Yeah but it doesn't push much, being a technological marvel. It looks insanely good yet runs great on my FX6300/R9 280x combo :lol
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Why isn't anyone making a visually ground breaking "Crysis" game?
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Yeah but it doesn't push much, being a technological marvel. It looks insanely good yet runs great on my FX6300/R9 280x combo :lol
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Star Citizen is that game, but we can only guess when it will be available as a complete game.
RipperGrim
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Go try and play games like Arkham knight in 4k @60fps. Pretty sure most games nowadays at 4k is pushing hardware to it's limits.
Also this, there are some visually astounding games that are out and others that are coming and we still get threads asking why graphics aren't good anymore, I mean in the Uncharted 4 demo the rice bags Drake was hiding behind deformed to the bullets hitting and rice fell out of the holes in the bad, it's fucking crazy!
Also this, there are some visually astounding games that are out and others that are coming and we still get threads asking why graphics aren't good anymore, I mean in the Uncharted 4 demo the rice bags Drake was hiding behind deformed to the bullets hitting and rice fell out of the holes in the bad, it's fucking crazy!
viveks86
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Certain? I guess there is no debate to be had when one uses such words for an ambitious work in progress that one has no control over. You have faith. I do too, though probably not to the same extent. But nothing is certain!
For the GAF crowd, of course! Which is loud but ultimately tiny.
SmokedMeat
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Seeing what has and is being accomplished with so called weak netbook CPUs and $100 GPUs, there's no doubt in my mind nobody is truly taking full advantage of those expensive PC GPUs.
Certain? I guess there is no debate to be had when one uses such words for an ambitious work in progress that one has no control over. You have faith. I do too, though probably not to the same extent. But nothing is certain!
They already showed stuff that isnt implemented yet in builds players can play.
And talked about lot more, some that comes with CryEngine 3.8 integration.
Parhelion69
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I tried Star Citizen when it some of its components were free for about a week on my GTX 970 (maybe that was 3 months ago?), and I can't say I was amazed by its graphics... I thought I'd be left speechless in the same way the first time I saw Crysis the first time, but it wasn't...
Star Citizen looks great, that's for sure. But it's not something that gapes you in awe. I can't even say it's shoulders above current or soon to be released games.
I was very disappointed to say the least. Sorry to Star Citizen fans, but it's hardly the thing some people are trying to make it be. Because at the moment, it's not the new crysis.
Star Citizen looks great, that's for sure. But it's not something that gapes you in awe. I can't even say it's shoulders above current or soon to be released games.
I was very disappointed to say the least. Sorry to Star Citizen fans, but it's hardly the thing some people are trying to make it be. Because at the moment, it's not the new crysis.
Sir_Crocodile
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Aside from the huge costs in next-gen graphics, game makers also don't push graphics any more or leave "future" graphic settings in PC games because of the backlash they receive when people can't nearly max out settings on a single 970/980 or something similar at 1080p. I don't understand the mentality where people get upset because they can on only run the game on high instead of ultra or refuse to go lower than ultra and then complain to no end to everyone that they aren't getting 60 fps. The only time that's a legitimate complaint is when the graphics are mediocre/sub-par yet the game still runs very poorly on mid to high end cards.
Certain? I guess there is no debate to be had when one uses such words for an ambitious work in progress that one has no control over. You have faith. I do too, though probably not to the same extent. But nothing is certain!
While it's certainly possible that some stuff might get cut for some reason, it's not like that would make the difference be as big as some of the huge downgrades we've seen recently. We are already playing it, it exists and will continue to improve in a lot of ways.
The game will still improve graphically for quite some time (how big or small those changes might be remains to be seen) and if something is so demanding that it makes the game run bad they can just add an option to turn it off. It's not like they will force everyone to run it maxed out. A big part of the pitch for the game was to build a game that will push (future) high-end PC's beyond anything we've seen so far.
As long as they give the players a lot of graphic options, they can add features that are really demanding and won't run on most PC's if they want to since the player could just turn it off.
The Baron Count
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Unfortunately I think this is an issue with the internet in general. Everyone has a voice so everyone feels their opinion is valid and can't be wrong which couldn't be farther from the truth.
The amount of armchair developers I see commenting in tech discussions who have no idea what the hell they are talking about is astonishing.
It's always surprising to me that in a tech driven industry like this, people still refuse to educate themselves. In my mind if you don't actually know anything about a topic, it's incredibly rude and disruptive to go and pretend you do. Wish more people would ask questions instead of thinking they have some knowledge they don't.
There are so many hilarious/sad examples of this. The whole GDDR5 PS4 thing was certainly one of the more recent ones. You had people going nuts who probably didn't have the slightest idea what RAM was even responsible for.
And the best example for this thread in particular would be Crysis. I don't even know how many times I saw people say this console game and that looked better throughout last gen. I used to post on a PS3 forum back in the day and I distinctly remember a thread comparing the visuals of COD4, Killzone 2 and Crysis as if those were all somehow comparable. Just insane ignorance abound.
old manatee
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Crysis probably didn't look that great in alpha either.
All of the PC gamers I know also game on consoles, so they are less likely to end up as ignorant and myopic as a console only gamer.
It's like trying to talk about movies with people who only watch movies released by one of the major studios.
MidgarBlowedUp
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Download Autodesk Maya
Create a polygon cube
Add subdivisions exponentially until the thing locks up.
Congrats.
Create a polygon cube
Add subdivisions exponentially until the thing locks up.
Congrats.
Chill Penguin
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Just...no. PS4 was on the scale of a mid level pc when it released. Now it's more on the mid-low end. You don't want to hear this but PS4 and xbone are from the same generation tech. There have been multiple pc generations since.
Cizeta-Moroder
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Not financially feasible in this day and age!
spons
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The HD 7870-based GPU in the PS4 is hardly mid to low end. Granted, it's not a Titan X in SLI, but realistically speaking, barely anyone owns such a setup.
It is a shame that we don't see a lot of projects on PC really taking advantage of the power, but it is fully understandable.
Look at the Steam GPU survey results, 4 of the top 6 GPUs are Intel HD Graphics (or about 11.5% of steam users).
I am not going to go through the trouble, but I would GUESS that less than 15% of Steam's entire player-base is even at console level performance, let alone above it.
The thing that holds back computer game performance is the fragmentation of the platform. When you develop a game for PC, developers need to try to include as many potential customers as is possible to justify cost. So they HAVE to develop games to work for 5+ year old hardware. If anything the PS4/XBONE are driving computer gaming forward, not holding it back.
Look at the Steam GPU survey results, 4 of the top 6 GPUs are Intel HD Graphics (or about 11.5% of steam users).
I am not going to go through the trouble, but I would GUESS that less than 15% of Steam's entire player-base is even at console level performance, let alone above it.
The thing that holds back computer game performance is the fragmentation of the platform. When you develop a game for PC, developers need to try to include as many potential customers as is possible to justify cost. So they HAVE to develop games to work for 5+ year old hardware. If anything the PS4/XBONE are driving computer gaming forward, not holding it back.
It is less than a 7870. Which most certainly is mid-low end these days.
The Baron Count
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It wasn't and still isn't low end no, but it is decidedly mid range. Where exactly it falls on the mid range scale really depends on your perspective. Many people separate high end and enthusiast level cards in their mind. Some don't consider the $600 cards on the market enthusiast parts.
This is true of course, and to be honest it was mostly PS3 gamers saying these things at the time. I guess that fanbase had a bit of a complex from all the marketing bullshit Sony had spewed at them. Though I will say, some of the things that system pulled off were absolutely unbelievable.
ShutterMunster
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The Witcher 3 running on ULTRA is not in the same league as The Order. The Witcher 3 looks like a really nice video game no matter how many graphics cards you throw at it. The Order looks photo real in spots.
They're doing very different things, The Witcher 3 being open world and all, but in terms of pure visual fidelity and graphical prowess there isn't a game out right now that touches it.
Star Citizen seems to be the next "Balls to the wall, your PC will crumble trying to run this" PC game to hit the market.
Gunmonkey36
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Have you heard of a thing called money?
UnrealEck
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The videos and screenshots as well as what we know of what's planned for the game are very impressive.
If you can think of something else more impressive than SC's sum, I'd like to know what it is.
ChronotriggerJM
Member
It gets to a point where art and vision disrupt the impact of mind blowing graphics. As others have mentioned, max out the Witcher 3, leave hair works or whatever it's called on, modify the files so everything is permanently LOD 0, and watch your pc have a seizure lol.
There's plenty of games out there that can blow up your pc with minimal effort.
Now if you're referring to bleeding edge animation work and such, that becomes a different story, and consoles actually compete well here.
There's plenty of games out there that can blow up your pc with minimal effort.
Now if you're referring to bleeding edge animation work and such, that becomes a different story, and consoles actually compete well here.
I think people providing counter points with games from the last couple years are failing to remember just how far ahead Crysis looked up to its release and a couple years after. It did all that in a game with gigantic levels as well. Obviously we have games that look better now, but I fail to see anything that so thoroughly destroys its contemporaries as Crysis did.
Jonneh3003
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The market for a high end PC exclusive probably isn't there these days, Indies and steam have created a new race of PC gamers but how many of them have top end powerhouses? I agree though I want a game to push hardware.
copelandmaster
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The PS4 responses in this thread are sad. A $200 GPU surpass the PS4, why do you think a $650 dollar GPU would have a problem? OP is looking for a PC game.
OT: Which of the following would justify a GTX 980ti?
A) Upgrade monitor. Take any game. Shoot for 120hz/144hz, 90% of the time.
B) Upgrade monitor/Downsample. Take any game. Pick a resolution. 2560x1440 - 7680x4320, anything around there.
C) Pick a NVIDIA Gameworks title, a title with tessellation, or a title with TressFX. Turn on feature(s).
D) Graphics/Physics mods.
E) All/more than one of the above.
Answer:
OT: Which of the following would justify a GTX 980ti?
A) Upgrade monitor. Take any game. Shoot for 120hz/144hz, 90% of the time.
B) Upgrade monitor/Downsample. Take any game. Pick a resolution. 2560x1440 - 7680x4320, anything around there.
C) Pick a NVIDIA Gameworks title, a title with tessellation, or a title with TressFX. Turn on feature(s).
D) Graphics/Physics mods.
E) All/more than one of the above.
Answer:
Ask your mom
nycgamer4ever
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I'm not trying to be jaded but I'm not sure why I should be impress with these screens. NOt much going on in these screens.
MidgarBlowedUp
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PC's need a raytrace button.
Tired of your game running at 4k 60fps on ultra?
Press the raytrace button and play your game at a mind blowing 480p 25fps.
Tired of your game running at 4k 60fps on ultra?
Press the raytrace button and play your game at a mind blowing 480p 25fps.
ChronotriggerJM
Member
This is a recipe for hardware stress. Do this OP.
Pestilence11
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Of course that would happen. "My $1000 video card can't even run it at 30 fps at a mix of high and ultra!? wtf kind of optimization is this!?"
Canis lupus
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The same reason Witcher 3 isn't exclusive and target enthusiast cards as a baseline. "ultra grafix" is a niche market. Pretty much the only place you'll see a "Crysis"" like is with big budget AAA console devs like Naughty Dog.
The Order 1886 is currently the best looking game
The Order 1886 is currently the best looking game
BadAss2961
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Looking at the content provided in this thread, i'm not seeing it either.
wkureservedp2
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How has making these types of games worked out for Crytek?
Cave Johnson
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Star Citizen. Everything I'm hearing about that game is like Crysis dialled up to 11. No no no, let me repeat that:
Crysis Warhead, dialled up to 11.
Crysis Warhead, dialled up to 11.
Ganzlinger
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I love graphics.
But I am not dying to see something mindblowing. AC Unity, The Order 1886 and Driveclub are looking gorgeous enough to me and we are just at the start of this generation. Just enjoy the games, man. The graphics will continue to improve.
But I am not dying to see something mindblowing. AC Unity, The Order 1886 and Driveclub are looking gorgeous enough to me and we are just at the start of this generation. Just enjoy the games, man. The graphics will continue to improve.
OP is asking for a PC game. No matter how good you think The Order looks, it's irrelevant to this thread.
BadAss2961
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This is my favorite shot in the game. I stayed in that corridor for like 15 minutes and couldn't believe it. A screenshot doesn't do it justice.
Dictator93
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Games tend to show off their interactive complexity in motion:
old ac video
or you can just go back a page to the damage system video-
Sorry I forgot to tick the realistic graphics box. I got you covered though.
It could use some more baked shadow maps and Gaussian on the gun model. But I think they basically achieved myopia. Quite a feat for a game in alpha.
Dictator93
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begun the gif wars have.
Too bad gifs cover up all minute detail and are completely useless for actual technical discussion usually.
Solid Samus
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I really don't get what people get out of this game's visuals. I'm not saying it doesn't look good, but it is a linear game that runs at 30fps and a letterboxed resolution, whereas even with games that don't target enthusiast cards as a baseline, visuals like this are possible, at higher resolution and/or framerate (which contribute to fidelity) -
Witcher 3
Assassin's Creed Unity
And in Star Citizen's case, it's a game directly targeting such enthusiast hardware, and I'd argue that even now it's a better looking game than The Order -
Giant Panda
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Diminishing returns are why newer graphics aren't going to be quite the leap that Crysis was. We've been seeming some nice incremental improvements and that's what we'll continue yo get.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
Why do people actually want games that are so graphically "advanced" that the vast majority of PC gamers can't actually enjoy them as intended until years later when they're no longer graphically impressive? They always just wind up way less optimized versions of graphically equivalent games that come along more organically a couple years later...