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Why I Am a Male Feminist (article)

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I understand many say "pro-equality" just want whats right, but they need to understand that equality by itself doesn't immediately fix, or even acknowledge, the multitude of issues at hand.
Zionyx said:
The idea of "female privilege" is a joke.
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Falls right in line with "heterophobia"
 
I don't think the current set of family laws were set up by feminists. Judges (mostly male btw) who were deciding the first big waves of divorces in the 50's had a sexist viewpoint that the male should continue to do what he does best (provide for his family) and the woman continue what she does best (take care of the children). Because court cases in this country are won and lost based on the case law that already exists we are still feeling the effects of these decisions in a world that has left those traditions behind long ago. I recently went through a custody case and it really opened my eyes that if I weren't heavily favored as the more responsible adult compared to my estranged wife, it could've gone really really REALLY badly for me, rather than the outcome which was really fair to either side
 
DY_nasty said:
I understand many say "pro-equality" just want whats right, but they need to understand that equality by itself doesn't immediately fix, or even acknowledge, the multitude of issues at hand.
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That's very true but the early and aggressive days of feminism dealt with the most egregious offences. What is left now is a plethora of smaller gender imbalances (and attitudes towards the genders) that might not be best approached with the mindset of a 'Masculinist' or a 'Feminist'.
 
shanshan310 said:
Yeah, they taught that in Hapkido, for the men as well. I hear it can be quite effective.
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I'll always say invest in a taser. I remember sitting on a few self-defense classes in Phoenix and Charlotte and having to hold back my laughter multiple times. Some people who try that don't even hit hard enough to break skin and couldn't connect if their life depended on it.
SmokyDave said:
That's very true but the early and aggressive days of feminism dealt with the most egregious offences. What is left now is a plethora of smaller gender imbalances (and attitudes towards the genders) that might not be best approached with the mindset of a 'Masculinist' or a 'Feminist'.
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Feminism has a history though - and not all of it goes back to burning bras. There's a lot of misconception about it either way.... Not really envious of getting labeled right off the bat tbh.
 
DY_nasty said:
I'll always say invest in a taser. I remember sitting on a few self-defense classes in Phoenix and Charlotte and having to hold back my laughter multiple times. Some people who try that don't even hit hard enough to break skin and couldn't connect if their life depended on it.
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Lol, yeah. A lot of the techniques either require a lot of strength, or are needlessly fancy and more "carried down through generations of teachings" than practical.


I have no idea how I could get my hands on a taser though.
 
shanshan310[/QUOTE said:
Yeah, who cares about stuff like equal pay. pfft.
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In some fields, women are making more than men. And salary stats are useless unless you're comparing the sexes in a particular field, in a similar position. Unemployment is higher among men.

You can't cherry-pick instances of inequality, frame it in a manner that suggests they are the victims of social/institutional inequality, and not expect a counter-argument. When you paint women as victims, you are implicitly suggesting they have it worse than men. So yeah, no duh people are going to bring the plight of men into the discussion.
 
DY_nasty said:
I'll always say invest in a taser. I remember sitting on a few self-defense classes in Phoenix and Charlotte and having to hold back my laughter multiple times. Some people who try that don't even hit hard enough to break skin and couldn't connect if their life depended on it.

Feminism has a history though - and not all of it goes back to burning bras. There's a lot of misconception about it either way.... Not really envious of getting labeled right off the bat tbh.
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I prefer the key method that way I can use my three keys on be like wolverine

Cmon bub
 
I'll make a catch-all thread about men's issues later. That way, it doesn't get repeatedly brought up in threads like these.
 
nyong said:
In some fields, women are making more than men. And salary stats are useless unless you're comparing the sexes in a particular field, in a similar position. Unemployment is higher among men.

You can't cherry-pick instances of inequality, frame it in a manner that suggests they are the victims of social/institutional inequality, and not expect a counter-argument. When you paint women as victims, you are implicitly suggesting they have it worse than men. So yeah, no duh people are going to bring the plight of men into the discussion.
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And in the same breath, you can't just point at something like that and say "look! this disproves everything!" when there are a multitude of reasons as to why men in general are falling behind in colleges and seeing lower employment averages these days.
 
nyong said:
In some fields, women are making more than men. And salary stats are useless unless you're comparing the sexes in a particular field, in a similar position. Unemployment is higher among men.

You can't cherry-pick instances of inequality, frame it in a manner that suggests they are the victims of social/institutional inequality, and not expect a counter-argument. When you paint women as victims, you are implicitly suggesting they have it worse than men. So yeah, no duh people are going to bring the plight of men into the discussion.
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Because companies pay female workers less than they would male workers in the same position.
 
I like feminists, I don't like misandrists. That's about it. Feminism is equal rights for women I don't know why anyone would be against that. Radicals that think men are 1 argument away from becoming rapists are not the face of the movement and shouldn't be.

I wish radical feminists would acknowledge double standards and fucked up practices towards men though. If I can acknowledge the slut shaming, women not even being allowed to testify for contraception (most recently), being paid less etc. things like that then you have to acknowledge the bias against men when it comes to domestic court cases, marital disputes, children's visitation etc. and the nightmare of being falsely accused of rape which I've seen stories of before. It seems like courts automatically take the side of women all the time in these situations due to PC reasons rather than what's true or false.
 
I have a problem with militant feminists when they see emancipation as a one way road. Being a male has certain disadvantages in life too that needs to be adressed.
For example how boys are threatened by teachers in school vs. girls; male disposability in wars, catastrophes, dangerous jobs; males being more likely to fall victim to violent crime; males being supposed to be the single provider in a traditional family etc.
 
Copernicus said:
The writer of the article shouldn't have been so provocative with his enticing words, he's just asking for his article to be read.
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lol, come on guys. I actually considered to take screenshots to prove that I'm not crazy but I fear going through that much effort would make me look like I'm crazy.
 
WorriedCitizen said:
I have a problem with militant feminists when they see emancipation as a one way road. Being a male has certain disadvantages in life too that needs to be adressed.
For example how boys are threatened by teachers in school vs. girls; male disposability in wars, catastrophes, dangerous jobs; males being more likely to fall victim to violent crime; males being supposed to be the single provider in a traditional family etc.
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I have never met a feminist that have not considered the aforementioned things a problem (especially that of a males worth being linked to their ability to provide), where do you meet these highly inconsiderate women?
 
nyong said:
Yeah, who cares about stuff like equal pay. pfft.
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In some fields, women are making more than men. And salary stats are useless unless you're comparing the sexes in a particular field, in a similar position. Unemployment is higher among men.

You can't cherry-pick instances of inequality, frame it in a manner that suggests they are the victims of social/institutional inequality, and not expect a counter-argument. When you paint women as victims, you are implicitly suggesting they have it worse than men. So yeah, no duh people are going to bring the plight of men into the discussion.
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and neither can you.

I'm not saying men don't have it tough, but to say that they have it tougher than women is kind of silly - both sexes face problems in society. And it was you that started with the "oh the plight of men" thing, just in case you'd forgotten. There are a lot of problems that men face, but that doesn't make the problems faced by women any less legitimate. Trying to redirect the conversation to men is just thread derailment.

Go back to the article. Have you ever:
- Been in legitimate fear of being raped, or taken steps to prevent a situation which may put you in danger of rape?
- Been propositioned by strangers for paid sex? (this happened to me on an aeroplane, and it was the most fucking terrifying thing. 4 hours sitting next to this guy who kept hassling me).
- Had a whole conversation with someone where they stared at your chest?
- Been denied a chance at something because of you weren't physically strong enough, or the right gender.
- Had people shut you up by saying "women's opinions don't matter, go back to the kitchen". Most of the time its a joke, but its still incredibly grating.
- Had to think about your career as having to end at 35?
- been in fear of having children because there is an expectation from work and society that you will be house bound with them for several years?
- Been refused a job because you are married and/ or are about the right age for children (companies don't want to pay for maternity leave)?


As for the unemployment rates, I'll redirect you to this post:


Zionyx said:
I'll bite.

"Over-represented in the workplace" I'm running with the unemployment numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, you can find them here -> http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t01.htm
There's very, very little difference between men and women (in fact, for the most recently listed month, Jan 2012, they are the same). However:
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"Over-represented in the college classroom" yeah, you're right here (It's 54-46). But representation in the college classroom means shit unless you can translate that into an effective change in those statistics.

It's too late and I'm too tired to argue the final point, because it is such a disturbing pit of different state laws, statistics and interpretations of millions of different cases. Maybe tomorrow.

I disagree with your points. I think it's ignorant and naive to say there isn't a problem with patriarchy in our society. The idea of "female privilege" is a joke.
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And now the thread is about whose got the worst life. Women or Men? Seriously?

People should learn to meet each other in the middle instead of saying no you're wrong and I'm right.
 
Bossun said:
And now the thread is about whose got the worst life. Women or Men? Seriously?
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I think it happens because there is no formal 'Masculinist' movement whereby men can address their gender-specific grievances. Instead of creating such a movement we wait for a feminist discussion to spring up and then bitch and moan about the lack of our own movement. Useless, but kinda understandable.
 
SmokyDave said:
I think it happens because there is no formal 'Masculinist' movement whereby men can address their gender-specific grievances. Instead of creating such a movement we wait for a feminist discussion to spring up and then bitch and moan about the lack of our own movement. Useless, but kinda understandable.
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I was thinking that too. Not to say, if a masculinist thread were to be created it will probably have less credibility than this one seeing some reactions on this thread..

However the feminist movement fight for equality. And you can obtain equality only "with something" . In this case it would be men, so I don't really think it's off-topic to talk about the man status.

Though I still can't understand how someone (I don't know who) came to talk about "white man" and spurt utter garbage throughout the thread...
 
SmokyDave said:
I think it happens because there is no formal 'Masculinist' movement whereby men can address their gender-specific grievances. Instead of creating such a movement we wait for a feminist discussion to spring up and then bitch and moan about the lack of our own movement. Useless, but kinda understandable.
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I also get the sense that lots of guys might feel they are being subtlety accused of being a closet rapist.
 
I don't think anyone would make those kind of accusations on gaf, if such a thread were to be started.

Angry Fork said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrvDhSB7GHk

Ignore the stupid beginning/end uploader comments if you can.
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Disturbing, but the hosts of this women's entertainment show are hardly "militant feminists" for talking about cutting a man's penis off. They even begin to discuss that it is sexist that women can find this funny, when a reversal would not be funny at all. And guess what? The video cuts of that discussion. I guess because the uploader had an agenda we don't get to hear about it.
 
Bossun said:
I was thinking that too. Not to say, if a masculinist thread were to be created it will probably have less credibility than this one seeing some reactions on this thread..

However the feminist movement fight for equality. And you can obtain equality only "with something" . In this case it would be men, so I don't really think it's off-topic to talk about the man status.

Though I still can't understand how someone (I don't know who) came to talk about "white man" and spurt utter garbage throughout the thread...
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Yeah, it's not off-topic to talk about men, but it's in poor taste to leap immediately to male grievances. Makes it seem dismissive of the original article.

-ImaginaryInsider said:
I also get the sense that lots of guys might feel they are being subtlety accused of being a closet rapist.
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This too, especially if you've had bad experiences solely due to being a man.

Stet said:
Sorry, bud. Looks like it ain't gonna happen.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=465494
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I'm not surprised. The pendulum has to swing left or right, it can never settle in the middle. The time for masculinism is not just yet.
 
I don't know if it belongs here, but whenever there is any kind of photo or video that happens to have a woman present, someone has to comment on how much they would or wouldn't fuck her, even if they aren't even the focus of the video and just some random stranger in the background. "amber lamps" as just one example.

So damn creepy to me. No one cares mr random Internet virgin if you would like to do things with the girl on the third row who after three seconds of oogling is giving you butterflies and making you fall in love.

It's hard to argue against feminist who claim women are perceived as sexual objects by men after spending any time on the boy's club that is most of the internet.
 
Devolution said:
Can you people tell me where to find these extreme militant feminists that I always hear about on GAF, thanks.
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Television and other media.

If you hear the word "feminist," you know someone crazy is coming behind it.

Reason number one I don't necessarily like the word (despite being one for all intents and purposes).
 
WorriedCitizen said:
Don't kid yourself. That kind of feminism exists. This woman addresses it in a much more articulate way then i ever could:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp8tToFv-bA
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What a great video, everyone should take a look, though there were a couple of minor points I didn't agree with.

J-Rod said:
I don't know if it belongs here, but whenever there is any kind of photo or video that happens to have a woman present, someone has to comment on how much they would or wouldn't fuck her, even if they aren't even the focus of the video and just some random stranger in the background. "amber lamps" as just one example.

So damn creepy to me. No one cares mr random Internet virgin if you would like to do things with the girl on the third row who after three seconds of oogling is giving you butterflies and making you fall in love.

It's hard to argue against feminist who claim women are perceived as sexual objects by men after spending any time on the boy's club that is most of the internet.
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I completely agree, kinda weird. Especially when their fuckability determines the legitimacy of what they are saying, or how the situation should be viewed (see: respective threads on the "hot blonde teacher in her 20's" sleeping with a student, vs. "frumpy teacher in her 40's" sleeping with a student responses).
 
SmokyDave said:
I think it happens because there is no formal 'Masculinist' movement whereby men can address their gender-specific grievances. Instead of creating such a movement we wait for a feminist discussion to spring up and then bitch and moan about the lack of our own movement. Useless, but kinda understandable.
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See, this is the kind of thing where both in real life and online I have met responses that basically amounted to "are you actually suggesting in our patriarchy that men don't have pitch-perfect wonder lives? how dare you think that a man faces even one-thousandth of the struggle every woman faces every day?"

Admittedly it only happened a handful of times but it scared/annoyed me off of trying to reasonably discuss the subject.
 
I wish Feminists would stand up for me when I'm at a nightclub and a bunch of women are being let in but they're not letting me in.
 
shanshan310 said:
I completely agree, kinda weird. Especially when their fuckability determines the legitimacy of what they are saying, or how the situation should be viewed (see: respective threads on the "hot blonde teacher in her 20's" sleeping with a student, vs. "frumpy teacher in her 40's" sleeping with a student responses).
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Yeah because none of those responses in those teacher threads have even a hint of sarcasm in them right?
 
Zionyx said:
"Over-represented in the college classroom" yeah, you're right here (It's 54-46). But representation in the college classroom means shit unless you can translate that into an effective change in those statistics.
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Swedish statistics show that there is a 4% difference in salary that cannot be explained by factors other than "she is a woman, he is a man". It does not mean there is a 4 percent difference because of gender, just that they found no other explanation for the difference as of yet.

That's what representation in the college classroom gets you. Eventually.
 
SmokyDave said:
I think it happens because there is no formal 'Masculinist' movement whereby men can address their gender-specific grievances. Instead of creating such a movement we wait for a feminist discussion to spring up and then bitch and moan about the lack of our own movement. Useless, but kinda understandable.
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Time to show your pride
 
RawPower said:
Does this actually happen?
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Of course.

Club owners know that guys will shell out crazy amounts of cash to get into the club with THE HOTTEST GIRLS IN DA CITY. Let in all the (acceptable) girls in free, wait, then tell guys that the club is packed and how they'll let you in for more than double the original price. Exploit those sex objects like a boss.
 
You should have to argue for why you're not a feminist, not why you choose to be one. It's only natural to be one, no matter your sex.
 
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