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[redmetal86]

Well it's American football game, so no. I think that sports is kinda stupid, when I think of football, it' about kicking ball with your feet, not throwing egg-shaped object to other people and smashing into each other.

Hey, that's prolate spheroid to you!

 

[Balb]

Absolutely, the play-action pass is the most exciting type of play in football. The forward pass enabled broken plays to be converted at a far higher pace. An entire type of play resembling broken plays - the screen - owes its inception to the forward pass.

Learning the rules of football would go a long ways towards helping Europeans like the game, lol. Those "breaks" between plays are highly strategic, clock management is a bigger part of football than any other sport. Once you realize how specific types of plays can manipulate the clock, it all makes more sense.

The dismissal of football is stupid in general. People love making crutch arguments to disparage sports they have no interest in learning about. "Tennis is just hitting a ball back in forth." "Soccer is just people kicking a ball around for 90 minutes." Couldn't be any more obnoxious.

 

[Koren]

Worth noting that the forward pass wasn't originally a part of football. It was invented in 1906, 40 years after the sport had been invented. Prior to then, the only way to advance the ball on offense was by running it on foot.

That's still the rule on rugby (you can kick the ball forward, though)

 

[Krejlooc]

The dismissal of football is stupid in general. People love making crutch arguments to disparage sports they have no interest in learning about. "Tennis is just hitting a ball back in forth." "Soccer is just people kicking a ball around for 90 minutes."

I know it is. It's rooted in all sorts of things beyond the sport itself. It's weird how you'll have people who will play all sorts of games, from platformers to kart racing to JRPG to 4X to everything in between, but they stop at Football (both soccer and gridiron).

There is really nothing wrong with the sport, other than it's overtly American and it's rooted in jock culture. The game itself is actually really exciting.

When hope solo called the Swedes cowards, I figured she must not be a gridiron football fan, because that's precisely a type of strategy in gridiron football - the prevent defense.

That's still the rule on rugby (you can kick the ball forward, though)

Yeah, I know. Rugby is cool as well, I've enjoyed it every time I've caught a match.

 

[Peterc]

Well maybe for US, for EU it would be probably world cup

 

[Trilobit]

Wait - what? So there's pretty much no other sports game than American Football? Not even Ice Hockey. Man that's a disappointment. I suppose I didn't read the list closely enough, but I just presumed that one of the best multiplayer games would be there.

I shalt always remember thou, Fatso and Thinny (Normalino is boring):

 

[Kilrogg]

It certainly has fantastic music. Tecmo Bowl is sad in comparison.

Based Technos. What can ya do against the creators of Double Dragon?
... But then, Tecmo made Ninja Gaiden, so no excuses.

 

[Sapiens]

It's probably one of the most culturally significant nes games. Watch the Bo Knows Espn doc.

 

[Muchi Muchi Pink]

Because it's a great game. Also there's people in Europe who care about American Football.

 

[Bulbasaur]

Replace with this.

I emailed Nintendo about getting this on the eshop, who in turn directed me to some guys in Melbourne who never got back to me.

 

[Cathcart]

It's American Football. That's the answer to your question. Might as well ask about Baseball lol

Right. That's why Rocket League was so popular in the US. Because we all love real world car soccer.

Tecmo Bowl has as much to do with real football as Mario Kart does with Formula 1. It's just a great game.

 

[sld]

It's probably one of the most culturally significant nes games. Watch the Bo Knows Espn doc.

Yes, in the US.

My point though was that it's not significant in any way in Europe. That's why I found it a bit odd they didn't change it to something more relatable to Europeans for the EU release.

Like I said before I'll definitely give it a fair shot, though. There's been a couple of great posts (especially by Krejlooc) that have piqued my interest.

 

[Sapiens]

Yes, in the US.

My point though was that it's not significant in any way in Europe. That's why I found it a bit odd they didn't change it to something more relatable to Europeans for the EU release.

Like I said before I'll definitely give it a fair shot, though. There's been a couple of great posts (especially by Krejlooc) that have piqued my interest.

That's what you get for backing the master system so hard in England and Europe. Nintendo is being passive agressive.

Go drink some more orange drink.

 

[Burai]

Yes, in the US.

My point though was that it's not significant in any way in Europe. That's why I found it a bit odd they didn't change it to something more relatable to Europeans for the EU release.

Like I said before I'll definitely give it a fair shot, though. There's been a couple of great posts (especially by Krejlooc) that have piqued my interest.

If you're talking European significance, Nintendo should have released a Sega Master System II Mini rather than NES.

 

[Ban Puncher]

I emailed Nintendo about getting this on the eshop, who in turn directed me to some guys in Melbourne who never got back to me.

RIP in peace Beam Software Infogrames Melbourne House Atari Melbourne House Krome Studios Melbourne.

 

[sld]

That's what you get for backing the master system so hard in England and Europe. Nintendo is being passive agressive.

Go drink some more orange drink.

lol, I'm Scandinavian. NES was actually huge in this region, although it's quite a small market all in all.

 

[Plinko]

Because it is an iconic game most Americans who had an NES remember fondly.

 

[Neifirst]

Yes, in the US.

My point though was that it's not significant in any way in Europe. That's why I found it a bit odd they didn't change it to something more relatable to Europeans for the EU release.

Like I said before I'll definitely give it a fair shot, though. There's been a couple of great posts (especially by Krejlooc) that have piqued my interest.

On a relative basis, I'd guess the US market is much more important than Europe when it comes to cashing in on NES nostalgia, since the system was so much more popular there in the first place.

 

[sld]

If you're talking European significance, Nintendo should have released a Sega Master System II Mini rather than NES.

Not in Scandinavia and other parts of Europe as well. There's huge regional differences across the different European countries. But I think the UK was a pretty weak market for tje NES.

 

[120v]

i mean, all of us want X game on the thing and its not on there

life's about compromises, man

 

[Sapiens]

lol, I'm Scandinavian. NES was actually huge in this region, although it's quite a small market all in all.

Huge. Scandinavia. So like five people bought scandy rules footy.

 

[TheChewyWaffles]

OP you had to be there. Play Bo Jackson.

 

[Sapiens]

OP you had to be there. Play Bo Jackson.

Bo knows that Scandinavia will learn to love the tecmo bowl.

 

[Kilrogg]

Not in Scandinavia and other parts of Europe as well. There's huge regional differences across the different European countries. But I think the UK was a pretty weak market for tje NES.

Europe was a pretty weak market for the NES in general.

Between countries which pretty much bootlegged the console wholesale - e.g. the Pegasus in Poland -, the fairly strong presence of gaming computers at the time and the generally less-globalized market, it wasn't before the SNES than the Nintendo really established a strong foothold in the European market.

Still, leaving Tecmo Bowl in and not replacing it with another classic for Europe is lazy at best.

 

[SecretSphere]

Not in Scandinavia and other parts of Europe as well. There's huge regional differences across the different European countries. But I think the UK was a pretty weak market for tje NES.

Exactly. In the Netherlands I have never seen a master system, not as a kid and not now in any videogame shops that sell retro stuff.

 

[Ban Puncher]

eff the Master System

 

[Jobbs]

I played the hell out of tecmo bowl as a kid and it was fun as shit!

 

[Big_Al]

On a relative basis, I'd guess the US market is much more important than Europe when it comes to cashing in on NES nostalgia, since the system was so much more popular there in the first place.

Yeah that makes sense. When growing up (UK) I was much more of a Sega fan and they meant more to me than Nintendo did. Only really changed around the release of the SNES where I ended up with both the Mega Drive and the SNES. I don't have personally any fond memories of the NES at all as the machine doesn't mean much to me at all.

 

[Krejlooc]

Yes, in the US.

My point though was that it's not significant in any way in Europe. That's why I found it a bit odd they didn't change it to something more relatable to Europeans for the EU release.

Like I said before I'll definitely give it a fair shot, though. There's been a couple of great posts (especially by Krejlooc) that have piqued my interest.

A huge part of north american football, just like soccer, is the pageantry. Especially college football, which is dripping with it. College football atmosphere is probably the closest equivalent in the US to EPL soccer atmospheres. Fans slinging taunting chants back and forth that are hundreds of years old, rivalries that pre-date states, that sort of things.

It's this pageantry that can make for historic upsets. There are hundreds of college football teams when you account for all levels, and thus an enormous gulf between the best and the worst. That can produce enormous upsets that basically defines the sport: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mowF2nVdsMQ

I don't think Gridiron football will ever be popular outside of North America because it is a really expensive sport. I don't mean that as in the cost per game is expensive, but rather the amount of training and the kind of system that needs to be in place to produce players is extensive. Football wouldn't really work if there wasn't a system in place that began preparing players since before junior high. By the time players enter college, they've already been playing the game sometimes as long as 15 years. Europe has a system in place to produce soccer players through it's club system, but no system in place to produce gridiron players.

Ironically, Mexico is starting to really get into gridiron football, because of the bleed over from Texas and California, two really rich hot beds for football activity. It wouldn't be crazy to see Mexico eventually get an NFL team.

When it all comes together, and you really understand the clock rules, it's such an exciting sport. watching a team scramble to put together a 100-yard drive with the clock ticking down is always exciting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0pIVtjWBx0

College football also has the most exciting overtime rules in all of sport, IMO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odbim7OBZlk

No more clock, no clock management. Each team gets a shot at a redzone offense. After multiple overtimes, they tweak the rules to make scoring even harder.

 

[Dremark]

Exactly. In the Netherlands I have never seen a master system, not as a kid and not now in any videogame shops that sell retro stuff.

You guys missed out then. The Master System was great.

 

[Krejlooc]

You guys missed out then. The Master System was great.

It still is.

 

[sld]

Huge. Scandinavia. So like five people bought scandy rules footy.

I've never argued that Scandinavia is a market as big or as important that the US one is. That's not what the thread was about. So cut the crap, dude.

 

[brawly]

Europe and probably even asia versions should have Nintendo World Cup instead of TB imo.

 

[axisofweevils]

Europe and probably even asia versions should have Nintendo World Cup instead of TB imo.

Yep, I guess the modern equivalent is EU getting Pocket Football (Soccer) Club instead of Rusty's Real Deal Baseball.

 

[Impotaku]

They should get rid of it and replace it with Mr Gimmick, a masterpiece that deserves to be played by everyone but sadly not a lot got to play it.

 

[Heartfyre]

Pretty sure it's called football because it is played on foot, as opposed to horseback. "Football" is a very broad variety of sports. Even what the rest of the world calls football is their shortening of "Association Football"

Also, you should make an effort to actually learn about a sport before you dismiss it in such caustic terms.

That's not the reason. American football developed from the rules of football (soccer) and rugby football. Despite changing so much from the source material, the "football" name stuck culturally and, eventually, officially.

Which is a shame, because you could be calling the sport "gridiron". I don't know why anyone would call a sport something as boring as football when you could be calling it something as memorable as gridiron.

 

[Justinh]

I'd guess because Tecmo Bowl didn't have actual NFL teams while TSB did, and since EA has exclusive rights to the NFL now that rules TSB out.

This is what I assumed the thread would be about before I entered.

I guess... maybe Nintendo thinks this thingy will sell far more in US than elsewhere in the world, so they might as well put in a game that might appeal to US customers over another one that won't?

 

[Dremark]

It still is.

That's true. It's like that old Mitch Hedberg (RIP) joke: "I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to too."

 

[120v]

I guess... maybe Nintendo thinks this thingy will sell far more in US than elsewhere in the world, so they might as well put in a game that might appeal to US customers over another one that won't?

pretty sure they just wanted to streamline the manufacturing

 

[T-0800]

Replace with this.

Out of bounds. On the full.

 

[Robot Pants]

OP hates Walter Payton.

Also the best Tecmo game was Tecmo cup

 

[Dremark]

pretty sure they just wanted to streamline the manufacturing

Probably a combination of both. They could have chosen a more international selection of games or changed them pee market but they chose not to.

However it seems to be literally one game and the one they included is a classic.

 

[Roshin]

Because a whole lot of people absolutely adore the game.

Was tecmo bowl not well received in the eu?

It wasn't poorly received. It's just that no one cared about it.

 

[sld]

OP hates Walter Payton.

Also the best Tecmo game was Tecmo cup

More like "OP's never even heard of Walter Payton", tbh. But I'm sure he's a cool guy

 

[SenkiDala]

If you're talking European significance, Nintendo should have released a Sega Master System II Mini rather than NES.

Even if the SMS was really popular in Europe, the NES was still more popular.

 

[Ozium]

Quality game on its own right...

...As opposed to DK Jr. Would have swapped that one for Wario Woods.

what the hell?

 

[sld]

A huge part of north american football, just like soccer, is the pageantry. Especially college football, which is dripping with it. College football atmosphere is probably the closest equivalent in the US to EPL soccer atmospheres. Fans slinging taunting chants back and forth that are hundreds of years old, rivalries that pre-date states, that sort of things.

It's this pageantry that can make for historic upsets. There are hundreds of college football teams when you account for all levels, and thus an enormous gulf between the best and the worst. That can produce enormous upsets that basically defines the sport: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mowF2nVdsMQ

I don't think Gridiron football will ever be popular outside of North America because it is a really expensive sport. I don't mean that as in the cost per game is expensive, but rather the amount of training and the kind of system that needs to be in place to produce players is extensive. Football wouldn't really work if there wasn't a system in place that began preparing players since before junior high. By the time players enter college, they've already been playing the game sometimes as long as 15 years. Europe has a system in place to produce soccer players through it's club system, but no system in place to produce gridiron players.

Ironically, Mexico is starting to really get into gridiron football, because of the bleed over from Texas and California, two really rich hot beds for football activity. It wouldn't be crazy to see Mexico eventually get an NFL team.

When it all comes together, and you really understand the clock rules, it's such an exciting sport. watching a team scramble to put together a 100-yard drive with the clock ticking down is always exciting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0pIVtjWBx0

College football also has the most exciting overtime rules in all of sport, IMO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odbim7OBZlk

No more clock, no clock management. Each team gets a shot at a redzone offense. After multiple overtimes, they tweak the rules to make scoring even harder.

Interesting post, thanks! I like the fact that it seems so much more strategic than it looks like at first glance. I should watch a game sometime, only problem's that it's basically impossible to find American Football on Swedish tv channels. But I guess there's always YT.

 

[woopWOOP]

Yeah, that seems like an odd ass choice with international markets in mind. Doubt I'll boot it up more than once for curiosity's sake, but it's hard to be down on it with the list of other games on that thing.

 

[Nostremitus]

I don't know... But if an SNES mini comes out, it better have Super Play Action Football.

 

[SpaceDrake]

Yeah, I guess it's too much work to replace the team graphics with generic lookalikes. Shame.

For a 25+-year-old game with no source code and running on a processor that is no longer manufactured? You bet your ass it'd be far more work than it's worth.

Anyway, yeah, I guess our Euro friends wouldn't really understand, but Tecmo Bowl was, especially for the generation of Americans who were NES Kids in the 80s, a cornerstone video game. It was the first truly fun sports game, and it played fast enough to make it a fun party/hang-out-with-friends game. Even years and decades later, I still encounter people who remember it fondly and even play it from time to time.

It is an utter no-brainer for inclusion in the lineup for the NES Classic. Frankly I'd rather grouse about what's missing...

(mumble dragon warrior 3 mumble)