toddhunter
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That doesn't hold up. Plenty of outlets speculated openly about what sony "might" do and what surprises where going to be in store for their own version of DRM.
Mentioning it as a cautionary tale just makes sense.
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Why is MS not being called out on the "reversal" facade?
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That doesn't hold up. Plenty of outlets speculated openly about what sony "might" do and what surprises where going to be in store for their own version of DRM.
Mentioning it as a cautionary tale just makes sense.
soul creator
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As mentioned earlier, there are plenty of ways to pursue a "digital future". That doesn't mean they have to pursue literally the exact same plans they did before.
Of course, if you're inherently against any type of digital future, then I understand being against any type of "pause".
Yeah, I'm not sure where OP is living but Microsoft has been getting called out on pretty much everything at this point.
EDIT: And if you're talking about the gaming media, well, some wrote against it and some tried to brush it under the rug. I don't suspect that many in the media are going to try and make a big deal about it anymore unless Microsoft actually starts implementing changes toward their 'DRM future' vision. I'm sure if that started to happen then you'd start seeing the likes of Jim Sterling and some others making videos calling them out for it.
CambriaRising
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I am against any "digital future" that curbs physical game ownership for no reason other than killing the second hand market.
Microsoft is probably right that all digital is the future. That's pretty much stating the obvious.
What's wrong is their belief that they'll be the ones to define it. They don't have the good will and trust. Their plan was unappealing. And their original responses to criticism were shrill (Have you seen Titanfall) and glib (Mattrick's 'let them eat cake' moment re: people without Internet)
What's wrong is their belief that they'll be the ones to define it. They don't have the good will and trust. Their plan was unappealing. And their original responses to criticism were shrill (Have you seen Titanfall) and glib (Mattrick's 'let them eat cake' moment re: people without Internet)
MasterRain
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Comedy Gold.
They are (not enough, but they are). The sad part is that people are still buying the XBone in spite of it, as you sort of discussed in your post.
I don't know how people manage to do it. I owned a 360 (and no PS3) for 6 years and I can't find a single legitimate reason to buy an XBone.
I don't know how people manage to do it. I owned a 360 (and no PS3) for 6 years and I can't find a single legitimate reason to buy an XBone.
soul creator
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Completely understood. And MS should take that into account if they continue to pursue their digital future plans. Which is certainly possible (and I would say, the most likely course of action)
Yea part of me agrees with you, but the other half of me me almost wishes that they would have stuck with their original plan just to see what would happen. Now that they have switched their stance I see absolutely no reason to purchase an Xbone over a PS4. I would have purchased one originally just as an experiment.
DizzyCaffeine
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Don't you think you're going a little overboard with the hyperbole? They had a vision for the future that you (and many others) do not agree with. But fuck up gaming as a hobby? I just don't even understand the correlation...
mekes
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I'm glad you made this topic. I feel the same, I feel like every website and a fair portion of gamers are giving Microsoft a free ride now. I cant speak to sales yet but a hunch tells me that the Xbox One will sell very well. I might stop short of saying Microsoft should have been (as good as) booted out of the console business by press everywhere, I'm extremely let down at how quickly people forget. Especially the press, what a bunch of weak characters most of those have turned out to be.
Yes same here. It's very weird, almost feels as if the 180 never happened.
DizzyCaffeine
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GrizzleBoy
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Prince Vultan
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Don't need an Xbone to play Titanfall.
MasterRain
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Well that digital future isn't revolutionary, it's just what was going to happen anyway, with all games available physical and digital. What MS was offering was a world where sharing games with friends was a possibility as there was always online and you couldn't trade it in, and so couldn't 'game' the system.
I think in history it'll go down that MS was way ahead of their time. However they had terrible marketing, with all the negatives getting out with none of the positives. Also people don't trust online enough yet and are still attached to physical stuff. Result? Shitstorm of epic proportions.
EDIT: How can you hate MS for the 180? They listened to you idiots, and changed everything. It was also before it even launched! The stuff you're angry about never happened, it was only ever an idea, never implemented.
Quadraphonic
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They have yet to apologize for the DRM.
Instead, they blame the gamers for wanting it removed, and saying WE'RE the cause of the day one patch.
Instead, they say it was the message.
Instead, they say consumers didn't fully understand it.
At no point did they say DRM was a bad idea. Instead they're trying to make us feel bad for wanting to protect what they wanted to take away.
Tesseract
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that's more or less how i see it. damn shame, really.
The Elite
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From what we were led to believe pre-e3, Sony was consideringg it too. In the long run, both companies will be going the all digital direction. Thanks to some timely protesting by the internet en masse we managed to avoid it this this time around.
MS fucked up and was forced to do a public reversal. I'm not going to shit on them for making the right decision but it's obvious that the industry is going that direction eventually.
Twilight Gap
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^ lol
DizzyCaffeine
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And I never said you do. But Titanfall will be on xbone, yes? Can we at least agree on that much?
iJudged
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D i s.
CambriaRising
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I was going to write out a detailed reply, but you just called anyone who was against this an idiot so I won't waste my time.
UberTag
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Some people just aren't cut out to back up their principles with their wallets.
Perhaps money is of no consequence to them.
Perhaps they got peer pressured by their friends.
Perhaps they've been won over by the prospect of playing a shinier version of Forza & Dead Rising now alongside a God of War clone ... and, next spring, a shinier version of TitanFall.
It's best not to lose sleep over people buying Xbox Ones this month.
If they want to tell Microsoft they support their DRM initiatives (which is how their purchase will be interpreted by Penello and company) then so be it.
Actually, it WAS implemented. The Day 1 patch is in place to reverse said implementation.
And even so, Microsoft will interpret the purchase of an Xbox One console for ANY reason as an endorsement of their all-DRM future plans because, after all, it's still in "their mind" a good idea that the world may be ready for in a few years. Or a few months. Or a few weeks. Who can say?
The key point is that they were right and we were wrong. And if we give them our money we will be backing up that mindset.
I lol'd
iJudged
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lmao
Melchiah
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Exactly, but it seems different rules apply in certain media circles, when the things are turned around. Makes me wonder, would there be any balance or insignificant difference excuses, if the next gen multiplatform titles would perform worse on the PS4. There certainly wasn't any, when the PS3 was the underdog.
I'm so tired of this type of stuff. The xbox one has games that I want, simple as that. That's more than a legitimate reason to buy one, and the entertainment options also intice me. I know about the resolution stuff, I know about the 180, I've had my fair share of disappointments with how MS PR has botched this launch but at the end of the day Microsoft is still offering something that I'm interested in. I'm not blind to the more than valid criticisms that people have with the console, but I despise being talked down to simply because I have a preference over the other due to my personal tastes.
Louis Cyphre
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Did Microsoft call the PS4 a PS3.5? I remember back when the PS3 was announced and how things have progressed to today. The media was indeed all over Sony and the PS3 for many reasons. Some justified, some not. One explanation why they may be reserved in doing the same thing could be that Microsoft has not called out the PS4 and claimed there system to be more powerful or have they? What they are guilty of is downplaying the differences, but when you raise the bar to a higher level the expectations are then higher as well. So to have games underperform on your so called supercomputer and look better on a system you call weaker brings unwanted attention. Sure a lot of that was out of there control as there 1st party games proved the PS3 was powerful but the majority of titles were multiplat games. So as a consumer your left with what the hell moments buying games on a system you thought was more powerful.
You need to print off these educational posters and put them around your neighbourhood warning people not to buy an Xbone and to buy a glorious PS4 instead
Fucking lol
ZombiePlatypus
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How exactly do you define ruining gaming without sounding "severe" or "exaggerating"? It's obvious they wanna standardize the crazy direction they threw their momentum towards. How are mandatory 24hr check-ins, and not owning physical games that you paid for anything short of fucking up gaming should we let it become the norm? Is it all OK cause they keep saying "We promise we won't do that at the moment" ? You can't hyperbolize a situation or become alarmist when things are already critical as it is. Or are we supposed to wait and let them completely shit the bed for everyone before we say something?
malboroking
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Apparently you have. His name is Antitype.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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83% is rational unlike your irrational comment. Stop trying to downplay that Microsoft messed up so they shouldn't be talked about in a negative light.
malboroking
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I'm getting a PS4, but I have to admit I'm pretty jelly about some of the Xbox exclusives, DR3 in particular. In the end I like Sonys games better than The MS exclusives, and really that's the biggest thing that should influence your purchase.
Louis Cyphre
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Even after the reversals some people are obviously having a hard time moving on. Even those that were never going to buy an XBox One regardless. Strange times indeed.
ZombiePlatypus
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It's cause of these sentiments that I made this thread. (And yet some people seem to think they're not getting a free pass? I don't even.)
I'm just genuinely curious how you accept their reversal as legitimate when all the language they use when talking about it comes down to "What we initially announced is the future. You're not ready for it, so we're postponing it instead of acknowledging it was a mistake and making sincere effort for a real, different direction."
ambar_hitman
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So you are comparing music and movie downloasa on iTunes to 40-50 GBs of games? Okay then.
The Faceless Master
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they're getting called out more than a chick in a short skirt walking by a construction yard.
Louis Cyphre
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Because in there view disc based games are holding back some possibilities. I totally get why ownership is important and support it myself. I think they saw the Steam model and thought they could match it but the problem is the pricing model just won't allow it to work.
They won't be putting these things back into place, at least not for disc based games. The digital content you buy now, even on competing consoles, are locked. What they could have done that neither Sony or Nintendo are doing now with digital content, is allow a trade and selling policy.
Microsoft just never delivered why it was better. The only thing people saw any positives was the family share plan and even that was poorly presented. Consumers want value and also have a sense of ownership. They will ignore the ownership part to some degree. Playstation Plus and Steam both prove consumers will speak positively about content they don't really own in the sense they can lend and share it like disc based games and sell them, because of the pricing.
JinjoUnchained
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Guys, read the OP more carefully. He's not saying that MS is not getting called out for their original DRM policies or the 180. He's making a good point that many people bought into the XBone after the 180 was announced, but they should be wary because it sounds like MS is planning to go back to their original DRM policies as soon as they can. So, to anyone who decided to get the XBone because of the 180, think twice because it sounds like MS is going to do a 180 on the 180 after they already have your money. Of course, if you didn't care about the original DRM policies in the first place, then none of this matters.
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