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Why is no one complaining about MS being "anti-consumer"?
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Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
I don't buy every game, I buy games that really grab me. I also wait to buy them on sale.
The $1 offers are great. I do love those
Frito_Pendejo
Member
What's anti-consumer about it? If you want to play Bethesda game's just build a PC or buy an Xbox. If I want to play uncharted or TLOU I'll buy PlayStation, which I did. If you want to play Zelda buy a switch. Most platforms have exclusives. Microsoft just made their exclusives a lot better. Especially after getting hammered, justifiably so, for the bullshit first party output.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
I don't ever see Nintendo exclusives on PC either. No one complains about that.
brap
Banned
Calm down Dontero.
Nintendo has positioned itself as the PC/Switch, Xbox/Switch, PS/Switch... second system to go along with the other. They do their own thing.
Competition is a good thing and Xbox's moves are much more consumer friendly.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
Huh? Don't Sony invest into studios as well to build them up and improve them? How is paying to keep one game exclusive for a few months to a year worst than acquiring an entire company who used to make multiple games for different platforms?
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Mister Wolf
Member
They prevented RE7 VR from coming to PC Headsets.
DavidGzz
Member
Nintendo isn't as direct a competitor and they don't buy dumb 1 year exclusives as far as I know. Plus, people just seem to universally like them.
captainraincoat
Banned
Tiamat2san
Member
Here you go
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
It's only anti-consumer when it personally affects them
ethomaz
Banned
That is what I said...
sainraja
Member
This type of thing is pretty normal. Just the usual "console warring". You'll get used to it pretty quickly; it's always aggressive passive behavior. Don't get too absorbed by it.
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ethomaz
Banned
These two things are basically the same.
MS paid for have control (reads keep stuff off others systems) except one you need $$$ the other $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
But I don't see any anti-consumer practices in that.
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Hawking Radiation
Wants to watch an Event Horizon porno
Both companies are 'guilty' of these practices so its unfair to call out one and not the other.
As far as i see it, developers should build games independently. That makes it so we all benefit from their visions.
But people will pay the $70 for Sony's next gen games (myself included). Everyone and their dog is rushing out to buy a PS5. That should tell you the general public (not us forum dwellers) don't give a shit about the extra $10.
So for people on this forum to complain about $70, well you're in the minority in the grand scheme of things.
As far as i see it, developers should build games independently. That makes it so we all benefit from their visions.
Gamepass is an amazing service in terms of value. No one can deny that.
But people will pay the $70 for Sony's next gen games (myself included). Everyone and their dog is rushing out to buy a PS5. That should tell you the general public (not us forum dwellers) don't give a shit about the extra $10.
So for people on this forum to complain about $70, well you're in the minority in the grand scheme of things.
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They would of locked up the next 3 zenimax games plus ff and project athena. I am sure there is more I can't think of. Then add in all the exclusive content which is disgusting charging customers the same for less content. Sony wants more great charge other customers less. If your blocking Microsoft from zenimax games I don't blame them for just buying the damn thing in response. When Microsoft has almost no market share it is hard to compete when the other guy is trying to content starving you. As I said I hope Sony gets the message about money hats. If not Microsoft buys the next major company they money hat.
supernova8
Banned
Funny thing is that Sony somehow managed to homegrow first party studios or bought them up when they were still small time outfits. Xbox is kinda late to the party with buying up studios so that's why it seems anti-consumer (to some) because the sums of money are much bigger.
dano1
A Sheep
For $5 less a month you can have PlayStation plus and PlayStation now With more games.
The Leaked Truths
Banned
Dear Sony, this is what you deserve when you take Street Fighter away from Microsoft and Nintendo Platforms 
We will never forget what you did, and as promised one day we will have our revenge, and the day has now come and we are not done yet, greetings from Microsoft
But seriously, Game Pass is a great service for everyone and especially for families who don't have the money to purchase multiple $70.00 Dollar games in a year for their kids, and this will add even more value to Game Pass which is in my opinion a positive thing. No one holds you back to purchase a Microsoft system, Microsoft offers actually even a great entry system with the XBox Series S.
There is another really good reason why Game Pass is great and I hope I can explain that well enough! There are gamers with disabilities, some for instance are blind and can't play every game. And they don't know if they can play the game until they actually bought that expensive game. And with Game Pass they don't need to fear anymore to spend money on a game which they eventually can't play. With Game Pass they just have the option to just try another game which is absolutely fantastic!!! And this is only one example why Game Pass is consumer friendly in many ways!!!
Thanks to Phil Spencers incredible work with his Teams alot more people on this planet can enjoy Video Games
We will never forget what you did, and as promised one day we will have our revenge, and the day has now come and we are not done yet, greetings from Microsoft
But seriously, Game Pass is a great service for everyone and especially for families who don't have the money to purchase multiple $70.00 Dollar games in a year for their kids, and this will add even more value to Game Pass which is in my opinion a positive thing. No one holds you back to purchase a Microsoft system, Microsoft offers actually even a great entry system with the XBox Series S.
There is another really good reason why Game Pass is great and I hope I can explain that well enough! There are gamers with disabilities, some for instance are blind and can't play every game. And they don't know if they can play the game until they actually bought that expensive game. And with Game Pass they don't need to fear anymore to spend money on a game which they eventually can't play. With Game Pass they just have the option to just try another game which is absolutely fantastic!!! And this is only one example why Game Pass is consumer friendly in many ways!!!
Thanks to Phil Spencers incredible work with his Teams alot more people on this planet can enjoy Video Games
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sainraja
Member
I have a feeling that might change now. I think they really tried making it go that way but observed that it wasn't working. The conversation wasn't switching 100% in their favor. Let's see how it plays out but I am thinking the buying of so many studios means Microsoft has decided to do what you describe Sony to be doing.
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It's a 2 horse race Nintendo left to mobile a while ago.
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
MS buying Bethesda is just a bigger Sony buying Insomniac. They are 1st party developers now. Sony paying people to keep 3rd party games off another system for a year or what ever is totally different. Also Sony likes to pull the shit like they did with Avengers, pay to make other version of the game worse off. They did it with destiny and doing it with CoD too.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
And now people are deluding themsevles thinking the $7 billion microsoft spent was reactionary to Sony
Ash Sparrow
Banned
Going to put op on my steak cause he salty as hell.
Esteldan
Member
Zenimax/Bethesda were headed in a shit direction anyway which is probably why not many people are overly upset.
I think as it stands it's far from the end of the world. I'd much rather Microsoft had of bought them and have the security in knowing these games are going to be on PC rather then be in the situation we WERE in which Sony were sniffing around for timed exclusivity, possibly locking games like Starfield out from any other device for 6-12 months. That to me is more anti-consumer then ONLY PS5 players not being able to play it.
Things are OK for now but if this is the start of Microsoft building a monopoly that ultimately results in a more expensive game-pass sub, Windows Store only with no other choices etc. then it will be a different story.
I think as it stands it's far from the end of the world. I'd much rather Microsoft had of bought them and have the security in knowing these games are going to be on PC rather then be in the situation we WERE in which Sony were sniffing around for timed exclusivity, possibly locking games like Starfield out from any other device for 6-12 months. That to me is more anti-consumer then ONLY PS5 players not being able to play it.
Things are OK for now but if this is the start of Microsoft building a monopoly that ultimately results in a more expensive game-pass sub, Windows Store only with no other choices etc. then it will be a different story.
quickwhips
Member
But they didn't buy a game exclusive they bought a company. This is just the circle of life.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
If I had known you were a retard OP, I wouldn't have made you that avatar 
SlicedBread3
Member
So it's anti-consumer when you leave people on other platforms to buy the game with slightly less content, but not when you remove the choice to buy that game altogether? (And no just because they spend the same amount does not mean they're entitled to the same content, the different versions are recognised as different products. And that money given to them for that content will also go towards investing in the studio)
Edit: for the record. I'm fine with both. Just don't get this argument
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Neolombax
Member
Come on man, you know how this goes. This is clearly the win that they needed. Let them have their fun. Claiming things are anti consumer is just another way of expressing personal butthurt. Nobody is saying you can't buy both consoles.
Hypothetically, can you imagine if Sony acquires From Software? I guarantee you there will be at least 10 threads about it being anti consumer.
Hypothetically, can you imagine if Sony acquires From Software? I guarantee you there will be at least 10 threads about it being anti consumer.
bender
What time is it?
Jimmyisback
Banned
They aren't paying for dlc just to keep it off ps consoles. That's just a bitch move. They are acquiring studios.
That would be cool beef up the first party better than wasteful marketing deals or timed exclusives. Soulsheads are buying a PS5 anyways I don't see the complaints.
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
Can't remove something that wasn't there to start. It's not like MS is pulling all of Bethesda old games off anything Sony.
Iced Arcade
Member
Enjoy spiderman in Avengers and calm down
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
You don't know what anti-consumer means.
Knitted Knight
Banned
As they should.
As for OP........................ Xbox and PC isn't impacted? Kinda obvious why. Rhetorical question in a sense.
Vawn
Banned
Except they are? They always have and still do. The Medium, for example, is a paid timed console exclusive. The new Yakuza was paid to stay off PS5 for a period of time (although PS4 was allowed).
Dthomp
Member
Not trying to rile people up, but GAF seems to forget how much of a minority we are in the grand scheme of things. The amount of people that have a high end gaming PC are the minority of PC owners, and MANY families prefer a console to PC gaming.
I mean if we want to argue about nothing, why is it ok for there to be PC exclusive titles like Half Life: Alyx? Why can't I have that on my PSVR?
Exclusives are fine, M$ is just as guilty for the timed exclusive bullshit and let's not forget they almost beat Sony in the PS3 era due to having the exclusive DLC content for Call of Duty that gen. These are game companies, they do not have your best interest at heart, they have their shareholders wallets at heart.
At the end of the day, it is what it is. I don't think Sony fans have anything to worry about. My opinion is that this is Microsofts first move towards getting out of hardware and trying to become Netflix for games. You'll have GP of sorts on PS/Nintendo/PC and they don't have to worry about console stuff, and I think that may be the best thing they could do.
Once again, remembering how small a percent we make up in the gaming world, the Playstation most likely outsells the new Xbox 2:1 minimum, and Microsoft will handle the BIG exclusives just like Minecraft. No reason to leave money on the table in hopes somebody will buy an Xbox just for Skyrim Remake: Remastered: Special Edition VR.
I think this creates an interesting opportunity for smaller studios to take a shot at creating their own Fallout/ES type title on Sony and maybe Nintendo that won't have to compete with M$, or not, who cares we are a bunch of idiots arguing about rich peoples moneys on the internet.
