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why isnt ps5 bc with ps1, ps2, ps3
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MastaKiiLA
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You know neither the costs nor the benefits involved. I don't know if they tried or not, but I know that some basic math has to go into proving it's viable and worth attempting, before you ever try. So, if they never tried (like you conclude), then you should also conclude that it's because the math didn't make it a worthwhile venture. Basically, what they'd make off it wouldn't be worth the investment in the technology (HW/SW) required.
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Put PS3 aside:
A lack of creativity in business. Sony can't see how to make money selling their first party catalog to people at $5 a PS1, $10 a PS2 title. I would imagine hiring some interns on a summer project is money they write off as marketing and PR along with the small chance they can grab a future developer cheaper. They could also use that business acumen to have said developers spend 3 weeks turning on an emulator for the device.
Having that emulator run discs as a PR win is just too above their head. A shame.
A lack of creativity in business. Sony can't see how to make money selling their first party catalog to people at $5 a PS1, $10 a PS2 title. I would imagine hiring some interns on a summer project is money they write off as marketing and PR along with the small chance they can grab a future developer cheaper. They could also use that business acumen to have said developers spend 3 weeks turning on an emulator for the device.
Having that emulator run discs as a PR win is just too above their head. A shame.
alabtrosMyster
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They still could, MS does it on their store and they get good PR from the few that still have their old discs laying around.
If Sony was to do it tho I would expect them to allow ALL games, so it's actual BC, I know they could do it for PS1/2, and maybe that for the PS3 they would need a solution similar to what MS does for the og xbox and 360 (re-compile the old binary, then support a small number of games from the old library)... All these solutions would allow them to sell more old games on their store, which they already do for the PS2.
Anyway, disc based BC doesn't mean much when people buy the digital only PS5.
sunnysideup
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John Wick
Member
Depend if developers and publishers want their cut too?
GaviotaGrande
Banned
You mean physical releases of games on PC? In Europe you can still get a lot of games on disc but sadly it's a dying medium.
Will happen to consoles eventually too. Difference is, on PC I will be able to play my entire catalogue of games spanning few decades on 1 device. I like that.
sunnysideup
Banned
I prefer physical releases. Thats why im still on console.
But if i have to invest in digital future. I sure as hell would not do so on sony fickle platform. Clearly pc is the only place which treats its legacy titles properly.
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AgentP
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- Development or licensing costs.
- Testing time, there are a lot of games and emulation is typically on a per title basis.
- Security issues, they don't want backdoors into their OS for hacking.
- Demand - they have internal polling data, it is likely the demand is low and the risk/resources are not a good trade-off.
graywolf323
Member
yeah people definitely forget about the licensing issues, that's a factor with 360/OG Xbox games BC on XB1/Series
sunnysideup
Banned
Licensing issues is resolved by the publisher. Naturally.
GaviotaGrande
Banned
Yep. I switched to PC only 2 years before the last gen ended and actually re-purchased a lot of games from that gen on PC to be sure that I can always play the best version.
Like you said: PC is the only safe place if you care about the future of your existing library.
DunDunDunpachi
Banned
I asked myself the same question and decided not to buy one. My PS2 and PS3 both get weekly -- if not daily -- use.
GrayFoxPL
Member
Framerate during actual gameplay = 13-15fps
Guy reviewing: "It's playable. I'm not being frustrated right now."
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
You get it all wrong.
People want what Sony gives, not the other way around.
Many people who are against it dislikes it because the competition has they don't.
The same people would see it as a major advantage in an argument if Sony had this feature while the competition didn't.
Sony have imprinted that being consumer friendly etc doesn't mean shit. The only thing that matters are new games. Fuck your old library.
And the mentality shows on some people around the net, including here.
Yes, bc is a requested feature. But when one person says it could be great to play previous games white knights comes charging saying games older than six months should be thrown into the trash bin.
All while we get remasters instead of being able to play the games you already bought.
The only thing to do is, no matter what platform you are on, if you are unsatisfied with the company not giving you what you want, then there's the open platform pc, where you can play games back to the beginning of the platform if you want to. Also several different console platforms.
As long as Sony is dominant like they are with no real competition at all, then don't expect them to anything else than pump new single player games out.
After all, it's everything ps players seems to care about when you read posts in here.
And that's fine. It's good they have this platform to play on. But for everyone else they should simply just give up and go somewhere else cus it's ain't gonna change.
For the better or worse depending on the reader.
justiceiro
Marlboro: Other M
If I remember correctly, ps5 can't read CDs, right?
John Wick
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While making an emulator would be quite easy for Sony it's the relations between developers and publishers could be soured if they don't get a cut as well? Licencing issues as well.
mcjmetroid
Member
Agreed, there really is no excuse.
fart town usa
Banned
It doesn't look terrible with component. Just have to tweak your TV settings, but that's applicable to any game if you're OCD with video. I generally run my PS2 in S-Video but I did try out RE4 in progressive scan last year and it actually looks pretty good.
John Wick
Member
Except Sony did offer backward compatability upto PS3. Maybe in that time they've realised it's not that important or profitable. PS5 has backwards compatibility with PS4 so some of your points sound dumb.
Shadowstar39
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They didn't have it on ps4 either. In fact you couldn't even play audio CDs on the ps4, and probably not on the ps5 either. I know one of the things i though odd was the lack of CD support, i noticed it when i bought the ps4 back in 2013 that it lacked the Compact Disc logo on the box. All ps1 games were CD. That throughs that out the window if Sony refuses to licesne the tech. DVD and bluray is supported so that shouldn't be a thing for ps2/ps3.
PS2 support should be easy but they want to resell games as they have digitally. PS3 games have the cell crazyness which is hard to emulate.
Really though they should at least put ps1/ps2/psp/vita support into the box. It would be amazing. Ps3 would be great too, but i dont see it coming. I still own my ps2/ps3 so can play the games i own for it, but its a pain gettintg the ps3 up and running (plus analog sticks are goopy and bluetooth/wifi no longer works, ps2 still flawless, but less to break there).
If they ever do offer BC for these platforms, expect digital only. Although i would hope your psp/vita/ps3 digital ps1 classics would still work.
PS2 support should be easy but they want to resell games as they have digitally. PS3 games have the cell crazyness which is hard to emulate.
Really though they should at least put ps1/ps2/psp/vita support into the box. It would be amazing. Ps3 would be great too, but i dont see it coming. I still own my ps2/ps3 so can play the games i own for it, but its a pain gettintg the ps3 up and running (plus analog sticks are goopy and bluetooth/wifi no longer works, ps2 still flawless, but less to break there).
If they ever do offer BC for these platforms, expect digital only. Although i would hope your psp/vita/ps3 digital ps1 classics would still work.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Sony offered bc. Because of complications with shitty hardware they no longer do.
You can't call ps5 bc with ps4, it's literally the same system with better hardware.
Thats like saying amd ryzen is bc with previous amd hardware.
Hypereides
Member
I honestly think its ridiculous. The fanboys defending this are equally as ludicrous.
One of the reasons I reckon it didn't really catch on with the PS3, or with the PS4's digital PS2 back catalogue for that matter, was that Sony barely made an effort to promote it. Heck, there are even people still today who are finding out that all PS3 models were BC with the PS1 for instance. Plus, when you got a guy like Jim Ryan in charge who has openly expressed his disdain for older games, or probably doesn't play games either, then it becomes apparent as to why the PS5 doesn't uphold Playstation's heritage and legacy. Its not that they can't afford to do it, its just that they don't want to.
One of the reasons I reckon it didn't really catch on with the PS3, or with the PS4's digital PS2 back catalogue for that matter, was that Sony barely made an effort to promote it. Heck, there are even people still today who are finding out that all PS3 models were BC with the PS1 for instance. Plus, when you got a guy like Jim Ryan in charge who has openly expressed his disdain for older games, or probably doesn't play games either, then it becomes apparent as to why the PS5 doesn't uphold Playstation's heritage and legacy. Its not that they can't afford to do it, its just that they don't want to.
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manfestival
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The ps1 and ps2 are too powerful to emulate
Mabdia
Member
You might be right. But the emulator already exists (PS4 and i think that it might work on PS5?), the games to run in this emulator too.
They will have to invest some money to keep the servers with these games, ok. But I think that there is people who want to play these games on PS4. Damn! I bought Final Fantasy VIII remaster and in a heat beat i would uninstall it if they let me play the PS1 version of that game. Also, I would pay to play Ar Tonelico, Disgaea, Persona (1 to 4), Blood Roar, Metal Gear 1 to 3 and lot of other games.
Thare are a lot of "legacy" games out there and machines like Playstation Classic, SNES Classic and even that portable emulator shows that there is a demand for that.
Last year i just paid something like $141 for an used PS3 where i live. And i'm enjoying some old games. I keep my PS2 and PS1 with me and from time to time i'll boot it to play some old gems. But if I could play all this games on my PS4/PS5, I would sell all my Playstations to get a new shinny PS5. Since I can't, I'll be waiting to get my hands on a PS5 until it have the games that I want to play.
I get that the people who gets in theirs hands a PS5 at launch really want new and shinny games. I get it. But an emulator on this hardware that plays games from previous generations only adds to the value of the hardware. Especially if it is a new hardware that has just a few games.
Furozen
Member
I literally beat Twisted Metal (2012) four days ago. Indeed, it was a great experience. Too bad the game is stuck on the PS3.
PatientGamer
Member
Because it's not worth the investment if only 5% of your customer base will actually use BC throughout the lifecycle of a new system.
existensmaximum
Member
Yeah, bottom line is Sony don't think it would be profitable, or else they would have done it. Simple as that.
But they don't even do this properly/enough to warrant this being the answer.
NeoIkaruGAF
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Because anything less than 4K/30 with RT or 1440p/60 is literal poison to Sony users these days, or something.
Sony always was against the old in the console space. Remember, in the first days of PlayStation Sony (or at least their US branch, iirc) was specifically against 2D games because they would be a poor showcase for the system.
The "new games vs old games resources" argument is hilarious. I doubt the effort of remaking Medievil was really worth the effort and money considering the foreseeable market for such a remake. You can argue that offering the game via BC would lead to even less sales, but the cost would be practically zero.
The real answer is probably, Sony don't care and their ideal customer cares even less 'cuz they started gaming with the PS3. I guess Sony also believe the PS Classic was a failure because people weren't interested in the product, not because they did a lazy subpar job with it thinking their customers are fools.
Sony always was against the old in the console space. Remember, in the first days of PlayStation Sony (or at least their US branch, iirc) was specifically against 2D games because they would be a poor showcase for the system.
The "new games vs old games resources" argument is hilarious. I doubt the effort of remaking Medievil was really worth the effort and money considering the foreseeable market for such a remake. You can argue that offering the game via BC would lead to even less sales, but the cost would be practically zero.
The real answer is probably, Sony don't care and their ideal customer cares even less 'cuz they started gaming with the PS3. I guess Sony also believe the PS Classic was a failure because people weren't interested in the product, not because they did a lazy subpar job with it thinking their customers are fools.
FrankWza
Member
I wouldn't mind PS3 support. There are still games I have that I haven't gotten around too and don't have my PS3 hooked up. But anything before that gen isn't getting any play from me without a remaster or remake. Not being snobby, there's just too many games as it is to go back. Games require some time and are built that way. They're not made to be binged.
another thing is the controller. That would be a nice perk. I had to get an adapter so that I could use DS4 on PS3. I can't use a DS3 anymore.
another thing is the controller. That would be a nice perk. I had to get an adapter so that I could use DS4 on PS3. I can't use a DS3 anymore.
Badlucktroll
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I hope they do a "ps3 classics" section eventually with shit like motorstorm, resistance, killzone 2, ect.
MAX PAYMENT
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Sony doesn't respect its long term customers.
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You're right, also PS4 support dvd but not cd.
FrankWza
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Then Nintendo doesn't either. And i don't think there is a more loyal customer base than Nintendo customers. At least not in the video games business.
AgentP
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Sony doesn't lean on BC to fill a gap in new games.
Redneckerz
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OP thinks developing is so easy, that OP could do it himself, no?
PS3 is notoriously difficult to emulate - and yes i am aware of the emulators on PC. Sony's emulation is almost near-native in performance - Things achieved on a PSP, no less. But to emulate a PS3? A lot more difficult.
I Love Rock 'n' Roll
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People want BC at first, then a good price, then power (yep the XBOX fans were so mad about that, like you are, it was so fun and it's still is). There are been a massive survey (on more than 10000 people) about this last year and those were the results of what people want with next generation consoles. Sony just did not deliver what people wanted at 1st. It's just a fact.
Miles708
Member
Fact is BC is not directly a money-making tool.
It's a feautre that requires effort and, most of all, good will and genuine respect/passion towards both your company's past, and the memories your (most loyal) fans have.
It is, fundamentally, a powerful "indirect" marketing tool geared towards one of the most powerul emotions: nostalgia.
Sony doens't have a glimpse of that passion or care anymore, and this is not an immediately profitable feature.
Sony is slowly becoming increasingly cold and faceless. I hope this will change.
It's a feautre that requires effort and, most of all, good will and genuine respect/passion towards both your company's past, and the memories your (most loyal) fans have.
It is, fundamentally, a powerful "indirect" marketing tool geared towards one of the most powerul emotions: nostalgia.
Sony doens't have a glimpse of that passion or care anymore, and this is not an immediately profitable feature.
Sony is slowly becoming increasingly cold and faceless. I hope this will change.
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TaylorSwiftFan
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Because the majority of people do not want to play those games.
TaylorSwiftFan
Member
The survey was about BC with PS4 which has been delivered.
Ironic!
MAX PAYMENT
Member
You're right, nintendo doesn't either.