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MMaRsu said:
Why? If it's their favorite FPS why does it matter to you and who are you to judge them?
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Why is Call of Duty so popular? ( seriously )
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Why? If it's their favorite FPS why does it matter to you and who are you to judge them?
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
If we're talking skill curve, competitiveness and just overall level of depth, CoD 4 and on would be like Connect Four to Halo's Chess.
Whereas Halo has teamwork, team-shooting, situational awareness planning ahead CoD is always just whoever sees who first. I always judge a game by it's highest level of play, Pro Starcraft is deep, Pro Halo is deep, Pro CoD looks like me and my friends playing.
Whereas Halo has teamwork, team-shooting, situational awareness planning ahead CoD is always just whoever sees who first. I always judge a game by it's highest level of play, Pro Starcraft is deep, Pro Halo is deep, Pro CoD looks like me and my friends playing.
Prophet Steve
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Well, the reason why I think this is bad taste, is because I think the people who play it are very easily manipulated. Which doesn't give me a good impression of them.MyFaceIsOnFire said:
But if you want to know what I think are games for people with good taste: Everything from Valve, Amnesia, Batman: Arkham Asylum, Dead Space, Mirrors Edge.
EDIT: Ooh, I like the post above me.
Rahxephon91
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Because its equal to saying that Avatar is the best movie ever when you barley watch movies.MyFaceIsOnFire said:
This is really turning into something it's not. Apparently if you don't like CoD you are some elitist gamer. Fucking ridiculousness.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
When it comes to my opinions i am my own authority. If i find someone elses taste in something questionable thats my right to have. im not belittling anyone. i dont go into CoD or CSI or "whatever else i dont like" threads just to piss on their parade. You need to get a thicker fucking skin if someone disagreeing with you riles you up.H_Prestige said:
Competitive Halo has devolved just as much as CoD has. CoD 1 (United Offensive especially) and Halo CE are great games with a lot of depth and skill for Pro play, but subsequent releases in both series have been dumbed down ever since. Putting Pro Starcraft near "Pro" Halo is a joke.LAUGHTREY said:
Rahxephon91 said:
Get real. There's no harm calling CoD as a game "casual" or whatever is your slander of choice, but people in this thread are saying the people who choose to play that game, are somehow stupid and "less gamers".
Avatar is a shit movie yes. But the people who say it's the best in the world, aren't stupid. They are casual movie viewers.
H_Prestige
Banned
water_wendi said:
Sorry to break it to you, but when you go up to someone and tell them their taste is questionable, liken them to uneducated red necks, or whatever other analogies you were using, you are belittling them and placing yourself on a higher intelectual level. Keep that crap to yourself. The best game is the game you have the most fun with and that's all there is to it.
I don't even care about COD. I just can't stand "hardcore" gamers and their complete lack of social skills. You play dudebro shooter A and a lot more people like dudebro shooter B. Big deal. If that riles you up, then YOU are the one needs to get thicker skin.
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7VAhzPcZ-szoukka said:
That is what's wrong with games today.
Booshka said:
Halo 2 and on took a different direction, for one thing CE was mostly 2v2 since 4v4 required split screen. It was also more individualistic, if you watch some videos of Halo 1 tournaments it's almost silent, vs Halo 2 and 3 where there is constant communication about enemy positions and such.
Halo DID evolve, it may be 'hur dur same gaem' but at least it's broken down and rebuilt every iteration, Black Ops is literally the same engine as CoD4 with reskinned weapons and newsame maps.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Thats not belittling someone. i didnt call anyone a moron or stupid or a redneck. i said that if someone raved about it i would find their opinions questionable. The reason i would find their opinions questionable is our points of view would be light years apart.H_Prestige said:
Normally i do. This isnt the CoD thread. This is the Why is CoD so Popular thread. Criticism of the game is going to take place here. im not going to post in a OT thread because i wouldnt want people to shit in my party. That doesnt mean im going to be silent or censor my thoughts if a question is asked.
Rahxephon91
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Casual isn't a slander. If it is to you, then get thicker skin. The game is casual, just like Halo, GTA, Rock Band, WoW, and Mario. Whatever, at least to me it isn't.zoukka said:
And no one said anything about being stupid. Narrow minded dosent mean you are stupid. It means you just have one viewpoint and lets be real here, CoD attracts a very casual audience. One that only probably picks up this or Madden. Them saying it's the best game ever is a bit narrow minded.
Sorry, maybe there a few trying to subtle(or not so subtly) say that those who like Call of Duty are stupid, but it's not everyone and countering their arguments with the same tactic is just as bad. There's hardly any real argument on the other side on how CoD isn't what it's being called. Mostly it's "oh it's just fun you guys are too busy having a stick up your ass to see it'. Sorry that doesn't cut it.
chriskun
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LAUGHTREY said:
Didn't Halo 3 use the same engine as Halo 2 for multiplayer, modified somewhat?? yeah, you really shouldnt be bringing up those examples to shit on the cod franchise, everything you said applies to Halo as well. If you want to talk about gameplay then thats a different story.
Prophet Steve
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I agree with pretty much everything you say, I don´t think I want to ask about your tag.Rahxephon91 said:
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@Chriskun
I think he meant gameplay-wise.
Rahxephon91 said:
I recommend reading the thread and the numerous posts that list things that are done right in this series. No matter how much you want to put it's success on top of "hurr durr casual narrow minded people buying it because it's about goooons and shit", you still can't avoid the fact, that the game has great gameplay. You know, the shit that games are made from?
PjotrStroganov
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Kittonwy said:
We need Monkey Assistant!!!
This thread is hilarious, looks like some people get chest cramps at the mere thought of someone liking CoD over more refined video games. Some of the sociological analysis and reasoning used to avoid the obvious is just fantastic, and the outright refusal to accept the truth about why CoD is so popular is amazing.
Prophet Steve
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It´s not a fact.zoukka said:
Games are not made from only gameplay.
The fact that the game has things that attract lots of players doesn´t mean its good. I think there are a lot of examples for this (Avatar, again).
Shake Appeal
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I didn't realize GAF was so anti-CoD.
I'm enjoying it.
I'm enjoying it.
Prophet Steve said:
On many levels actually. One could argue that the high framerate is good. Responsive controls. Players from all ages and skill levels are able to play. It has been proven addictive and rewarding also.
I don't like CoD games. I'd never pay money to get one. But they are great games.
Maybe if you added IMO to every post you make, you might feel less confused.
I don't understand how people can consider COD to be hardcore. It realy isn't. Its fast, but not quake or UT fast where it would be difficult to play. Guns have no kick like you would see in CS, AA, BF games or even shadowrun. COD is casual.
Nothing hardcore about people get a few kills while camping behind garbage cans and then letting the AI drones rack up kills for them with all the crap you can spam. That was what MW2 amounted to since maps had no choke points and the game gave you a ton of retarded setups that you could use to abuse camping.
Nothing hardcore about people get a few kills while camping behind garbage cans and then letting the AI drones rack up kills for them with all the crap you can spam. That was what MW2 amounted to since maps had no choke points and the game gave you a ton of retarded setups that you could use to abuse camping.
DevilWillcry
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Marketing baby, marketing. You can make people want to buy shit wrapped in tinfoil if you market it right.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Christ, gamers have a short memory. It was, what, 4 years ago that Halo was the very definition of a casual game for casual gamers? Now people are holding it as some sort of standard for the hardcore FPS gamer? :lol
And yes, when you call something "casual" or you're "questioning somebody's taste" you are being insulting. Stop playing stupid.
And yes, when you call something "casual" or you're "questioning somebody's taste" you are being insulting. Stop playing stupid.
Rahxephon91
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I've been with the thread from the begging. Yes there are a few solid arguments on both side, but that is not the majority of the thread. A lot of the thread is "lol CoD" and "lol nerds". Unfortunately, those who put up against solid arguments against CoD mostly get the "get off your high horse" card.zoukka said:
And also the other side likes to just throw out random assumptions. Where did I say anything like
it's about goooons and shit", you still can't avoid the fact,
Nowhere.
I said the game is casual. I also said it's success comes from it's more casual mechanics. That's not really arguable. It's been the reason why WoW, Halo, and even the damn Wii are popular. I'm also not saying this is a universally bad thing. What I am saying is that for me CoD's way of doing it is off putting. Fine, it works for you and others. Not for me and I gave my reasons for that. I have no problem with casual friendly games. I like Halo, I don't pretend that it's the deepest thing out there, nor do I even care about that. I'm not someone who cares about the pro scene or anything. The thing is that Halo has enough depth that I can get into my own groove with the mechanics, which is something I look for in games. With CoD, I simply don't find that. Do I think those who like CoD are stupid and below me? No, I don't even think about CoD outside of GAF or when a friend talks about it.
Now for the fact that the game has "great gameplay". That is arguable and not a fact. I mean aren't we all about opinions not being fact around here?
How? Casual just means they play far fewer games and don't perhaps get into all the dirt. How is that offensive. I'm a casual book reader. Should I be offended when someone calls me that because I only read 1 or 2 books a year? Or how about I'm just a casual cook? Should I be offended because I don't dive deep into real cooking and am happy just making soup? Or how about just being a casual movie goer? I'm sorry I'm not offended when someone says "Rahxephon91 you don't watch a lot of movies like I do".WanderingWind said:
Well, the COD schtick is wearing thin for a lot of people at this point, but at its peak, MW1/MW2:
- Did "intense" better than literally anything else... ever. It's hard to remember what gaming was like when COD4 was released, but the game really was a landmark. That first mission with the boat, when it begins to sink at the end, you're scrambling up the decks, pipes bursting, Price shouting in your ear, enemies shooting at you... nothing like that had ever been successfully pulled off, before. It conveyed the intensity of battle better than anything that had come before.
And COD does it mission after mission.
As I mentioned, that schtick is wearing thin at this point as other devs have caught up, and gamers have begun to get better at seeing through the scripting and the smoke and mirrors. But at the time, it was incredibly impressive.
Couple that with very fast-paced gunplay, an emphasis on "down the sights" aiming, and a crazy-deep reward system, it's easy to see why COD4 turned into a monster.
The sequels since then have just been riding that wave.
- Did "intense" better than literally anything else... ever. It's hard to remember what gaming was like when COD4 was released, but the game really was a landmark. That first mission with the boat, when it begins to sink at the end, you're scrambling up the decks, pipes bursting, Price shouting in your ear, enemies shooting at you... nothing like that had ever been successfully pulled off, before. It conveyed the intensity of battle better than anything that had come before.
And COD does it mission after mission.
As I mentioned, that schtick is wearing thin at this point as other devs have caught up, and gamers have begun to get better at seeing through the scripting and the smoke and mirrors. But at the time, it was incredibly impressive.
Couple that with very fast-paced gunplay, an emphasis on "down the sights" aiming, and a crazy-deep reward system, it's easy to see why COD4 turned into a monster.
The sequels since then have just been riding that wave.
Prophet Steve
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I don´t agree that it has to be a good game because of those arguments. There are things that attract a lot of people, but I think there are a lot of things in cod that could be improved and are very flawed. Cod is like Dan Brown and Twilight books to me, I can see why people are attracted to them, but I think they are easily manipulated and I question their taste.zoukka said:
I think it's pretty simple really:
1) It has a pretty safe theme. Lots of people are interested in FPS, and the closer you get to "real stuff" and farther away from "space guns", the bigger the audience you're going to interest. That doesn't directly always translate into higher sales, but it's simply less off-putting on first impression.
2) Polish. These games especially since Modern Warfare have an impressive production value and very little in the way of rough mechanics or truly massive bugs. I think any game that sees production values like that always has a great chance of being a big success; companies like Blizzard basically thrive off that very thing. It is incredibly important to the market at large and probably still the biggest driver of success in video games in general.
1) It has a pretty safe theme. Lots of people are interested in FPS, and the closer you get to "real stuff" and farther away from "space guns", the bigger the audience you're going to interest. That doesn't directly always translate into higher sales, but it's simply less off-putting on first impression.
2) Polish. These games especially since Modern Warfare have an impressive production value and very little in the way of rough mechanics or truly massive bugs. I think any game that sees production values like that always has a great chance of being a big success; companies like Blizzard basically thrive off that very thing. It is incredibly important to the market at large and probably still the biggest driver of success in video games in general.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
hxephon91]How? Casual just means they play far fewer games and don't perhaps get into all the dirt. How is that offensive. I'm a casual book reader. Should I be offended when someone calls me that because I only read 1 or 2 books a year? Or how about I'm just a casual cook? Should I be offended because I don't dive deep into real cooking and am happy just making soup? Or how about just being a casual movie goer? I'm sorry I'm not offended when someone says "Rahxephon91 you don't watch a lot of movies like I do".[/QUOTE]
When you say somebody is a "casual" or that game X is for "casuals" you're putting them into a category that is less than the "elite." You are saying, this game appeals to people less knowledgeable than other, more elite games. That's in your own words.
In other words, if you enjoy CoD, then you are less knowledgeable than people who enjoy other games. This is patently insulting, and actually quite stupid. Using your own analogy, if you claimed to like Book X and you were told "That book is for those who aren't well acquainted with the written word," then yes, you'd be well within your rights to be slightly offended. Not to the level of somebody calling your mom a whore, or something, but it's not an unreasonable reaction.
When you say somebody is a "casual" or that game X is for "casuals" you're putting them into a category that is less than the "elite." You are saying, this game appeals to people less knowledgeable than other, more elite games. That's in your own words.
In other words, if you enjoy CoD, then you are less knowledgeable than people who enjoy other games. This is patently insulting, and actually quite stupid. Using your own analogy, if you claimed to like Book X and you were told "That book is for those who aren't well acquainted with the written word," then yes, you'd be well within your rights to be slightly offended. Not to the level of somebody calling your mom a whore, or something, but it's not an unreasonable reaction.
Prophet Steve
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I don´t get it anymore, I´m arguing about the entire game. But even when only discussing only the gameplay I repeat what I said. I can see what can attract people, but there are still many flaws and other things that could be easily improved.zoukka said:
This. MW2 was more about sitting in a corner and getting your "line," started so you could spam your AI drones than it was vs combat.mYm|17| said:
MW2 was much less of a team based game than COD4 was. In 4 you had much better maps with a few major choke points where the fire fights would take place. In MW2 this wasn't the case so what you ended up having was players camping. If you put on the right perks in MW2 you could do a circuit around makes and no one would shoot at you as long as you didn't shoot to alert them.
bonesmccoy
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Call of Duty games have always provided a fun FPS experience that's felt 'deeper' than its competitors. I don't know if that says more about CoD, or the competitors, but that's just the way its always been.
I will say though that the series reached a high point with CoD 2, and has never really felt as fun for me since.
I will say though that the series reached a high point with CoD 2, and has never really felt as fun for me since.
Rahxephon91 said:
I'm pretty damn sure many people would get offended if you dissed their cooking skills, driving skills, sports skills whatever, even though it's apparent they haven't done it extensively. Friends can fuck around with each other, but imagine some stranger eating at your home and calling your cookings "shit"
What game doesn't?
Prophet Steve
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I think this has more to do with the latest games. Cod 2 is a fairly different game and relative to the new cod games unpopular (relatively).bonesmccoy said:
@zoukka
Left 4 Dead, Half Life 2: Episode 2, Team Fortress 2, Rez HD are games I think of. I seriously can´t easily think of an easy way to improve them. And I mean that cod games have a lot more of things I consider bad design.
Teknopathetic
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"No FPS on consoles before it had the aiming deadzone & sensitivity to be as good & refined as COD, up to the point where the difference between it & a K/B & mouse is negligible."
Oh my. This has to be a troll.
Oh my. This has to be a troll.
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Man, I own a PS3 and Xbox360 a Wii a DS and a PSP but I bought CoD:BO so I must be a causual gamer. And mmarsu or whatever your name is, I'm being defensive because of the way people that purchase CoD are being portrayed in this thread. You wouldn't be defensive is someone said you have bad taste, you're the lowest common demoninator, you're a mouth breather, you only like the game because your country's gun loving religion and government? How dense can you be?
DevilWillcry said:
:lol
No, the game is good. Simple as that. Why are people having such a hard time with that concept? Its competitive, its fun, its addicting, it has guns, its accessible, easy to pick up hard to master and yes, it does have a good marketing campaign and brand recognition. Add it all up and you've got a popular game.