Metallix87
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I was using Skyrim to stand in for Elder Scrolls. It didn't seem to be an issue until several pages later. Whatever.
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Why is Nintendo unrivaled in the AAA space?
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I was using Skyrim to stand in for Elder Scrolls. It didn't seem to be an issue until several pages later. Whatever.
I was referring to the distinctly Metroid-like layout of Dark Souls 1. The shortcuts, the secret paths, the inter-connectivity of it all. Like, you know, Metroid. Who said anything about a Prime? Metroid. Whence the term Metroidvania draws its reference. 1986~1987 Metroid. Kids these days...
eddfromtheriver
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Nintendo unrivaled in the AAA space?, talk about hyperbole... i guess i missed their superior versions of Forza, Uncharted, Gears of War and God of War.
Metallix87
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Another individual who failed to read the OP...
I'm very glad I missed them as well. Because, as much faith as I have in Nintendo, not even they could add enough polish to make turds like God of War, Uncharted, and Gear of War shine. Their superior version(s) of Forza are F-Zero and Mario Kart. Hyperbole, thy name is AAA.
Rushersauce
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There is no point to it. It's as simple as that. Even with your disclaimer.
DragonGirl
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You also missed the OP. Good job.
In reference to a post further up, glad to see I'm not the only one who sees Metroid in the structure of Dark Souls.
SolidSnakex
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The interesting thing about this point is that it seems that even Nintendo agrees with you. Wario, Yoshi, Luigi, Kirby etc. all still seem to stick to 2D. Even Donkey Kong is now back to being a 2D platformer.
Phoenician_Viking
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It´s funny that some people here are ignoring that Mario maker is an LBP rip off. It´s like saying that Nintendo ripped off Sony´s motion control because Sony showed the concept in 2000 or 2002.
LBP is a Mario rip off? The delusion is palpable.
Lol.
LBP is a Mario rip off? The delusion is palpable.
Lol.
eddfromtheriver
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I did... i'm just flipping the proverbial tortilla, we could ask the same about Nintendo... where's their answer to The Last of Us?, it sold really well, they should try and ape it!, but to answer the OP's question, they have in the past (Jak and Daxter, Dark Cloud, Crash Team Racing, etc.), just not as much in the current times because those aren't the genres that are selling the most right now (it pains me to write it but it is what it is).
Last time i checked Wipeout wasn't a Nintendo franchise, and calling those franchises turds?... lol.
So... PC gaming never happened, in the hypothetical world you are describing, correct?
Touche, on the Wipeout front... too many tabs, late night, thumbs, and Nook.
All AAA games are turds. Bring that hyperbole, AAA Defense Force. I'm your huckleberry.
DragonGirl
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Oh FFS. LBP did not invent the level editor.
Phoenician_Viking
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DragonGirl
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The point you are missing is games like "Gritty Zombie Adventure" and "Open World Racing Sim" are reaching saturation points by multiple publishers. These are not genres dominated by one franchise from one publisher. Nintendo, on the other hand, doesn't really have competition at their level in the games they make. Not anymore. That said though, an argument can be made for the Lego games.
Thank you for the non sequitur. The thread was obviously lacking.
Heavy_D_Forever
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Valve/Sony/Microsoft have become the leaders in the Gaming industry recently stealing huge marketshare away from Nintendo.
Why is it hard for some people to accept that?
Why is it hard for some people to accept that?
Wolfgang Jr
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Lol, what? Those games aren't good :/
Define gaming. Oh, wait, Nintendo already did that. Now then, it is, perhaps, fair to say that Sony and MS have redefined gaming. But this doesn't mean that everyone has to accept that definition. A lot of people do. A lot of people do not.
DragonGirl
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Little Big Planet is a platformer with an elaborate level editor.
Mario Maker is just a straight up level editor for the Mario franchise. Such editors have existed for over a decade, predating the Playstation brand, much less LBP. Nintendo has created official level editors for some of their franchises in the past, now they are making a dedicated one for Mario.
If you think this means Nintendo is ripping off LBP then I suggest you make your case.
eddfromtheriver
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Hmmm, interesting question.
Dragonseeker
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You didn't answer his question.
What exactly are you trying to argue? Nobody is saying only Zelda can sell 3-7 million copies. Obviously there are other games out there that can do that. But most of those games are multiplatform. How many single platform games sell as much as the Zelda franchise? Saying Zelda is niche is borderline insane.
Let's put it this way. MS would kill to have Titanfall sell 7 million copies. Only Halo does that.
Semantic shifts are wonderful when duplicitously applied, no?
As it stands, I have achieved AAA exhaustion, AAA replying in here past AAA midnight, so I'm out.
I shall be catching some AAA ZZZ, Alpha and Omega style. Peace.
Do you even read what you write? In what universe is a kart racer even remotely comparable to a sim racer?
Shmuely Bully
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The problem is your comparison is idiotic. It's vague to the point where you could make similar claims about any number of other entirely unrelated games. BTW, King's Field had all of the items you named, in 3D, a year before Mario 64 came out. Ever played it?
Oh and Vampire Killer came out in 1986 too pal.
You mean Mario vs Donkey Kong on GBA?
Guest12345678
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I dont think theres any point trying to reason with some one who thinks uncharted and the last of are a dime a dozen.
Did you even read what I wrote? Who cares about AAA turds? Not me, and not many, many, others, and certainly not Nintendo. AAA plays as it sounds read aloud - like someone gagging. Apt, is it not.
Ignore him. He's been spazzing out in the last 2 pages. I'm not sure what he hopes to accomplish.
It's a cycle. Some people will act crazy and call LBP a Mario "clone" so it's only natural for people to call Mario Maker a LBP "clone".
I do remember someone in the Mario Maker thread saying the tools are going to allow you to create more than just 2d platformer levels. I don't think this is true though?
grimlock442
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I don't see Nintendo games as "AAA" at all. They're almost like small indie games. When I think "AAA" I think million dollar cinematics, 7.1 positional audio, full HD visual feasts that leave your jaw on the floor.
Red Dead Redemption, Mass Effect, Infamous Second Son. So yeah, to me Nintendo games are more like higher budget indies and platformers.
Unrivaled? Definitely a matter of opinion as Nintendo is getting their asses handed to them at the moment. They are certainly rivaled in most spaces.
Red Dead Redemption, Mass Effect, Infamous Second Son. So yeah, to me Nintendo games are more like higher budget indies and platformers.
Unrivaled? Definitely a matter of opinion as Nintendo is getting their asses handed to them at the moment. They are certainly rivaled in most spaces.
Guest12345678
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did you just rip off being dumb.
jkss but your logic is seriously flawed bre
Phoenician_Viking
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What do I hope to accomplish? You mean this isn't the "bash AAA games thread"? Is it instead yet another "shit on Nintendo" thread? I didn't think so. But clearly those are the only options.
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follow the money. that's what developers do, that's why there are yearly COD games. that's why there are so many TPS games. countless NFS and GT clones. I could go on.
if there is money to be made, you can bet there are developers pursuing it. mario and samus (I'll just call them mascot games) haven't been a draw for some time now (exception: the nintendo hardcore can never get enough mario, but the nintendo hardcore is dwarfed by the much larger fanbase of say GTA.) it's unsurprising that mascot games/2D platformers have been trampled underfoot. there is just more money to be made elsewhere.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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And LBP is a sidescroller I guess it ripped off mario then
rokkerkory
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Its like going to start up a mcdonald's rival too hard.
Rather create something different.
Rather create something different.
Just to clarify what he's talking about, Donkey Kong Plus turned into Mario Vs Donkey Kong. The level editor wasn't in the final release, but it was planned (and still in the code) -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9KC48l3DR4
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Who cares? That has zero to do with Metroid.
Oh, and Metroid still came out before Vampire Killer, kiddo. In Japan. Because it never saw the light of day over here.
Would you like to be told you are right? Is that what you need? Approval, unconditional acceptance, even in the face of reality? Good luck with that. Don't starve waiting, okay?
Mario wasn't the first sidescroller or 2d platformer.
MisterHero
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N64DD was a platform and entire games based around creating/sharing user content. I don't know if F-Zero X could share tracks through the internetz though.
Terrible_Majesty
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i woukd argue that from software has taken zelda and brought it to another level. the first dead space was what a new metroid should be like except with more backtracking. and uncharted/last of us is the evolution of mario.
nintendo do controls and gameplay as their first focus. they leave cinematics and story as details.
what nintendo needs to do is to collaborate not with japanese devs any longer, but with an accomplished western studio like naughty dog or visceral or bioware. it will be an eye opener for both parties.
nintendo believes games shouldnt be like movies but thats what gamers want. not kojima like cinematics but just enough. for me starcraft was the perfect blend of gameplay and cinematics without getting annoying or interrupting gameplay.
nintendo do controls and gameplay as their first focus. they leave cinematics and story as details.
what nintendo needs to do is to collaborate not with japanese devs any longer, but with an accomplished western studio like naughty dog or visceral or bioware. it will be an eye opener for both parties.
nintendo believes games shouldnt be like movies but thats what gamers want. not kojima like cinematics but just enough. for me starcraft was the perfect blend of gameplay and cinematics without getting annoying or interrupting gameplay.
Shmuely Bully
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No, I need Nintendo fans to stop acting like they invented everything in gaming. Any topic like this is impossible to resolve in any satisfactory manner because Nintendo fans refuse to adequately recognize the quality of other developers' work or other developers' innovations and you're a prime example of that flawed point of view.
And this too, what even is this? You might as well say Gran Turismo is an evolution of Mario Kart. These games have extremely little in common with each other.
Ok I was with you for the first two but then you went into taffy pulling when it came to stretching similarities.
It's an endless cycle of who made what first. Nintendo might not have made everything first, but they did kinda resurrect a dead market in the home console business because they made such high quality titles. They've continued doing that for 30 years with very, very few bad titles. No other publisher has that kind of track record. So the praise is pretty much justified.
I don't think anyone's blowing off anyone's work here. Honestly it sounds more like you're mad because your opinion's different and you'll never change someone else's mind about it.
There it is. Running of fumes, here. F-Zero. God's Wipeout. The nemesis of all bad things AAA.
MisterGrey3000
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Terrible_Majesty
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yeah i know lol. i think the next evolution of mario, is open world sandbox games.
the evolution of pitfall is uncharted. the last of us is a branch of re4.
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