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[Staccat0]

Because there are very few (if any) rational reasons to not donate your organs once you are dead.

First of all, so?
Second,
According the OP, there are rare occasions where people have their organs without complete evidence they are actually brain dead. He is afraid of that.
It's maybe not probable or likely, but few of us make every single life decision based on logic. In this instance, his (perhaps illogical) fear outweighs the mathematics.
I can't imagine wanting to upset so bad, that I'd give a shit what he does with his heart after he dies. Might as well browbeat the dude into donating all his money to feeding starving children after he dies.
Not all of us can be heroes.

BTW, people on the fence should check this out:
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/organ-donation/FL00077

The kicker with threads like these it leads to people spouting about how, "If I was in that situation, I'd take the pain and be happy knowing someone would live!"
C'mon man... we'll never know that's true.
It's like Paul F. Thompkins on the "I'd take a bullet for MY son!" speech.

 

[Pterion]

How many of you read the whole article? It's talking about how he system doesn't check if you're fully brain dead. Brain dead people don't have any brain waves, but apparently they stopped checking this in the 70s. When you're organs are up for sale, they'll be looking to harvest them instead of making sure you're dead. You might save a stranger, but it might cost you you're life if you're not actually fully brain dead. Have dying by having your body cut open and pulled apart :/

Did you read the thread?

 

[Mdeezy]

Im taking all my organs with me.Nuff said

 

[tokkun]

what are the chances of that happening? some guy here said what are the chances of something similar in the article happening to one of us.

There are multiple GAF members who have posted about receiving organ transplants from waiting lists.

 

[DigitalDevil]

a) youre bread dead

b) i think you can take a few minutes of pain (ON THE LOOOOOOOOOOOOOONGSHOT that you might even feel an ounce of it on some meaningful level) to possibly save another persons life

Assuming that it is possible for someone to retain their feeling during the process, this is a pretty asshat-tastic comment.

You're saying you would be cool with allowing someone to cut you open and remove internal organs without anesthesia, just because it might save a complete stranger's life?

I'm pretty sure, assuming you were in said situation, you wouldn't shed an eagle tear and resign yourself to it.

I'm pretty sure you would be screaming something (in your head) like "HEY! MOTHERFUCKER! I CAN FEEL THAT!"

 

[Loofy]

that is more than $2 million per body

Make it $2.01 million and give the money to the donors family. You'll see an increase in organ donors.

 

[RiZ III]

Did you read the thread?

Yes I did.

 

[Kinyou]

But what are you giving up when you check the donor box on your license? Your organs, of course—but much more. You're also giving up your right to informed consent.

So when I'm dead, doctors wont tell me what happens to my body? That is beyond shocking.

Assuming that it is possible for someone to retain their feeling during the process, this is a pretty asshat-tastic comment.

You're saying you would be cool with allowing someone to cut you open and remove internal organs without anesthesia, just because it might save a complete stranger's life?

I'm pretty sure, assuming you were in said situation, you wouldn't shed an eagle tear and resign yourself to it.

I'm pretty sure you would be screaming something (in your head) like "HEY! MOTHERFUCKER! I CAN FEEL THAT!"

I assume that when you're unable to move any part of your body you'll also wont feel anything happening to your body.

 

[DY_nasty]

You don't get money for organ donation... you do however probably get free medical attendance after the documents are signed. You also can select any individual you know who might need one of the organs before they put it into the donation pool.

I'm not looking for money for my organs - but since they're hardly being volunteered free of charge to the recipient, is there a way that my family members could be a part of the process? I'd just like to know that my guts aren't being churned out for a shitload of money without my family at least touching some of it. Also, I'd like them to have some input over where my organs would go.

Don't know if its even possible at all in any measure but... hell, I've never even thought of it before.

 

[aquavelva]

You guys who donate your organs are just selfish. Think about the worms, they gotta eat too!

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Remember this thread? http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=464604

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204603004577269910906351598.html

I won't copy the whole thing, but here's some fun bits:






If someone wants my organs, they'll have to make sure I'm really dead first. And hey, why shouldn't my family get some of that sweet, sweet money out of the deal?

Again, where are you getting this sweet sweet money? What money are you gaining by keeping your organs? If could respond instead of being like the 20 people in the other thread who ignored/danced around the subject. What monetary gain do you receive by keeping your organs?

You guys who donate your organs are just selfish. Think about the worms, they gotta eat too!

Because there's no longer a body to bury if it organs are used to transplant? Huh?

 

[way more]

The procedure sounds find I just don't like the idea of a unworthy person receiving my organs. For all I know m heart could end up saving a Texan.

 

[CornBurrito]

First of all, so?
Second,
According the OP, there are rare occasions where people have their organs without complete evidence they are actually brain dead. He is afraid of that.
It's maybe not probable or likely, but few of us make every single life decision based on logic. In this instance, his (perhaps illogical) fear outweighs the mathematics.

Cool. So what you are arguing is that irrational selfishness is fine, but calling someone out on it is wrong?

 

[DigitalDevil]

You guys who donate your organs are just selfish. Think about the worms, they gotta eat too!

Well done

 

[UltimaPooh]

I'm not looking for money for my organs - but since they're hardly being volunteered free of charge to the recipient, is there a way that my family members could be a part of the process? I'd just like to know that my guts aren't being churned out for a shitload of money without my family at least touching some of it. Also, I'd like them to have some input over where my organs would go.

Don't know if its even possible at all in any measure but... hell, I've never even thought of it before.

They don't have to pay your medical bills while you were in the hospital? They have the medical technology to do the procedures for organ donation. A regular family does not so the organization holds all the cards.

Yes the family is a part of the process as much as they can be like which organs they want donated and how they should be used like donation or research t.

 

[saunderez]

I'm more concerned that someone will find a way to stop my organs from being donated despite my wishes.

 

[speculawyer]

As a neurologist, this is simply spreading misinformation.

Brain death is death. Plain and simple. That's what people have a hard time understanding. We don't refer to them as in a coma, or a persistent vegetative state, or anything like that which would give even a remote possibility of reversibility. If there's even a sign of life, no matter how minimal and remote, we will not and should not declare them brain dead. he guidelines for brain death is to prove that there is no possibility of reversibility and the article is severely minimizing the testing.

But it still remains; brain death is death. There is circulatory arrest in the brain that is irreversible. The person is dead.

That is some nice well-informed commentary.

But to some degree, it is hard to take seriously looking at your avatar:

 

[CrankyKong]

Signed up for full organ donation years ago.
I figured if I'm willing to accept an organ from a stranger, I should be willing to offer mine if I get hit by a truck.

 

[Zzoram]

I'd want an EEG done to ensure I'm actually brain dead before they take my organs. That means I'm not signing any donor cards, just telling my family, so they have bargaining power to get the EEG when the time comes.

 

[Loofy]

Also, I'd like them to have some input over where my organs would go.

This sounds like it could get pretty cruel. You'll create a world where you have organ beggers and families auctioning off to the higest bid. Or discrimination where most likely old people will get the shaft since alot of people would rather save the youth.

 

[Seanspeed]

Fuck anyone that isn't an organ donor.

 

[Kinyou]

Because there's no longer a body to bury if it organs are used to transplant? Huh?

The organs are clearly the most delicious part.

 

[Vermillion]

I still have that fear that not enough will be done to save me. And I only have one life.

 

[DigitalDevil]

Fuck anyone that isn't an organ donor.

Whoa there cowboy, simmer down.

 

[Kinitari]

Hey, in due time we'll be making organs in labs, and this will be a moot point.

 

[rkn]

Donate my organs? Over my dead body.

 

[IAmtheFMan]

How many of you read the whole article? It's talking about how he system doesn't check if you're fully brain dead. Brain dead people don't have any brain waves, but apparently they stopped checking this in the 70s. When you're organs are up for sale, they'll be looking to harvest them instead of making sure you're dead. You might save a stranger, but it might cost you you're life if you're not actually fully brain dead. Have dying by having your body cut open and pulled apart :/

EEG is still used as an ancillary test, but is in and of itself is a very imprecise test. In fact the reason why it was taken out of the criteria was because it could be abused and have more false-positives where people did have viable brain in deep brain matter where the electrodes can't detec, or in the brain stem and the EEG showed electrographic silence. EEGs can also cause false negatives with artifact that may be throwing artifact that looks like brain activity that comes from surrounding equipment in the ICU where the test is administered.

That is some nice well-informed commentary.

But to some degree, it is hard to take seriously looking at your avatar:

Thanks. Yeah I think it's hard to have a serious discussion with that avatar... but I'm keepin' it.

 

[Pterion]

I'd want an EEG done to ensure I'm actually brain dead before they take my organs. That means I'm not signing any donor cards, just telling my family, so they have bargaining power to get the EEG when the time comes.

Those EEG waves still won't save anyone from a severely brain damaged state... Whether one thinks that's significantly better than death is up for debate. Some families do need an extra 2 weeks for their loved one in ICU before coming to grips that johhny is never coming back.

 

[iammeiam]

I'm just going to drop this here--Mayo Clinic's page on common Organ Donation myths.

 

[SteveWinwood]

Hey, in due time we'll be making organs in labs, and this will be a moot point.

That's further off than it is closer. A lot of lives could be lost before then if people adopted that attitude.

 

[KO Traveling Hobo]

a) youre bread dead

b) i think you can take a few minutes of pain (ON THE LOOOOOOOOOOOOOONGSHOT that you might even feel an ounce of it on some meaningful level) to possibly save another persons life

You're not really "bread dead" if you can still feel and there's still activity in your brain.

I was just pointing out a part of the article that he(and others) seem to have not read. I'm not sure what my opinion on this is, yet.

I consider non organ donors bad people. Anyone that selfish can fuck off.

lol. Just lol.

 

[Stet]

Gee, you mean someone who wrote a book decrying organ donation has strong and basal opinions about brain death?

Maybe instead of reading a cursory summation of the tests by someone with an agenda, you should do some research because, as is usually the case, it's a lot more complicated than it's been presented.

http://ccn.aacnjournals.org/content/24/5/50.full

 

[DY_nasty]

They don't have to pay your medical bills while you were in the hospital? They have the medical technology to do the procedures for organ donation. A regular family does not so the organization holds all the cards.

Yes the family is a part of the process as much as they can be like which organs they want donated and how they should be used like donation or research t.

I'm far from knowledgeable on this entire process. I just know that I've been an organ donor since I was 18 because I felt that everything would be handled and 'work itself out' but if it was an option to those wishes into health insurance... I don't know. I'm clueless on the matter. I'll look into it later because I'm not even entirely sure what all I'm asking either.

I'd like to know for certain the extent of my family's influence over where my organs would go. Also, how much anyone stands to profit through the whole process.

This sounds like it could get pretty cruel. You'll create a world where you have organ beggers and families auctioning off to the higest bid. Or discrimination where most likely old people will get the shaft since alot of people would rather save the youth.

It could end up being some over the top "f grandad", bidding war stuff... But they're mine - so I'd like to at least point them in the right direction as I go.

 

[endresults]

If you fail the CRT (hot/cold water in ear) along with the others, you're done. You're not getting better, and you really are a warm cadaver. You're just taking up manpower and driving the hospital bill higher, not to mention the stress you're putting on your family.

I don't understand the resistance to organ donation going on in here. It goes beyond simple selfishness, since you can be selfish without depriving anybody of something. It's a disgusting way of thinking.

 

[Seanspeed]

Whoa there cowboy, simmer down.

Its selfish shit. And greedy by what the OP is going at. I'm constantly disgusted by humanity and this just further reinforces it.

 

[UltimaPooh]

I'd like to know for certain the extent of my family's influence over where my organs would go. Also, how much anyone stands to profit through the whole process.

Profit? Someone gets to live? That's about it since it's a donation to an organization who don't really profit over anything. Their employees get paid that's about it.

They also have control over whether or not your eyes (if they end up being donated) stay in the United States or not. All major organ donation stays in the US only I believe.

 

[mugwhump]

I was fooling around when I did mine, and now my Universal Health Card says I'm officially a butt-donor.

I don't want my butt to be harvested while I'm still alive D:

 

[xbhaskarx]

Thanks for the "info" but I'll stay an organ donor. It is amusing to read the ridiculous justifications people have for not being donors, though...

We're all dying, bro.

You are already dead?

 

[CornBurrito]

lol. Just lol.

Can you explain how it isn't selfish?

 

[saunderez]

I don't want my butt to be harvested while I'm still alive D:

You've got 2 cheeks stop being selfish! Donate one of them to someone with severe butt cancer or something.

 

[beast786]

Worked in SICU for a while. Declared many times.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...JXq7lC&sig=AHIEtbSDI1GcKUihbl78neGwn0G6KEcj3w

Pretty much the same protocol on the link above ^. Also, participated in during donation extraction surgeries.

I can give tons of stories of lives saving by donors.

I recall one night we had a S/P of MVA with two victims. A mother and her 10 month baby child. The infant was send to children hospital, while the mother was under our care. Just minute upon arrival i had her declared dead. During that time we received a call from children hospital that infant had an irreversible liver injury. Kept the mother alive, got the transplant team to extract the liver from the mother and helicopter it to the children hospital. Where the infant was saved.

In general the transplant list has criterias. Ie if you need liver transplant they take your age, quality of life etc when they make a list. Its not just first come and serve.

If my organs can help someone , I am all for it.

 

[DigitalDevil]

Its selfish shit. And greedy by what the OP is going at. I'm constantly disgusted by humanity and this just further reinforces it.

There is nothing selfish about wanting to stay alive. Implicating that physicians are potentially miss-identifying patients as brain dead is scary stuff. I don't want to get in a bad car accident and miss out on the chance to see my son graduate high school because my license says "yes".

 

[KO Traveling Hobo]

To the people who look down on non-donors: if you needed an organ transplant, would you be willing to make someone suffer through being dissected without anesthesia to get it? If so, why do you deserve that?

 

[DY_nasty]

Profit? Someone gets to live? That's about it since it's a donation to an organization who don't really profit over anything. Their employees get paid that's about it.

They also have control over whether or not your eyes (if they end up being donated) stay in the United States or not. All major organ donation stays in the US only I believe.

When I say profit, I'm talking about beyond the donation procedure. If my organs are being donated and some company or organization is making some sort of unreasonable or unethical gain from it, then I'd like to at least know that my family wasn't a bystander in the entire process.

 

[Dresden]

If I die, I hope my somewhat healthy organs will help someone in need.

 

[UltimaPooh]

There is nothing selfish about wanting to stay alive. Implicating that physicians are potentially miss-identifying patients as brain dead is scary stuff. I don't want to get in a bad car accident and miss out on the chance to see my son graduate high school because my license says "yes".

You're missing the point... you are already brain dead or at least declared as such. You're going to die anyways. Your family has already been told that you are dead and they can either donate the organs or just let you lie there... but the hospital bill will just keep going up.

You want your family to pay that bill? Leave them with that on the off chance you make a recovery?

 

[UltimaPooh]

When I say profit, I'm talking about beyond the donation procedure. If my organs are being donated and some company or organization is making some sort of unreasonable or unethical gain from it, then I'd like to at least know that my family wasn't a bystander in the entire process.

Organs only go to recipients I believe. The only thing on my father's list that was given to research was samples of his tissue.

 

[akira28]

That's it. Unchecking the box.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

To the people who look down on non-donors: if you needed an organ transplant, would you be willing to make someone suffer through being dissected without anesthesia to get it? If so, why do you deserve that?

You're joking right? You can't be this dense.

 

[beast786]

To the people who look down on non-donors: if you needed an organ transplant, would you be willing to make someone suffer through being dissected without anesthesia to get it? If so, why do you deserve that?

What the hell are you talking about?