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Why drivers in China intentionally kill the pedestrians they hit

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Not all that surprising. If cars had, up until the last few years, been predominantly the posessions of the wealthy and major corporations in the U.S. like they have been in China I'm sure we'd have similar rules and along with them a similar response.

We as a species do not properly value integrity and ownership of one's failures. As a result we have an ingrained desire to evade those obligations and at a basic level others understand that perspective.

I would argue a large part of the problem is that global society mentally overwhelms us and as a result we wind up disassociating strangers from being independent entities of equal value to ourselves. It takes an overt act on the part of most humans now to try understanding the perspective of another person they do not have a personal relationship with.

Maybe we'll evolve beyond this, maybe we'll kill ourselves before then. Who knows how the coin will land.
 
I think this has less to do with car culture and money and more to do with individual lives mean nothing when the population of the country hits a billion. See also: Egregiously terrible behavior in India.
 
I held off from opening this thread for days as the title was just too absurd.

Thought what the hell, can't be too bad can it?

"Woman knocks over two year old girl" Well okay, as long as she survi-

"Then backs up over her head"

......China. Dafuq.....
 
I love how people think this is some type of special case where it only happens in China.

This situation is probably far more common than you think in many other situations. Just think of a home invasion, what if you injure someone who was "fleeing" with your weapon and now you're stuck in a court case, simple "solution" (and I use these words very mildly) is to kill them instead of letting them walk and become a huge liability.

Now obviously that's a completely separate situation from running over a kids head with a car, but the train of thought isn't all that unusual, it's just this is an extreme case of it.
 
Yet even when a driver hits a victim multiple times, it can be hard to prove intent and causation—at least to the satisfaction of China’s courts.
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It's pretty simple. If they hit them more than once it's murder.
 
brisk tacos said:
I think this has less to do with car culture and money and more to do with individual lives mean nothing when the population of the country hits a billion. See also: Egregiously terrible behavior in India.
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Rich/poor divide, too. None of the victims have rich and powerful family members.
 
TheLostBigBoss said:
I love how people think this is some type of special case where it only happens in China.

This situation is probably far more common than you think in many other situations. Just think of a home invasion, what if you injure someone who was "fleeing" with your weapon and now you're stuck in a court case, simple "solution" (and I use these words very mildly) is to kill them instead of letting them walk and become a huge liability.
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Nah, I can't think of any similar cases happened in my country. In which civilized country do you think could this happen in the way you describe?
 
Zoc said:
"Nearly all", really? I can't speak for China, but this assertion about Japan is absurd. Where on earth did you get this idea?
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Detectives in Japan are pretty loathe to investigate suspicious deaths unless they have a good chance of turning in a murder conviction, a lot of suspicious deaths do not even have an autopsy done on the body. The ones they are uncertain of finding a suspect on are generally classified as suicides. Here are a few articles to get you started:

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/nov/09/world/fg-autopsy9
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20...-suicide-statistics-dont-tell-the-real-story/

Nearly all sounds inaccurate, but it is an issue that has been brought up about Japan's murder statistics.


edit: there is also the issue with murder-suicides, sometimes those are classified as suicide only whereas in other countries they would be classified as murder as well.
 
Zoc said:
"Nearly all", really? I can't speak for China, but this assertion about Japan is absurd. Where on earth did you get this idea?
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http://articles.latimes.com/2007/nov/09/world/fg-autopsy9

TOKYO — Photos of the teenager's corpse show a deep cut on his right arm, horrific bruising on his neck and chest. His face is swollen and covered with cuts. A silhouette of violence runs from the corner of his left eye over the cheekbone to his jaw, and his legs are pocked with small burns the size of a lighted cigarette.

But police in Japan's Aichi prefecture saw something else when they looked at the body of Takashi Saito, a 17-year-old sumo wrestler who arrived at a hospital in June. The cause of death was "heart disease," police declared.

As is common in Japan, Aichi police reached their verdict on how Saito died without an autopsy. No need for a coroner, they said. No crime involved. Only 6.3% of the unnatural deaths in Aichi are investigated by a medical examiner, a minuscule rate even by nationwide standards in Japan, where an autopsy is performed in 11.2% of cases.
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PBalfredo said:
Why in the world would that be the case?
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Found an old article about it

The clip has revived the debate on whether bystanders should help accident victims.

The Chinese courts set a precedent in 2006 when a young adult trying to help an elderly woman who fell was sued for $6,076.

According to Bloomberg, two separate polls in China determined that the majority of bystanders would NOT help an accident victim.

Since then, the issue of whether or not bystanders should help victims has been under heated debate. And many victims have not received potentially life-saving help for fear of lawsuits.

The Global Times in China has highlighted a number of similar accidents where the victims received no assistance from bystanders. In one incident, the victim only received aid after saying "I fell down myself. You don't need to worry, it's nothing to do with you."
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http://www.businessinsider.com/two-year-old-hit-by-car-in-china-2011-10?IR=T
 
Kinyou said:
Found an old article about it



http://www.businessinsider.com/two-year-old-hit-by-car-in-china-2011-10?IR=T
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It's not an isolated case either, there are many cases where the innocence of the accused was maintained only after checking surveillance videos. A lot of these old people has no morals, themselves growing out of the cultural revolution.

I love my country but these are certainly embarrassing. I personally have never seen issues in driving or in the streets but ten again I have only lived in first tier cities. Shanghai is generally very safe for example :)
 
Kinyou said:
Found an old article about it



http://www.businessinsider.com/two-year-old-hit-by-car-in-china-2011-10?IR=T
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Another old one:

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/opinion/2011-08/26/content_13199786.htm

Without any surveillance video and witnesses, Xu was convicted and assigned 40 percent responsibility for the accident, even though the court never determined that he hit Wang. He was ordered to pay over 100,000 yuan ($15,632) in compensation to Wang, according to the original judgment handed down by a district court in June. Xu appealed the ruling, insisting he was innocent.
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mieumieu said:
It's not an isolated case either, there are many cases where the innocence of the accused was maintained only after checking surveillance videos. A lot of these old people has no morals, themselves growing out of the cultural revolution.

I love my country but these are certainly embarrassing. I personally have never seen issues in driving or in the streets but ten again I have only lived in first tier cities. Shanghai is generally very safe for example :)
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The cars arent really a problem but those e-bikes or small scooters are. While the drivers of cars generally drive like shit, it is still okay if you are careful. But those scooter drivers dont even have a licence, often dont use mirrors and act like they own the street. They dont care about red lights and drive whenever they want. Whenever I drive here with my car (Beijing) I am super careful about those.
 
Scooter drivers are the worst. Can't stand those ignorant fuckers "what's a traffic light and how does it work?"
 
My law professor used to joke that the most useful thing he'd ever teach us is that it'd be preferable to kill a guy in a crash since it'd be cheaper. I never knew some people actually did it though.
 
Byakuya769 said:
... what kind of piece of shit do you have to be to do something like that and then make an economic decision, "shit, it's going to cost me more if I don't kill them." -REVERSE-
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A horribly practical one.

Is it bad of me that I can imagine people doing this? It isn't even surprising.
 
SolicitorPirate said:
My law professor used to joke that the most useful thing he'd ever teach us is that it'd be preferable to kill a guy in a crash since it'd be cheaper. I never knew some people actually did it though.
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Is practically an advice the union/whateverthefuckis that represents the bus drivers here advice them.
 
That's kind of comforting to know, because if I was ever in China and this happened to someone, I would have very little qualms about killing the driver right there on the spot.

I can't even begin to explain how much this mortifies and angers me.
 
Haven't read the whole thread, but my father always told me decades ago "If you ever hit someone, better off killing them." So it's hardly a new thought.

As a lawyer he wasn't telling me to kill anyone, he was commenting on the bizarre state of the law. Dealt with a claim for a boat tour company that ran aground on a sand-bank and paralysed a VIP. The difference between what they had to pay to keep him alive vs the payout they would have made on death was roughly the difference between 20 million vs 1 million dollars, iirc.
 
Chairmanchuck said:
The cars arent really a problem but those e-bikes or small scooters are. While the drivers of cars generally drive like shit, it is still okay if you are careful. But those scooter drivers dont even have a licence, often dont use mirrors and act like they own the street. They dont care about red lights and drive whenever they want. Whenever I drive here with my car (Beijing) I am super careful about those.
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I drive my scooter like a madman. I own these streets. Hate all the drivers in cars taking up my precious open road.
 
WoodWERD said:
Damn you've been here what, a week? You sound so angry already haha.
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This is how Germans work. Everything is better than the place you're currently are. But seriously: Fuck 'em!
 
Believable.

On GAF a couple of years ago there was a topic with video footage of multiple cars hitting and running over a pedestrian and no one offering to help, passing by the dying body.
 
Byakuya769 said:
... what kind of piece of shit do you have to be to do something like that and then make an economic decision, "shit, it's going to cost me more if I don't kill them." -REVERSE-
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well you'd have to be a psycho i think. someone whose brain is incapable of producing feelings like empathy. many have some psychotic tendencies but i would bet if experts looked at the brain scans of these "hit-to-kill" people they would conclude "yep, 100% psychos". there's no fucking way you can be a mentally normal person if you can just casually murder children or the elderly.
 
Well as a Chinese myself I hear people say something like this all the time, but it's indeed an urban myth and I don't think anyone serious believe it's true, let along carry out this kinda of action when in this kind of situation.

for ordinary Chinese folk the moment you realise you hit someone with your vehicle you would fall into a panic mode, I don't believe anyone would capable to calculate potential economical loss during that time.

and for ordinary Chinese folk they would rather loss more money then have to live the guilty of killed someone.
 
http://m.snopes.com/chinese-drivers-kill-pedestrians/


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Unproven

It’s not uncommon for drivers involved in accidents, especially those in which they cause damage to other pedestrians or property, to panic and attempt to extricate their vehicles, thereby causing much more damage than the initial collisions did.

Read more at http://m.snopes.com/chinese-drivers-kill-pedestrians/#oGRdbT7J5jMiUexb.99
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The Slate article cited six instances of purportedly deliberate vehicular killings captured on video, at least two of which were apparently either misrepresented or unsupported by citation. As well, even the viewable videos didn’t demonstrably depict heartless drivers murdering pedestrians solely to avoid hefty legal damages: viewers could only discern that they chronicled incidents of drivers’ striking pedestrians multiple times during the same accident, for reasons that could only be assumed or guessed. And even if the incidents depicted were proven to represent what was claimed in the Slate article, they would constitute six examples taking place over roughly the span of a decade, or less than one per year in a country with a population of 1.4 billion people — hardly what one would categorize as a “common” phenomenon.

Read more at http://m.snopes.com/chinese-drivers-kill-pedestrians/#oGRdbT7J5jMiUexb.99
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Shame on you.
 
Given that 55% of China's population live in rural areas, and cars are probably a new commodity for them (countless people drive without licenses, surely), I don't think it's a stretch of the imagination that they're, what we call, fucking crazy.
 
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