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Why isn't Breaking Bad season 5 criticized more?

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sappyday

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It's been two years and most here would agree that Breaking Bad was great. However, I find it weird that no one really talks about S5. Sort of like how many pretty much shit talk s5 of The Wire.


S5 was pretty bad. It had a hard time trying to create any plot interest after the Gus/Walt arc. Walt went full bad with some ridicilous moments such as "I'm in the empire business" or "Say my name." All cringe worthy moments. Also two over the top heists with a magnet and a train. Killing Mike seemed out of nowhere and felt it was done just to have a major death. And making Todd and Aryan as the final hoop that Walt had to sort of overcome (not saying they're the big bad. The big bad was Walt himself but the show didn't need to introduce the Aryan group especially if they're not going to get much development).

The first half was focused entirely on wanting to make Walt into an actual Scarface type. It was so rapid since Vince was trying to accomplish it in only 8 episodes. It's like they sort of remembered "oh shit we only have 8 more episodes and we need start his downfall." So they just decide that Hank figures it out while taking a shit. Chalking it up to "Oh Breaking you so silly" seems to disregard how sloppy the whole thing was.

Then the second half drags on. You can only need to watch episode 9 and then skip to Ozymandias. Everything between felt unimportant. Episode "Rabid Dog" was so boring and the definition of dragging it on.

My favorite episode by far of the season was "Granite State" because it's the moment were we finally see him in another state (literally and metaphorically). All his decisions finally caught up to him. It's great seeing him in the state of vulnerability again. My problem with it was the time jump. It wasn't needed. I felt like the sole reason for it was because they decided to do a flash forward in the first episode of S5.

Finally, the finale. I still don't know how I feel about it. It wasn't bad but it wasn't remarkable. Jesse's arc felt complete, he was the one I was most invested in. Walt dying by a bullet seems iffy. Still wish he would of died alone with the cancer taking him out. Still, it was an okay finale that didn't try to do anything spectualar but to just end the story. Unfortunately, the story lost it's way by S5.


Still great series. In my top 3 still. But I'm just curious if I'm the only one who feels this way about the final season.
 
Why would it be criticized?

It was amazing. I mean, you weren't that impressed, but it seems like the majority of fans pretty much loved it.

I think the Aryan group was representative of how far he'd fallen. This once great Emperor reduced to hashing out a deal in a junkyard with pieces of shit before killing everyone. Going from the man who owned everything (Gus) to the dredges on the street.
 
Probably because it was fantastic

The first half was focused entirely on wanting to make Walt into an actual Scarface type. It was so rapid since Vince was trying to accomplish it in only 8 episodes. It's like they sort of remembered "oh shit we only have 8 more episodes and we need start his downfall." So they just decide that Hank figures it out while taking a shit. Chalking it up to "Oh Breaking you so silly" seems to disregard how sloppy the whole thing was.

That's one of the themes of the show is small mistakes causing big consequences. That kind of stuff happens all the time on the show. It was slightly sloppy because so much would have to add up for it to be actually meaningful to anyone. Basically only Hank could have had all the information to connect those dots.
 
Because it's the perfect finale?

It's not supposed to have an interesting character dynamic it's literally the end of a man. You're watching Walter White die.
 
I agree. Looking back, there was a bit of wasted potential in that final season IMO. Ozymandias was a fantastic episode, but they could have done more with kingpin Walt.
 
I agree with you for the most part but I think they did the best that they could to wrap things up. Whether or not everything needed to be wrapped up as cleanly as it was is up for debate, though.
 
The Nazis were unquestionably poor antagonists. It felt like they needed characters that were villainous even compared to Walt and the best answer they could come up with was "literal Nazis."

The finale was also a bit too predictable - it felt like they were going through checkboxes and ticking them off. "Closure for Grey Matter, check. Closure with Skyler, check. Closure with Jesse, check." etc. The execution was mostly good, though.
 
Both Breaking Bad and The Wire peaked in season 4. But that doesn't mean their fifth seasons were bad, just not as masterful as their fourth seasons.
 
Finally, the finale. I still don't know how I feel about it. It wasn't bad but it wasn't remarkable. Jesse's arc felt complete, he was the one I was most invested in. Walt dying by a bullet seems iffy. Still wish he would of died alone with the cancer taking him out. Still, it was an okay finale that didn't try to do anything spectualar but to just end the story. Unfortunately, the story lost it's way by S5.

That's because Ozymandias was the climax of the series and the following two episodes were the resolution of the series.

You know, like how a good book doesn't have the climax in the last ten pages and then the story ends just as the actions is finished, Breaking Bad has two full episodes completing and showing the damage and pain and resolution to everyone Walter has been in contact with (who is alive).

Breaking Bad is a fucking blue print on how to end a series.
 
Whilst Series 5 wasnt perfect, despite producing my best final 3 episodes in a show I've ever seen, this bit...

Walt went full bad with some ridicilous moments such as "I'm in the empire business" or "Say my name." All cringe worthy moments.

They were, but I felt they were intentionally so because that's who Walt was. He was a man who, through the events of Series 4, become the top man. The man who had it all and his cringe inducing things like this was reflective of cracks in the facade of a humble teacher who was pretending / trying to play the part still of an evil genius.

Granite State still the finest episode of the show and in the GOAT. That bar scene at the end.
He's out for the count. The police are coming. He has no fight left. Then he hears someone dare say his contribution was nothing...

Equally the first episode of the back half with Hanks reaction set to Word Mule was amazing
 
I thought Season 5 was a really good followup to the Gus arc. I mean, where do you go from there? If I were a writer, I would have been at a total loss. And yet S5 delivered some intimidating new villains and took the characters to interesting places. Plus the finale did justice to the story, and Walt, and the people whose lives he affected. I liked the season a lot.
 
The Nazis were unquestionably poor antagonists. It felt like they needed characters that were villainous even compared to Walt and the best answer they could come up with was "literal Nazis."

The finale was also a bit too predictable - it felt like they were going through checkboxes and ticking them off. "Closure for Grey Matter, check. Closure with Skyler, check. Closure with Jesse, check." etc. The execution was mostly good, though.

I have no problem with the ending of the series being exactly what you predicted. That's what made it cathartic.

Too many writers get tripped up on the landing by trying to "out think" the audience.
 
Probably because it was fantastic



That's one of the themes of the show is small mistakes causing big consequences. That kind of stuff happens all the time on the show. It was slightly sloppy because so much would have to add up for it to be actually meaningful to anyone. Basically only Hank could have had all the information to connect those dots.

True but the way it was done felt sloppy. Having Hank figure it out a few months later (there was a mini time skip in episode 8) after pretty much letting go of the case and Walt retiring the business (something else I didn't like) but then to stumble upon in it a book with no intention of finding it.
 
I watched the entire first season and the last episode. I couldn't see it going down a good road for too long. I've known people who have done meth, been in their home, knew they were scared of the Feds bursting in at any moment, etc etc...

I was into it, but I couldn't commit. I found out what happen to a few of the cast along the way by its own wiki page. Otherwise I stayed away. I don't do well unless I'm absolutely positive I am going to enjoy it.

I didn't watch Game of Thrones either. I saw one episode of The Walking Dead. The Nerdist and people over the Internet loved those shows. I can watch something that long, but it's gotta be good. I had a bad mind frame about TV shows. Before all this was Lost and Heroes. I'd thought all TV was censored imaginative ideas of what they couldn't make into a movie. Maybe someday I'll catch up on all these shows, well except maybe Breaking Bad. I watched all two seasons of Twin Peaks and I loved the show to pieces.
 
Well it did air alongside the final season of Dexter, so it could only look masterful in comparison.

Then there's the fact it actually was phenomenal.
 
Those first two posts nail it.

I've been rewatching this - for the fourth time - and tonight just finished episode 11 of season 5, and I can't disagree more. There's a lot to not care for but that's just by BB standards; By typical television and drama standards it's all top notch.

Also the acting, music, how everyone's stories wrap up... Season five was amazing.

True but the way it was done felt sloppy. Having Hank figure it out a few months later (there was a mini time skip in episode 8) after pretty much letting go of the case and Walt retiring the business (something else I didn't like) but then to stumble upon in it a book with no intention of finding it.

Walt's ego pushed Hank back on the case and personally I found the whole idea - as stated how small things have big consequences - to be fantastic, it was such a simple but sloppy mistake.
 
Imo the second half of the season was the best part of the entire show even when the finale was not amazing. And I enjoyed the first half too.
 
I have no problem with the ending of the series being exactly what you predicted. That's what made it cathartic.

Too many writers get tripped up on the landing by trying to "out think" the audience.

Exactly, it had it's penultimate moment then ended with how he ruined every single person he'd ever had prolonged contact withs lives.

The audience needed that catharsis because, and this is important, Walt is the VILLAIN. A tragic villain, but a villain. We needed to see his fall after we watched his rise.
 
I watched the entire first season and the last episode. I couldn't see it going down a good road for too long. I've known people who have done meth, been in their home, knew they were scared of the Feds bursting in at any moment, etc etc...

I was into it, but I couldn't commit. I found out what happen to a few of the cast along the way by its own wiki page. Otherwise I stayed away. I don't do well unless I'm absolutely positive I am going to enjoy it.

I didn't watch Game of Thrones either. I saw one episode of The Walking Dead. The Nerdist and people over the Internet loved those shows. I can watch something that long, but it's gotta be good. I had a bad mind frame about TV shows. Before all this was Lost and Heroes. I'd thought all TV was censored imaginative ideas of what they couldn't make into a movie. Maybe someday I'll catch up on all these shows, well except maybe Breaking Bad. I watched all two seasons of Twin Peaks and I loved the show to pieces.
What an awful way to ruin your experience. Breaking Bad is one of the most consistently great shows I've ever seen. It is absolutely worth the commitment to watch every episode. No question.

Oh, and Season 1 is probably the weakest season.
 
What an awful way to ruin your experience. Breaking Bad is one of the most consistently great shows I've ever seen.

I had an awful time with the actual drug. I had been in a hurtful relationship where we had known some meth heads. Then there was the nation watching a TV show religiously about a meth dealer. I didn't care to watch a popular TV show about something I had witnessed destroy my own life as an influence.

I personally would like to see something else take the spot. No offense, but I'm happy I didn't sit it out.
 
Because it's the perfect finale?
Goodness gracious! The finale of The Shield is unmatched. It's not even a competition.

I'd never understood how more people weren't annoyed by the large number of contrivances on the show. The endings of seasons 2 and 4 almost kept me from coming back. I really, really didn't like either.
 
I had an awful time with the actual drug. I had been in a hurtful relationship where we had known some meth heads. Then there was the nation watching a TV show religiously about a meth dealer. I didn't care to watch a popular TV show about something I had witnessed destroy my own life as an influence.

I personally would like to see something else take the spot. No offense, but I'm happy I didn't sit it out.

You do realize that it's not at all glorifying Walter White and meth, right?

Breaking Bad VERY MUCH SO paints Meth as a horrible thing and Walt as a bad person. Skipping everything past season one basically ensured you'd never see that.
 
I had an awful time with the actual drug. I had been in a hurtful relationship where we had known some meth heads. Then there was the nation watching a TV show religiously about a meth dealer. I didn't care to watch a popular TV show about something I had witnessed destroy my own life as an influence.

I personally would like to see something else take the spot. No offense, but I'm happy I didn't sit it out.
That's understandable then. Hope you're in a better place now.

That said, Breaking Bad definitely doesn't glamorize meth or meth dealers. Far from it.
 
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That's why.
 
I understand where you're coming from OP. I had similar thought in the first half of S5. But it clicked for me once you think about who Walter White was. And for some people, once you could no longer deny that Walt is a villain, it was no longer a show they wanted to watch.
 
The show was riddled with coincidence after coincidence as a device for story telling. From Saul knowing everything about every useful person and having a solution to any possible dilemma as soon as you call him, to Walt's actions leading to a plane crashing near his pool (lol), to as you mentioned what should have been the biggest moment in the whole show (discovering Walt is Heisenberg) happened while Hank was taking a shit. While I really enjoyed watching the show the first time, the more I think back on it, the more I realize I would never enjoy a repeat viewing.
 
Mostly agree on all points, but for me the whole end half was at least enjoyable. First half was just like watching dinner theater go through the motions for the hundredth time. I thought the writing for Walt in that first half was so bad I was starting to wonder if Cranston could even carry it.

In all honesty, I would have preferred the series end at the end of Season 4, but 5 had some good episodes, so eh.

Also, personally I really liked the finale.
 
It was good, but Jesse was ruined for me. He became nothing but bitchin' and snitchin'.

Jesse's role was great. He had some key moments of importance in the story, but otherwise his effort is in trying to have even 1% of control in his life and the situation overall. Toward the end of the series things got so completely batshit insane that it had spun completely out of his control, and Jesse focused on trying to make it out alive with what little humanity he had left.
 
That's understandable then. Hope you're in a better place now.

That said, Breaking Bad definitely doesn't glamorize meth or meth dealers. Far from it.

That was in high school, but I remember the light bulbs being manipulated to smoke it. The smell and the disgusting remarks I got about it being gross. It was just something to remember and also forget. I see that, but I fear women in general hate the word or anything associated to it. I just had to learn from that and move on. It wouldn't be too bad going back, but for a time I had what a SO would say if they thought you did meth behind their backs.

It's a degrading drug if you ask me. It degrades your health, your looks, and your relationships. That only happened over the course of a year, but I can recall it like it was yesterday. Once you smell it and see their faces it's like a nightmare during the day, they're showing up to your house, you see them out in public, and it's like freaks walking among men. Thanks for understanding.
 
Season 5 Part 1 was pretty meh. Weakest season for me, easily.
But Season 5 Part 2 was pretty good.
I think a timeskip to season 5 part 2 might've worked better. Season 5 part 1 just felt really rushed.
 
Season 5 Part 1 was pretty meh. Weakest season for me, easily.
But Season 5 Part 2 was pretty good.
I think a timeskip to season 5 part 2 might've worked better. Season 5 part 1 just felt really rushed.

It's difficult.. I agree S5 Part 1 was the weakest, but it was needed and necessary IMO to show Walt actually living and breathing being the top dog. Whether you thought his speeches cringe or what have you, Season 1-4 was his climb from the bottom to the top and S5 part 2 was his downfall and (debatablely) a semi redemption / embracing his self and defeat.

You needed some breathing room of him being at the top, earning his fortune and his attempts to 'be' Gus. Rightly or wrongly, this was S5 Part 1
 
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