Nope they should play by Sonys rules. Let Ryan lock up everything in site with no response since a money hat for Microsoft is outrageously priced. Let Sony have starfield also with the other zenimax games. Let Sony buy zenimax basically via money hats. If they have every zenimax game money hatted they might as well own it.
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Why is no one complaining about MS being "anti-consumer"?
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I think they assume MS is going to share their IP based on Phil Spencer making a big deal out of it. That or they're just MS fans and aren't objective.
devilNprada
Member
Isn't Deathloop Bethesda?
farmerboy
Member
Never understood the money hat, anti consumer and timed exclusive bitterness.
I'm a Sony guy, and I don't really get MS's play here (including Mojang, 12 billion on what, 9 studios?) but as a potential MS customer down the track, it all sounds fair and good to me.
Though, I would caution that you can't just buy success. So it'll be great to see what happens going forward.
SlicedBread3
Member
Well yeah, but it's not like Sony was removing content from old Xbox games either.
As for new games, WOULD Spider-Man be in the x-box version of Avengers if Sony hadn't stepped in. Yeah probably.
But would the next Elder Scrolls games be on PS5 if Microsoft don't step in. Yeah probably.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
I don't think Sony's strategy is anti-consumer. If that is the case, so is Nintendo's and literally all consoles before it including Microsoft's. It's traditional and some may even call it old fashioned. Exclusives are nothing new and can persuade people to purchase hardware. I don't see a problem with this method especially if some people rather to own the latest or a particular selection of games.
Dthomp
Member
You're not implying that Phil only wanted everybody to play together and everybody should have every game when they were a distant 3rd slurping up the scraps of the big 2 consoles, and now that he's buying studios he'll get greedy? He seems like such a nice guy
ComputerBlue
Member
lmao Microsoft has done this in the past, you people are quick to forget.
Dthomp
Member
I legit don't know the ownership rights, but doesn't Sony not Playstation own Spider-man? I mean I get why he's not in the Xbox version if that's the case still. I'd assume it's more that and they wanted him added then him being in the game and Sony paid to have him taken out if they own the rights to the character.
No Marvel owns Spider-Man. Sony has the film rights.
Warnen
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There might have been a sunset overdrive 2, guess we will never know.
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SlicedBread3
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For all we know that might of been the case, I was just suggesting the alternative for the sake of argument.
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Macapala
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They're just vidioh gamz man...
MarkMe2525
Banned
Yes purchasing publishers is better. Then if the game is exclusive, it's because MS funded it fully. MS paying for tomb raider or Sony paying for FF16 is lowbrow move. Those games already probably have or had a version up and running on the other console but won't release it because of a contract.
Batiman
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It's because the other side has been cheerleading for timed exclusives for the last couple of months. Xbox got shit on bad for tomb raider but Sony slowly started doing the same shit more and more as the gen went on.
I get all consoles so I don't give a shit. It's just business when Sony does it and it's just business when MS does it. It's not really confusing. Companies acquire smaller companies. Sony would do the same if they had the funds. So would nintendo. Now itdoes suck if you only own 1 console or whatever, but that's life.
I'm gonna be honest and say it is satisfying to see the infamous Sony fanboys that always talk shit about MS get all salty. It seems almost like a beg for mercy at this point.
I get all consoles so I don't give a shit. It's just business when Sony does it and it's just business when MS does it. It's not really confusing. Companies acquire smaller companies. Sony would do the same if they had the funds. So would nintendo. Now itdoes suck if you only own 1 console or whatever, but that's life.
I'm gonna be honest and say it is satisfying to see the infamous Sony fanboys that always talk shit about MS get all salty. It seems almost like a beg for mercy at this point.
Still playing the game though, Microsoft have just upped the ante
SlicedBread3
Member
On the flip side though that money from Sony gives Square more revenue to put towards creating more content, or to fund their next game.
MarkMe2525
Banned
Yeah, there is always a flip side to the chicken or the egg argument. Sony must be paying a lot to offset the money SE would make from a few million copies sold on xbox. I guess it doesn't "feel" as bad when I know MS is directly paying the people that make the game and not just purchasing exclusive access to a product.
MS isn't going to take the games away from anyone because the games will be playable on PC , Consoles & Phones/Tablets
Michael Hawk
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This is business, not a brightly decorated middle school cafeteria.
To answer the OP, the reason Microsoft aren't being perceived and or called out as anti-consumer is because they've done a phenomenal job of convincing people that they're the good guys who just want gamers to hold hands and sing songs together. Unfortunately, the gaming press -- IGN, Eurogamer, Giant Bomb, Gamespot etc -- have bought into the good guy narrative, so the outlets that have a larger than average reach are going to be as quiet as a funeral home on Sunday.
In reality, Microsoft's gameplan has always been to be the market leader at any and all costs, and their acquisition of developers and or publishers increases their chances of that. There's nothing evil or inherently wrong with wanting to succeed; pretending that they're not interested in success by any means necessary, however, is where their strategy of marketplace dominance starts to look misleading. There's no reason to lie to your customers about your intentions -- especially when your actions, as a business, are trying to give your product/service a competitive advantage over another product/service.
The good news (for you) is this is business and you have the option of supporting their business or not supporting their business with your money. Philip Spencer isn't holding a gun to your head and telling you to pre-order a Series X or else. Make the decision that you think is best for you and your tastes.
VAVA Mk2
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No you are just mad that you like the studios they bought and you may have to purchase an XBox or get into PC to possibly play games from IPs from Bethesda/ID that you like going forward in addition to buying a PS5 to play their content that you also like.
Trogdor1123
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Honestly, do you think ms is going to eliminate 60-65% of the acquisitions value by not putting games out on ps5? Maybe they will, im not sure. But I do know that if Sony bought them, they would 100% not let them do multiplatform games. With ms at least there is a possibility.
#Phonepunk#
Banned
i would say MS is more anti-business than anti-consumer.
when companies swallow each other up, it shrinks the marketplace, it is bad for the market, bad for the consumer.
games from these companies were always multiplat. they will remain that way.
when companies swallow each other up, it shrinks the marketplace, it is bad for the market, bad for the consumer.
games from these companies were always multiplat. they will remain that way.
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Potato Chip PRO
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Why didn't you say anything when Sony was buying up 3rd party content left and right? Because it's your preferred Console and fits your narrative so you have your feelings plastered over this..
CatLady
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I have to wonder why Sony fans weren't also condemning how anti-consumer this rumored deal was that popped up at the beginning of this year:
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Sony's Rumored Acquisition Of ZeniMax Kicks Off 2020 [Update]
In a surprising series of events, It's Microsoft who has acquired ZeniMax Media instead of Sony Interactive Entertainment. Microsoft has revealed that all
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#Phonepunk#
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yall are fools if u think Skyrim 2 and Fallout 5 will be exclusives to one console
RafterXL
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Don't start nothing, won't be nothing. Fuck Sony only gamers. Buy a second console, or PC, like the rest of us.
There's nothing better than a bunch of gloating Sonybro salty tears.
I actually don't care if it's anti-consumer after the last few years of trying to explain all the ways Sony has been anti-consumer and being met by a wall of Sony slurping fanboys explaining how it's good for Sony customers and that's all Sony should be concerned with.
Well, this is good for Xbox gamers, and PC gamers, and Android gamers...it's just not good for Playstation gamers. But hey, you got Spiderman!
You're a fool if you think Microsoft dropped 7.5 billion dollars to put two of the biggest games of the gen on PS5.
Quit deluding yourselves Sonybros, you aren't getting another Fallout or Elderscrolls game again.
Buy a PC.
There's nothing better than a bunch of gloating Sonybro salty tears.
I actually don't care if it's anti-consumer after the last few years of trying to explain all the ways Sony has been anti-consumer and being met by a wall of Sony slurping fanboys explaining how it's good for Sony customers and that's all Sony should be concerned with.
Well, this is good for Xbox gamers, and PC gamers, and Android gamers...it's just not good for Playstation gamers. But hey, you got Spiderman!
You're a fool if you think Microsoft dropped 7.5 billion dollars to put two of the biggest games of the gen on PS5.
Quit deluding yourselves Sonybros, you aren't getting another Fallout or Elderscrolls game again.
Buy a PC.
As is posted 50000 times a day exclusives sell consoles. For a very long time gamepass subscriptions will be vastly console gamers. Add this up and Microsoft would foolhardy to help Sony and give them those games for a few sales. Throwing away console sales for a few game sales is not smart.
Lone Wolf
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M$, really? Stopped reading after that. Also, the fact that you took my comment so seriously shows how triggered all this makes you. Go outside.
Dthomp
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lol sure dude. I literally could not care less, I buy all systems and I type M$ because it's just quicker then typing out the full name. My comment was for the thread, my response to you was the first sentence. lol triggered, I love you kids and the verbiage that you use these days. Carry on
Dr Bass
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Phew. For a moment there Microsoft was worried they didn't have your approval.
ToxicPhantom
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Of course you would say that. Typical response when someone doesn't like what GP offers. Pffftt
TheMay30thMan
Member
They're not anti consumer if the only people their polices affect are PlayStation users.
Bonfires Down
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I will be able to at least stream Microsoft's exclusives whether I own a console or not so it's not a big deal to me. With Sony chances of that happening are much less.
It sucks that Microsoft owns these companies. It would have sucked more if Sony had gotten a hold of them. Yes they will be on PC but hopefully not the Microsoft store and hopefully id Software still supports Vulkan so I can play the next games on Linux. Of these two companies, Microsoft is the least bad.I have to wonder why Sony fans weren't also condemning how anti-consumer this rumored deal was that popped up at the beginning of this year:
Sony's Rumored Acquisition Of ZeniMax Kicks Off 2020 [Update]
In a surprising series of events, It's Microsoft who has acquired ZeniMax Media instead of Sony Interactive Entertainment. Microsoft has revealed that all
Yeah I feel like there is some mental gymnastics going on justifying that comparison for some. The only way that Microsoft isn't going to lock up their shiny new purchase is if they do horribly in the market this generation and I don't see that happening. A whole generation of gamers on PlayStation won't have access to titles now. Imagine if Sony did it, these folks would be crying bloody murder about it.
IfuckinghateReddit
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You're saving a lot of money not getting gamepass that you can use to buy new games.
CircleOfFire
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I wonder if all the people saying it's bad that Sony pay for exclusives also said it was bad when MS started this whole idea in earlier generations? Not sure if they still do, but they also poison pilled their developer agreement to require late releases on their platform to have extra content.
FeiRR
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You've just admitted it's an alt account. Good job!
Kagey K
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This is a fallacy it started with Sony during the PS1 gen and they never stopped doing it.
TheSHEEEP
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Remember to re-hydrate regularly!
From a PC gamers perspective (and one that switched to mostly Linux years ago):
Microsoft has never been super "pro consumer" to begin with, so for me this whole MS vs Sony struggle is like watching King Kong fight Ghidorah, honestly.
Though to be fair, MS clearly has the better deal here, game-wise. Cross-platform game subscription for Windows and Xbox is rather hard to beat. Not that I'd ever use that subscription, I prefer to at least own the "license to play the game" (Steam jab, hehe) whenever I want without having to subscribe anywhere (and with supporting the devs more than a monthly sub would).
But I do realize this is a great deal for many people.
Also, Sony regularly refuses to share its games with anyone, at least for a very long time. Which was and is the primary reason for people to get a PS to begin with.
That's about as anti-consumer as it gets, isn't it?
Xbox games will now most likely be at least shared with Windows.
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DavidGzz
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I brought that up before on another forum and was almost banned but yes, it's no different than how crazy sports fans get as well. I don't understand that mentality. I'm a game fan and play the games that look good regardless of the platform. Both PS5 and XSX secured. I feel bad for the fanboys that have to pick one or the other. I believe that they are so blindly loyal that as soon as games become unplayable on their preferred platform it sucks. Sad.
prinz_valium
Member
Because the games will come to console, pc and mobile day one. Either as a $60 buy option or $10 - 15 a month on Game Pass
That's still 1000 times better than $70 on just Playstation.
That's still 1000 times better than $70 on just Playstation.
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TLZ
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Can you explain this?