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longdi
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qnx/webos is a better tablet os than android imo. i think android ranks as the last in terms of intuitiveness amongst the mobile os.
ios is the smoothest and most functional but the ui looks a little dated
wp7 is as smooth but feels locked down
qnx/webos is almost as smooth, qnx is a little faster than webos imo. both have very intuitive multitasking that works really well, but lacks iOS nice little touches and convenience.
android has a lot of customization and options, but still has that split seconds lagginess and the stock ui looks ugly and confusing imo.
ios is the smoothest and most functional but the ui looks a little dated
wp7 is as smooth but feels locked down
qnx/webos is almost as smooth, qnx is a little faster than webos imo. both have very intuitive multitasking that works really well, but lacks iOS nice little touches and convenience.
android has a lot of customization and options, but still has that split seconds lagginess and the stock ui looks ugly and confusing imo.
longdi
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what so bad about webos? it works great for multitasking. it has loads of potential but hp killed it. qnx, which started as a clone of webos, does surpassed webos in terms of speed now. qnx2.0 beta runs great on my pb.
i wish google would buy either webos or qnx and ditched their messy android. android feels like a bunch of apps/features slapped together into an os.
i wish google would buy either webos or qnx and ditched their messy android. android feels like a bunch of apps/features slapped together into an os.
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longdi said:
we own a touchpad, we don't talk in could be or would be. We speak in WHEN THE FUCK IS ICS BEING PORTED TO TOUCHPAD.
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I blame Joshua Topolsky for hyping the fuck out of the TouchPad and webOS. Like everything born from HP it's a fucking disappointment.
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On traditional computers.Yo Gotti said:
I like their strategy, but it's five years too soon. Leaving "Windows 7" in the OS for backwards compatibility feels like an admission that they're not ready for what they're planning. Rather than build on Windows Phone OS, it's like they're leaving it to die.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
WTF are you talking about . Windows 8 has recieved many updates over what windows 7 is. The most important factor is that it uses half the memory and has half the processes as windows 7.
I have a hp 311 which has a 1.6ghz single core atom and with windows 8 on it , it runs rings around windows 7 and xp .
If you wanted to troll properly you'd say that they were leaving in windows vista for the os backwards compatibility.
The over haul to windows 8 is just as large as the over haul that windows 7 had from vista .
The other great thing is that the AMD bravos cores are all on 40nm. AMD will be shipping 32nm verisons in the middle of next year that will not only have the benfit of a micron drop but also core enhancements and ddr 3 ram .
We are gonig to see a huge leap in x86 tablets compared with what we have today and not for nothing but my acer iconia w500 can already play modern games and I can watch 1080p outputed to a tv for almost 5 hours.
The next gen of amd chips will only increase battery life and make games more playable.
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Those bullet points will sell tablets.eastmen said:
Marty Chinn
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
They translate to performance, cost, and battery life. All things which do help sell tablets.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Sure, but are they going to be appreciably better than what's already being done by Apple and Android tablets? Matching the battery life of 10+ hours is fine, but competing and being able to list battery life as a sales point requires being better, and I don't have confidence in Microsoft to be better than anyone at anything right now other than having a great looking Metro UI.Marty Chinn said:
What I mean by "there is only an iPad market" is that the iPad does things. It has applications and features people want. Microsoft is in a good position to sell tablets that actually do things, unlike WebOS and Blackberry tablets, but what tablet-specific things have they announced yet? Just saying "hey we have Windows on this" has never and will never be an actual selling point on anything that isn't a traditional computer.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
What bullet points does it need.
x86 or arm tablets ... check
x86 has acess to every windows program thats ever been made
arm has acess to all windows 7 phone programs and all new programs designed for metro going foward .
What else do you need ?
If you want 15 hours battery life and don't need acess to x86 apps by the arm verison.
If you need acess to the x86 apps then buy that verison and deal with less battery life.
At least with the x86 tablets you can actually create and not just consume.
Last month i got to play SW TOR on a msi windpad with a dual core 1ghz c-50 cpu/gpu that was overclocked to 1.3 ghz and it ran pretty well considering it requires a 2ghz cpu. I can only imagine buying a tablet next year that lets me take them with me
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brb, telling my friends and family about these hot tablet features.eastmen said:
I love your posts just because they're always full of silly tech jumbo like this.eastmen said:
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
I think you miss the point where MS is working on making it so that if you write for x86 a simple compile will make it work on arm and the same with if you write it on arm.
Apps for windows 8 will come very quickly .
If people can write an app that will work on all of windows 8 and its hundreds of millions of copies around the world that it will sell in the next 3 years , they will certianly make sure they do that.
Your also going to see MS link xbox , w7p and win 8 more closely together and your going to see alot of them sharing programs
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Copernicus said:
Not only that, but missing the key point of Windows 8. Legacy support is what makes it compelling.
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outunderthestars said:
Maybe the most 7" tablet sales but I think the Asus Transformer will still be more popular.
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No they wouldn't because they don't really sell OSX. Just like they don't sell iOS. OSX is a feature of a complete product you can buy called a Mac.Marty Chinn said:
There is a market for Macs, particularly as they have become class leaders in design, eg the touchpad.
I wouldn't even say there's a market for Windows. There's a market for Windows based computers, and the vast majority of people neer buy Windows either, it's included OEM with their hardware.
*Yes they sell OSX upgrade discs, which at points also have the full install on them. But only Apple hardware is supported, and they surely make negative profit from a $30 OS.
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D.Lo said:
I lump all that together. Windows based computers are dominant out there but I wouldn't say there isn't a PC market just because Macs only make up a small percentage of it.
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People need a computer, not an OS.Marty Chinn said:
Similarly, people don't need a tablet, but some feel like they really want an iPad. No one really thinks "man, I need a tablet." Tablet makers need strong, innovative selling points beyond "hey it's a screen in your hands."
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eastmen said:
Not really apps per se, but they are two of the biggest reasons people go with iOS stuff.
Android has tons of apps out there as well, but nowhere near the same selection that iOS does. Or at least apps that people actually want to spend money on.
eastmen said:
Killer app? Try killer library:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=413499
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=434562
Thing is, the majority of those Windows legacy apps will be as good as unusable on a touch-screen tablet unless you tether it to a keyboard and mouse and then voila, you've just wasted your money buying an underpowered net-top with a tiny screen.eastmen said:
This obsession people have with trying to cram their desktop PC environment into their tablet or phone just boggles my mind. Nobody ever thinks of the true practicality of such a setup.
Fusebox said:
So then obviously windows 8 should be able to compete just fine if not blow apple away. You got music creation covered , avid + adobe + countless other video editing software , then you hae real games like star craft 2 , half life 2 , elder scrolls series , fall outs , gta's and whatever pc game you can think of .
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Burai said:
That's the future.
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Right click.eastmen said:
Burai said:
I don't see the logic here . The keyboard for the ipad is very popular .
Also I think you miss the point. I'm going to pax east in april . What do I bring with me
A) My laptop ... not to heavy its a 13 inch screen ultra portable from 3 years ago with a dual core amd neo at 1.6ghz and 3 gigs of ram and a 120 gig ssd. It has a radeon hd 4330 for gaming.
B) My fathers ipad 2
c) my touchpad with andriod on it or my sisters transformer
D) my acer iconia w500 with windows 8 on it , its a 1ghz dual core amd bravos with a radeon 5250 built in and 2 gigs of ram with a 64 gig ssd.
The thing is only my W500 can do everything the others can do. Its almost as portable as the ipad 2 or andriod tablets , it weights a little over 2lbs but still isn't a real problem . It has better battery life than my laptop as I can get 4hrs 30 minutes watching video on it or about 8 hours surfing the web and reading stuff. I get about 4 hours playing games.
I can use my canon hf11 and film stuff at pax , then put the card into the tablet and edit it with premier and then send remote into my pc and send it there for the project to be transcoded and burned to bluray.
I have a good chance of playing tor on it (prob not the w500 but i'm sure the windows 8 tablet i buy will have no problems with it )
Bringing a keyboard with a nub on it or a cheap $5 mouse will let me work on programs that need presicion. I can acess all the work programs i need so i can do work while on my trip.
its just a win win and it offers something these other platforms don't .
Anyway I think its really simple.
MS is taking the highend and working it all the way down to phones .
Google and Apple are taking the low end (phones ) and are trying to work it up all the way into desktops.
I dunno who is going to be right , all i know is unless something drastic happens before windows 8 comes out , MS will be furthest along and it only makes sense for me to follow with them since they get what I need to do .
I can certianly see the apeal of the ipad 2 and andriod devices . My father loves playing bejeweled and checking his email on it . I can see the point of andriod also. When i'm the couch i rather take my touch pad and look up an actor on imdb than my laptop or walk over to my desktop.
I totaly get why these devices are popular. I think you guys are just not understanding why windows on more devices will be just as popular as andriod or OSX .
Right now my mom has an samsung epic and a touchpad with andriod. She gets how to use it but when she goes to her laptop she gets confused. When windows 8 comes out and she has it on all her devices she wont have that problem. Alot of people will pay for it
eastmen said:
Is it? What are you basing this off? My work gave me an iPad case with the inbuilt BT keyboard and I only used it once, I didn't see the point.
eastmen said:
Unusable for 90% of my iPad usage, and I doubt I'd carry it around with me just for the other 10%.
Have you heard of these things called 'laptops'..? You might prefer that.
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All of eastmen's posts where he tries to sell something are full of boring tech specs and complications like "I do this, then this, then that, and then I have it all! Don't you get it?"
Fusebox said:
For alot of people they would rather have the keyboard not take up half the screen. When typing long emails or making spread sheets its a benfit of having the keyboard off the screen.
ALso alot of people like the tactile feed back from a keyboard. I can type almost 3 times faster using a keypad than i can on a touch screen.
At work people either have ipads or windows 7 tablets. Everyone on ipads have a keyboard and everyone on windows 7 just uses a pen.
I'm sure for someone just surfing the web and righting an email once in awhile can get away without the keyboard. Doesn't stop the keyboard from being a popular item for ipads]
The ipad is ususable for 90% of my portable needs from a tablet.
Aside from that , i brought up a mouse because someone who is going to play a real computer game like skyrim is going to want to use a mouse keyboard instead of the touch screen. Its just another option to improve the function of the device.
If i want to go out in the big bad world and surf a webpage of play a touch based app on my win 8 tablet , i can do that juts fine. If i'm on a busniess trip and i need to do emails or remote log into the pcs at work or use one of many work programs that are x86 windows only , I can have a mouse and keyboard and do my work just fine.
Can't really do this with an ipad or andriod device .
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You keep typing "alot of people" but have nothing to quantify that. The iPad is one of the fastest selling electronics devices ever (http://www.pcworld.com/article/206953/ipad_fastestselling_electronic_deviceever.html). Who are you talking about when you say "alot"?eastmen said:
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One of the most logical and well put posts so far.Fusebox said:
If people wanted a mouse and keyboard, they would get a laptop for their portable use.
The tablet market is only a ipad market right now because the other options are shit. Don't fool yourself. People like lower prices and more choice, something that Apple does not have a history of doing.
Best of both worlds, me want now.
yep, at least something similar to that will be the future. All laptops in the future will have touchscreens that will be able to either flip around and turn into a tablet or just have a detachable keyboard like that one. I bet those type of devices will be all over CES in January.Marty Chinn said:
Best of both worlds, me want now.
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Windu said:
Edit: shit. Beaten by moments.
The flip around screen (yet still attached) is what has been around forever. Those were the original tablet computers. As for the all in one with detachable screen, it will have a market, but not a huge one. I would guess that people want smaller and single piece items to carry round.
well, future with a OS that actually takes advantage of it well. If windows 8 or something just as good was on those things i think they would sell quite well. Previous Windows just weren't that good on touchscreens.Fusebox said:Lol, you just described my old Toshiba M700 from about 5 years ago...
Funny to see the word 'future' used when describing it.
Windu said:
But but people shold just get a laptop
also as fusebox points out , they've been used on tablets years before apple even knew what the word meant
some posters here don't understand that users would like options. I don't want to have to own a laptop and a tablet when i can just get a tablet that can be expanded to what i need. That way i can choose. Do i need just the tablet today or do i need the keyboard.
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PhoncipleBone said:
So don't carry the keyboard when you don't need it. That's like saying the iPad is bound to carrying a Bluetooth keyboard.
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