saving. That's the real tragedy of his character.
But yeah, it will never work unless the writers decide that Batman as a story has to end, atleast in the continuity they are working with. Otherwise, eventually, somewhere in the future, the next writer will just pick him up again because he is such a good story device.
Edit:: here is a good post explaining how villain recovery works from a topic just like this.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=87226372&postcount=63
Wolverine cut off Sabretooth's head in 2003. Took his magical, healing factor negating, meteorite metal katana in hand and lopped it right off. Put the mad dog down.
It's nearly 2014, and you know who's still killing innocent people and making Wolverine's life hell? Sabretooth.
Why? Because especially in comic books, you can't keep a good villain down. Lethal or non-lethal means, it doesn't matter. The implementation of and the fallout from might make for an interesting story or two for the hero, but capital or extreme forms of punishment are never going to stick with villains like Joker/Sabretooth/Green Goblin/Darkseid/Paste-Pot Pete because one, two, five, ten years down the road another writer is going to want to use that character in his story.
Mighty Chin
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Id love to see a story of The Joker on the run from a Hero or Villain that's had enough of his shit with the intention to kill him.
It'd end with the Hero/Villain not succeeding. Or rather, if he did succeed, Joker would recover from it. Like it always fucking does.
s_mirage
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Liefeld, that's all that needs to be said.
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