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[Molemitts]

If there was any sense in this world we'd have an open world console Pokemon game, that actually has side content, quests, an interesting story and interesting NPCs

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and is also not made by GameFreak.

I'm not even a huge fan of open world games, but it just makes too much sense, if they wanted to add any depth the the series at all. I'm just seriously bored with Pokemon at this point, it's time to do something interesting with it.

 

[IdreamofHIME]

Gamefreak are incompetent.

 

[Krejlooc]

No, but that still negates the portable aspect and adds an extra layer of issues. Each player would need the extra device to do it, and they wouldn't be able to meet at say a small event in a game store to battle/trade.

People already need an extra device to trade. They each need a 3DS.

Why wouldn't they be able to meet at a small event in a game store? You keep making these claims and they're not true. I bring a USB key with me to the store, problem solved.

Nintendo even has an entire product line available revolving around the concept of data mutability. You are being obtuse, and it's pretty obvious that your arguments stem from maintaining a status quo, not necessarily because this is how you actually feel. If Nintendo announced a console Pokemon tomorrow, I severely doubt you'd be in the thread talking about how nintendo ruined the franchise.

 

[Mael]

Who said anything about initiating trades without the game?

Here.

Precisely. Or, if that's not an option, let people upload their stats to a USB key to move from system to system. You know, like is already an option on the WiiU. Or an SD card. Or whatever.

Unless you're saying you want Pkmns to be moved between saves?
There's your cart, you aren't supposed to buy 2 of the same game (R/B, G/S...X/Y) anyway.
There's no point in allowing saves or mons to be moved outside of the venue they give (actual trading or the newish bank).

Heck the whole point of the badges is to make sure you don't breeze through the game with lvl100 mons you had been given!

Again what would be the point of moving mons from systems to systems using USB or whatever?

People already need an extra device to trade. They each need a 3DS.

No they don't, if they have the game they already have the 3DS.
You can't use the game without a 3DS anyway.
If you have a game you have a 3DS.

 

[Reset]

The technology just isn't there yet.

The technology to have a pokemon game on a console? lol

 

[GreatestHits]

Gamefreak are incompetent.

How dare you mock our overlords. Pokemon is the pinnacle of handheld gaming. You can't have your cake and eat it too

I think they should make the main games handheld, but let you expand your experience with a console game. So the console game would just be there as an enhnancement, to immerse you further into the pokemon world, but they should leave all the actual functional gameplay back on the handheld games. Kind of like what they have alreay done with colliseum, you can transfer your pokes and battle on the big screen. I think they should expand way beyond that though and develop it with the handheld games

 

[RedSwirl]

Basically, in its current form, there's nothing Pokemon's gameplay would gain from being on a console as opposed to a handheld. Gen VI is pretty much everything a console Pokemon would be, including full 3D graphics. That's part of the issue with the 3DS itself -- it's powerful enough to run almost all the types of console games Nintendo is known to make. Part of the reason Japanese developers moved to handhelds in general is because in some ways they never really moved beyond PS2-era hardware in their game design, which modern handhelds have matched and exceeded. A big chunk of Japanese gaming has kind of reached a technological plateau.

Even with Wii U games the only real noticeable advancements we've seen from Nintendo are better graphics, the Game Pad, and higher numbers of players on the same screen. The only exception here might be the 3D Zelda games. As for other Japanese developers and publishers, only the biggest companies like Square Enix have started trying to make games that actually warrant today's console horsepower.

 

[JoeM86]

People already need an extra device to trade. They each need a 3DS.

Why wouldn't they be able to meet at a small event in a game store? You keep making these claims and they're not true. I bring a USB key with me to the store, problem solved.

Nintendo even has an entire product line available revolving around the concept of data mutability. You are being obtuse, and it's pretty obvious that your arguments stem from maintaining a status quo, not necessarily because this is how you actually feel. If Nintendo announced a console Pokemon tomorrow, I severely doubt you'd be in the thread talking about how nintendo ruined the franchise.

That's not an extra device. That's their handheld device which has their game

Bring a USB key to a store to play and trade? Do you realise how unintuitive that is? That'd require compatible software, hardware etc. The way it is now requires the gameplayer to just have the hardware they play their game on and their game. Your suggestion is needlessly complicating things.

I also wouldn't say Nintendo have ruined the franchise. Nintendo don't make the decisions with this franchise.

 

[Krejlooc]

Here.


Unless you're saying you want Pkmns to be moved between saves?
There's your cart, you aren't supposed to buy 2 of the same game (R/B, G/S...X/Y) anyway.
There's no point in allowing saves or mons to be moved outside of the venue they give (actual trading or the newish bank).

Heck the whole point of the badges is to make sure you don't breeze through the game with lvl100 mons you had been given!

Again what would be the point of moving mons from systems to systems using USB or whatever?

Jesus, you shouldn't be jumping into the middle of an argument like this, especially if you're going to misread what is being said.

The argument by Joe: Pokemon has a healthy face-to-face component that can't possibly be replicated on a home console because, in his own words, what, are we going to bring our entire console and power cords over to our friends house?

which is to imply, I begin my game on my WiiU, the only possible way for me to go and have my pokemon battle your pokemon is for me to physically lug my WiiU over to your house so we can play face to face.

Which is obviously not true. There are a number of ways to accomplish what he calls impossible. The above are the most immediately obvious ways to accomplish this.

Your posts about cloning pokemon or out-of-game transfers isn't related to my posts at all. You already can save your pokemon to SD cards. You're tilting at windmills.

 

[JoeM86]

Jesus, you shouldn't be jumping into the middle of an argument like this, especially if you're going to misread what is being said.

The argument by Joe: Pokemon has a healthy face-to-face component that can't possibly be replicated on a home console because, in his own words, what, are we going to bring our entire console and power cords over to our friends house?

which is to imply, I begin my game on my WiiU, the only possible way for me to go and have my pokemon battle your pokemon is for me to physically lug my WiiU over to your house so we can play face to face.

Which is obviously not true. There are a number of ways to accomplish what he calls impossible. The above are the most immediately obvious ways to accomplish this.

Your posts about cloning pokemon or out-of-game transfers isn't related to my posts at all. You already can save your pokemon to SD cards. You're tilting at windmills.

Erm, you can't save your Pokémon to SD cards unless you've got a digital downloaded copy, and that will only work on one system.

Your suggestions for how to negate the fact that Wii U lacks the portable functions are needlessly complicated and add multiple hurdles.

 

[Krejlooc]

Bring a USB key to a store to play and trade? Do you realise how unintuitive that is?

It's not unituitive at all, it works exactly the same as lugging your 3DS.

That'd require compatible software, hardware etc.

Why, you mean something like this:

The way it is now requires the gameplayer to just have the hardware they play their game on and their game. You're needlessly complicating things.

Summary of your posts ITT

I also wouldn't say Nintendo have ruined the franchise. Nintendo don't make the decisions with this franchise.

What exactly did you accomplish by this display of pedantry, again?

 

[Mael]

Jesus, you shouldn't be jumping into the middle of an argument like this, especially if you're going to misread what is being said.

The argument by Joe: Pokemon has a healthy face-to-face component that can't possibly be replicated on a home console because, in his own words, what, are we going to bring our entire console and power cords over to our friends house?

which is to imply, I begin my game on my WiiU, the only possible way for me to go and have my pokemon battle your pokemon is for me to physically lug my WiiU over to your house so we can play face to face.

Which is obviously not true. There are a number of ways to accomplish what he calls impossible. The above are the most immediately obvious ways to accomplish this.

Your posts about cloning pokemon or out-of-game transfers isn't related to my posts at all. You already can save your pokemon to SD cards. You're tilting at windmills.

The only thing that allow saving your pokemons on SD cards is the cripted save of the gamedata that is unusable if you even try anything fancy with the game.
It's here only in case your game craps out or something.
for all intent and purposes it has no effect in the gameplay and isn't anything like you're trying to imply.
Save data on SD card, start a new game, save, load the data from the sd card? nope.
There's multiple ways to make pokemons fight each other without having the game opened (heck SFIV on 3DS shows a way that GF didnt even try).
If GF do things the way you're saying, it opens Pkmn to out of game transfers and cloning.

 

[Krejlooc]

Erm, you can't save your Pokémon to SD cards unless you've got a digital downloaded copy, and that will only work on one system.

Yes, I am aware.

Your suggestions for how to negate the fact that Wii U lacks the portable functions are needlessly complicated and add multiple hurdles.

 

[JoeM86]

It's not unituitive at all, it works exactly the same as lugging your 3DS.



Why, you mean something like this:

Summary of your posts ITT



What exactly did you accomplish by this display of pedantry, again?

Lugging your portable console? That's such a hassle.

And yes, there are places with demo pods, but what about meeting people face to face. These events I refer to have dozens, if not hundreds of people attend. There would be demopods to accommodate all those? Nope, of course not.

I feel you truly underestimate the portable nature of Pokémon, how large it actually is and how many participate.

Yes, I am aware.

Then explain this:

Your posts about cloning pokemon or out-of-game transfers isn't related to my posts at all. You already can save your pokemon to SD cards. You're tilting at windmills.

 

[Professor Beef]

If there was any sense in this world we'd have an open world console Pokemon game, that actually has side content, quests, an interesting story and interesting NPCs

Spoiler

and is also not made by GameFreak.

I'm not even a huge fan of open world games, but it just makes too much sense, if they wanted to add any depth the the series at all. I'm just seriously bored with Pokemon at this point, it's time to do something interesting with it.

It actually makes no sense at all for reasons already explained.

...the guy was asking to buy something to play his 3DS on his TV.

That's my fault for not reading what you replied to, apologies.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Also I love how this post is going to continue to be ignored, just like every single time this thread is made and a similar post is made.

NOPE, POKEMON ON CONSOLE WOULD SELL INFINITY, HIRE ME NINTENDO

I in the current reality where handheld gaming is both a) a fraction of what it once was in the East and West, and b) completely, utterly, and one-sidedly outsold by console gaming in the West, saying "no, never" to the possibility is incredibly shortsighted.

 

[Kasumin]

I get this sense from a lot of people on this forum that one can only have a "true" gaming experience on a console. And handheld games are this eternally inferior secondary experience due to having a smaller screen. I've heard these kinds of arguments for other popular handheld games as well.

I agree with the people in this thread pointing out that putting resources into a console mainline Pokemon game probably would not be worth the investment for Game Freak and Nintendo. The handheld games sell a ton and a console game is a lot more expensive to develop, especially nowadays.

I can't really agree with the people taking shots at Game Freak or Nintendo, either. Nintendo is very stuck in its ways, that's true. But I think the reasons Nintendo is slow to adopt things like online play and so on (and honestly, they weren't THAT slow about it in the Pokemon franchise) are also tied to the reasons that Nintendo has managed to stay a major force in the video game industry even to today. They're cautious as hell, sure, but I see that more as a benefit than a drawback in the grand scheme of things.

As someone who plays Pokemon competitively, I get really annoyed by these claims that the Pokemon series is stagnant. The series is designed so that you can trade Pokemon going all the way back to the third generation. Pokemon has always been about trading between versions. It makes perfect sense to me that Game Freak introduces changes to the formula very slowly. It's not just one game they have to think about, but all of the games that can trade with each other. I can't really think of any series that's like this. Pokemon may not change much, but I don't consider that a negative point. And anyway, if I get tired of Pokemon, I just skip a release or two. I don't think majorly changing things up all at once would really help the franchise.

And to those who say that portability doesn't really matter anymore, I'd have to disagree. I play the game at home 90% of the time, sure, but being able to go to anime conventions or events like MAGFest and trade/battle with other people face to face is a major part of the experience to me as well. Street pass is another great part of that. I get that the argument is for a console AND handheld version of the game, but I've noticed a lot of people in this thread downplaying the significance of the benefits of the series being on a handheld.

 

[TriniTrin]

they need to just create a new type of pokemon game. Consolemon...

The whole idea that the game has to be played on a handheld because of the pocket monsters origin is hilarious.. Games can evolve and we now have the means to talk to people all over the world.. They are getting some online options at least but it is hilarious that they are just leaving money on the table like that by limiting their audience to handheld only.

 

[Professor Beef]

I in the current reality where handheld gaming is both a) a fraction of what it once was in the East and West, and b) completely, utterly, and one-sidedly outsold by console gaming in the West, saying "no, never" to the possibility is incredibly shortsighted.

oh wow i didn't know the wiiu outnumbered the 3ds in the west, guess i have brain damage or something

 

[Mael]

I in the current reality where handheld gaming is both a) a fraction of what it once was in the East and West, and b) completely, utterly, and one-sidedly outsold by console gaming in the West, saying "no, never" to the possibility is incredibly shortsighted.

You mean we're getting a PS4 Version of Pokemon Z?

 

[Krejlooc]

Lugging your portable console? That's such a hassle.

Lugging a USB key? That's such a hassle.

And yes, there are places with demo pods, but what about meeting people face to face.

They facilitate face to face meeting already.

These events I refer to have dozens, if not hundreds of people attend. There would be demopods to accommodate all those? Nope, of course not.

Sounds almost like those amazingly-common Smash Bros tournaments that pop up in virtually every major city in the country.

I feel you truly underestimate the portable nature of Pokémon, how large it actually is and how many participate.

I feel like you maintain your stance simply because that's the way nintendo is. No more, no less. When Nintendo changes, your stance changes accordingly.

Then explain this:

the explanation would be that I'm talking about the very digital versions you spoke about.

 

[GreatestHits]

I in the current reality where handheld gaming is both a) a fraction of what it once was in the East and West, and b) completely, utterly, and one-sidedly outsold by console gaming in the West, saying "no, never" to the possibility is incredibly shortsighted.

I'll give you that but I promise you it would take the death of handheld gaming to get a pokemon project going on console

 

[openrob]

If it was gonna happen it was going to be on the Wii with that 100M + userbase.
No way that they would bother without having a drastically huge userbase I think.

 

[Azuran]

Pokemon is the perfect portable experience. It's something you pick up, play on the bus on the way to class for 30 minutes, and then put it away for the rest of the day until you get bored or have time to kill. A console version doesn't allow that type of freedom.

Some of you guys seriously seem to be underestimating the portable and social aspect of the games. Online is not a replacement for seeing a passerby playing Pokemon on the bus and requesting a quick battle with them. Sitting down and playing on a console for hours just removes some of the charm from the series.

As a 15 year old Pokemon veteran, I'm okay that we'll never see a serious console version. I became attracted to Pokemon because of its portability and I'm glad it will remain that way for years to come.

 

[Bleeether]

N64 had Pokemon stadium. They used a transfer pack so you could play your Gameboy pokemon on the console.

I dont think it would be hard or expensive to develop a similar device on the wii u.

Why lug a console around when you can bring your controller with your Transfer pack?

 

[JoeM86]

they need to just create a new type of pokemon game. Consolemon...

The whole idea that the game has to be played on a handheld because of the pocket monsters origin is hilarious.. Games can evolve and we now have the means to talk to people all over the world.. They are getting some online options at least but it is hilarious that they are just leaving money on the table like that by limiting their audience to handheld only.

It's not on a handheld because of the pocket monsters origin, it's on handhelds because it sells because it is portable.

Them putting it on a console is not "leaving money on the table". X & Y have sold over 12 million in less than a year. ORAS sold 3 million in 3 days. They are not "losing money" by not doing this.

N64 had Pokemon stadium. They used a transfer pack so you could play your Gameboy pokemon on the console.

I dont think it would be hard or expensive to develop a similar device on the wii u.

Why lug a console around when you can bring your controller with your Transfer pack?

For a battle sim, I completely agree. The question is for a main game, however, and that's where the issues show up.

 

[Teletraan1]

As someone already pointed out, money. If everyone who has a Wii U bought "Pokemon U" it still wouldn't be worth the time/cost vs making another 3DS game.

It "might" be a self fulfilling prophecy but honestly, the Wii U just has to sell more for this to be a viable monetary decision.

So why didn't they make one for the Wii then? If everyone who owned a Wii bought one they would sell 100 million. It wasn't HD, the cost would have been lower but they hung onto the same old bullshit excuse about socialization and such.

 

[Mael]

the explanation would be that I'm talking about the very digital versions you spoke about.

And people with the physical version are SOL?
On top of that your data is not usable AT ALL in that form.
Nothing the 3DS currently does allow for what you're doing and you're oblivious of that fact.

So why didn't they make one for the Wii then? If everyone who owned a Wii bought one they would sell 100 million. It wasn't HD, the cost would have been lower but they hung onto the same old bullshit excuse about socialization and such.

Yeah the Wii audience wasn't really about Pkmn AT ALL.
Chances are it clearly wouldn't have been worth the effort, look up how well it went for SquareEnix when they tried this.

 

[JoeM86]

They facilitate face to face meeting already.

Not to the extent that exists

Sounds almost like those amazingly-common Smash Bros tournaments that pop up in virtually every major city in the country.

But what about meet ups that aren't tournaments. That's what you're missing. You seem to think it's either players at home or tournaments. That's not what Pokémon is.

I feel like you maintain your stance simply because that's the way nintendo is. No more, no less. When Nintendo changes, your stance changes accordingly.

You have no evidence to make such an assertion. Also, again, this isn't Nintendo's decision or under their control

the explanation would be that I'm talking about the very digital versions you spoke about.

Ok, so take your SD card alone to a friend's house and try to play on their 3DS.

 

[GreatestHits]

Pokemon is not, and will never be, a console game. And this thread will never stop getting made at least once a month

What's funny though is how this has been one of the hottest threads on GAF today :-/

 

[RedSwirl]

The Wii U would have more to gain from Pokemon than Pokemon has to gain from the Wii U. It would really only serve to sell Wii Us. It MIGHT sell more copies of Pokemon in western territories were dedicated handhelds have lost a lot of popularity.

This is just another reason why it makes sense for Nintendo's next console cycle to be an ecosystem of portable and console form factors that share the same software. Just make a Pokemon game where no matter how you buy it, it runs on all the machines and people can play it however they way. Video games are pretty much the last medium that hasn't hit that point yet.

 

[Krejlooc]

And people with the physical version are SOL?

The point being is that

A) if Pokemon is such a sacred cow that the idea that the data could somehow be broken into and that would throw the balance of the universe out of whack or whatever, then this virtue has already been compromised because we already have a subset of players that can access their game saves from an SD card

B) If you maintain that there are locks in place that somehow keeps the data immutable on said SD cards, whatever measures they put into place in the digital download versions of the game can be applied to any physical copy of the game. This is how encryption works (and in the end, none of this stuff is unbreakable anyways)

C) The difference between physical and digital versions are arbitrary

On top of that your data is not usable AT ALL in that form.

You are speaking to a hacker, dude. You are speaking nonsense.

Nothing the 3DS currently does allow for what you're doing and you're oblivious of that fact.

I'm not oblivious to the state of 3DS cracking. Just because it's not cracked doesn't mean it cannot be cracked.

 

[Molemitts]

It actually makes no sense at all for reasons already explained.

"The reasons already explained" are mostly just people explaining how they don't want Pokemon to change into a fleshed out experience. It just makes so much sense, to me.

 

[Krejlooc]

You have no evidence to make such an assertion. Also, again, this isn't Nintendo's decision or under their control

You're nuts if you think thers haven't noticed your posting habits.

 

[JoeM86]

"The reasons already explained" are mostly just people explaining how they don't want Pokemon to change into a fleshed out experience. It just makes so much sense, to me.

Pokémon is already a very fleshed out experience. Putting it on a home console wouldn't suddenly mean it's more fleshed out. Also, my posts are based upon the statements made by the developers, not based on any personal wish or bias.

 

[Mael]

The point being is that

A) if Pokemon is such a sacred cow that the idea that the data could somehow be broken into and that would throw the balance of the universe out of whack or whatever, then this virtue has already been compromised because we already have a subset of players that can access their game saves from an SD card

B) If you maintain that there are locks in place that somehow keeps the data immutable on said SD cards, whatever measures they put into place in the digital download versions of the game can be applied to any physical copy of the game. This is how encryption works (and in the end, none of this stuff is unbreakable anyways)

C) The difference between physical and digital versions are arbitrary

They (GF) do not allow this kind of stuffs because it goes against the very philosophy the games are made since 96.
Seriously it's like asking for a Fzero game that would look like it's happening in 1888, that's never happening for obvious reasons.
The primary market is children, they're the one overwhelmingly buying this product, what point is there in making a trading system that's inscrutable to most of the people buying the product?
It's a feature that will mostly never be used and will be a vector of attack to most hacking.
Clearly it's not that big of an issue to them to have hacked mon, but that doesn't mean they're encouraging it either.

You are speaking to a hacker, dude. You are speaking nonsense.

No, you're the one speaking nonsense.
For 98% of the Pkmn market out there, it's that way really.
Unless it's made more easy to use than a r4 your scenario is like telling GF to pander to Indian hackers with a top hat on wednesday in Sidney.

I'm not oblivious to the state of 3DS cracking. Just because it's not cracked doesn't mean it cannot be cracked.

We're not talking about cracking anything here.

"The reasons already explained" are mostly just people explaining how they don't want Pokemon to change into a fleshed out experience. It just makes so much sense, to me.

such as train wrecks like recent Final Fantasy?

 

[Keyouta]

Pokémon on a console would be nice, but people here are thinking as a 20 or 30 year old adult in the west. The games are targeted towards children, remember that. Children in the west mainly play on tablets and phones, or handhelds, but consoles are not as big. Even more so in Japan. Pokémon still involves meeting people face to face as well, especially in Japan. Making a game for the Wii U wouldn't be cost effective. Sure, it would sell a lot, but not as much as on handhelds. If every single person who had a Wii U were to buy this imaginary game, it would still be less than half of their latest set of games, X and Y.

 

[Mael]

Pokémon on a console would be nice, but people here are thinking as a 20 or 30 year old adult in the west. The games are targeted towards children, remember that. Children in the west mainly play on tablets and phones, or handhelds, but consoles are not as big. Even more so in Japan. Pokémon still involves meeting people face to face as well, especially in Japan. Making a game for the Wii U wouldn't be cost effective. Sure, it would sell a lot, but not as much as on handhelds. If every single person who had a Wii U were to buy this imaginary game, it would still be less than half of their latest set of games, X and Y.

At this point a mobile Pkmn make so much more sense it's actually funny that people clamor for console one.
Seriously the market on mobile is an order of magnitude bigger it's not even funny (and they would basically allow to do what a console pkmn does and so much more too).

 

[GreatestHits]

Just make a Pokemon game where no matter how you buy it, it runs on all the machines and people can play it however they way. Video games are pretty much the last medium that hasn't hit that point yet.

This is exactly what I am begging for, I think it would lay this to rest for pretty much everyone if they made basically one game than must be fully experienced with two consoles, but is still perfectly a full experience on handheld the way it always used to be

At this point a mobile Pkmn make so much more sense it's actually funny that people clamor for console one.
Seriously the market on mobile is an order of magnitude bigger it's not even funny (and they would basically allow to do what a console pkmn does and so much more too).

I know this is a startling concept in today's industry but profit is probably the last thing on the list of necessities for Game Freak. They truly care about what they are making. They aren't slaves to what's going to make them the most money, so long as they are profitable enough to keep making games.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

oh wow i didn't know the wiiu outnumbered the 3ds in the west, guess i have brain damage or something

You mean we're getting a PS4 Version of Pokemon Z?

Far more likely for the next home console to sell like the PS4 than it is likely for the next handheld to sell like the DS.

 

[Professor Beef]

"The reasons already explained" are mostly just people explaining how they don't want Pokemon to change into a fleshed out experience. It just makes so much sense, to me.

And you'd be wrong...again.

but no, it'd sell well because you want it really bad

 

[Shadow Broker]

Do tell. I keep hearing people say this but they never actually follow it up, largely because there is nothing.

Let's see cutomizable trainers, always online option where you see other gamers playing the game and battling each other, a larger region build where you can explore and venture off into caves or wooden areas kind of like a open world RPG. You can even create/extend the Pokemon Lore. I mean there are alot of possibilities. I'm just scratching the surface.

I could have put in more thought and detail in this post but it's been a long day.

A home console means more work and time into building the game. I'm sure they have the money for it but doubt they want to make the effort.

 

[Krejlooc]

They (GF) do not allow this kind of stuffs because it goes against the very philosophy the games are made since 96.

They allow it right now by virtue of the game being available for digital download.

Seriously it's like asking for a Fzero game that would look like it's happening in 1888, that's never happening for obvious reasons.

Why would a steam punk Fzero be an impossibility?

The primary market is children, they're the one overwhelmingly buying this product, what point is there in making a trading system that's inscrutable to most of the people buying the product?

Plugging in a USB key is inscrutable to Mael. Got it.

It's a feature that will mostly never be used and will be a vector of attack to most hacking.

Guess they shouldn't have offered a digital download version in the first place.

Clearly it's not that big of an issue to them to have hacked mon, but that doesn't mean they're encouraging it either.

Providing physical offline storage is not encouraging what you propose any more than offering a digital version of the game is encouraging what you propose.

No, you're the one speaking nonsense.
For 98% of the Pkmn market out there, it's that way really.
Unless it's made more easy to use than a r4 your scenario is like telling GF to pander to Indian hackers with a top hat on wednesday in Sidney.

Now who is speaking nonsense?

We're not talking about cracking anything here.

Yes, we are. What do you think the process of altering saves for personal benefit is called?

 

[strangedopamine]

Let's see cutomizable trainers, always online option where you see other gamers playing the game and battling each other, a larger region build where you can explore and venture off into caves or wooden areas kind of like a open world RPG. You can even create/extend the Pokemon Lore. I mean there are alot of possibilities. I'm just scratching the surface.

I could have put in more thought and detail in this post but it's been a long day.

A home console means more work and time into building the game. I'm sure they have the money for it but doubt they want to make the effort.

All the bolded has already been achieved as of ORAS (Customisable trainers aren't in ORAS but were already in X/Y). Any other ideas

 

[JoeM86]

Let's see cutomizable trainers

Done in Pokémon X & Y

always online option where you see other gamers playing the game and battling each other

Done in Pokémon X, Y, Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire/

a larger region build where you can explore and venture off into caves or wooden areas kind of like a open world RPG.

Possible on handheld, but X & Y has more open area.

You can even create/extend the Pokemon Lore. I mean there are alot of possibilities. I'm just scratching the surface.

Done.

A home console means more work and time into building the game. I'm sure they have the money for it but doubt they want to make the effort.

It's effort and money that would provide less financial results due to the fact it removes such a large part of the audience. It's illogical

 

[IdreamofHIME]

How dare you mock our overlords. Pokemon is the pinnacle of handheld gaming. You can't have your cake and eat it too

I think they should make the main games handheld, but let you expand your experience with a console game. So the console game would just be there as an enhnancement, to immerse you further into the pokemon world, but they should leave all the actual functional gameplay back on the handheld games. Kind of like what they have alreay done with colliseum, you can transfer your pokes and battle on the big screen. I think they should expand way beyond that though and develop it with the handheld games

I love Pokemon, but these guys shouldn't be making the games. They're not skilled enough. DS was pushing their talent boundaries.
The creative team is ok, but the actual making of it should be done by a better studio.

 

[Joey Ravn]

For me Pokémon is a portable experience. I can sit down and play for hours on end, or pick up and play it on the bus or whenever I have 10 minutes of free time. Anchoring down that gameplay to a console would be a disservice to the franchise, IMO.

That being said, I'm not opposed to the idea of a Pokémon game specifically tailored for consoles. It should be something with a faster pace and structured like Colosseum/XD. In other words, make it more about engaging the world around you than collecting +700 different pokémon and battling your friends in real life/online.

TL;DR: If Pokémon comes to consoles (again), I want it to be like Dragon's Dogma, not a mere port/translation of the handheld games.

 

[Molemitts]

Pokémon is already a very fleshed out experience. Putting it on a home console wouldn't suddenly mean it's more fleshed out.

Yes it would. It means they could actually add optional content, a more open world and in general make the game bigger. This stuff might be able to be done with the New 3DS now, but GameFreak would refuse to change the formula on handheld, taking it to console would be the perfect opportunity.

such as train wrecks like recent Final Fantasy?

Ha ha ha, Because Final Fantasy is the only example of a recent console RPG, sure. Although, if it was created by GameFreak, then yes, it would be a train wreck.

And you'd be wrong...again.

but no, it'd sell well because you want it really bad

I said nothing about the sales of the game. It makes sense from a gameplay point of view. I know it's never going to happen and that's a massive shame.

I love Pokemon, but these guys shouldn't be making the games. They're not skilled enough. DS was pushing their talent boundaries.
The creative team is ok, but the actual making of it should be done by a better studio.

Agreed. They have Nintendo at their disposal. They really shouldn't be afraid to, at least, get them more involved.

 

[Who]

Well get it next gen I believe due to Nintendos next hardware will be a handheld console hybrid of some sort.

 

[JoeM86]

Yes it would. It means they could actually add optional content, a more open world and in general make the game bigger. This stuff might be able to be done with the New 3DS now, but GameFreak would refuse to change the formula on handheld, taking it to console would be the perfect opportunity.

There is optional content and games can be bigger. This can all be done without being on a home console.