spoonman
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I'd rather have this + the original running at a higher framerate as a bonus game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XAJEDJJ_Bo
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Why Rebooting Star Fox Isnt Easy For Nintendo (Emily Rogers)
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I'd rather have this + the original running at a higher framerate as a bonus game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XAJEDJJ_Bo
Or could it be because of lack of marketing behind certain games that are good?
MAtgS
Member
On the subject of selling SF on gimmicky tech, there actually is a possible option: dual gamepad support. Nintendo did say the Wii U would support 2 gamepads but to date no game has been announced to utilize that. Star Fox could potentially be the 1st to do so. A couple of ideas off the top of my head:
1. Co-op campaign with the TV player as squadron leader & 2 gamepad players as his wingmen. (James McCloud era scenario)
2. 2 player head-to-head SFC style with the players using the touch screens to wage a simplified RTS battle. (Star Fox vs. Star Wolf scenario)
1. Co-op campaign with the TV player as squadron leader & 2 gamepad players as his wingmen. (James McCloud era scenario)
2. 2 player head-to-head SFC style with the players using the touch screens to wage a simplified RTS battle. (Star Fox vs. Star Wolf scenario)
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
I love both of these ideas. There is so much potential with the GamePad that Nintendo hasn't used. It makes me sad
Oh hell yes
I think Star Fox is probably closest to having Japanese appeal, but that's just me. And I don't think it's out of the question for the franchise to have appeal for younger audiences either.
As for the gameplay, I've always seen Star Fox as a showcase vehicle-based shooter. The problem is that vehicle-based shooters aren't common at all in today's market. We have regular shooters with vehicles in them, but few shooters completely centered on vehicular combat.
As for the gameplay, I've always seen Star Fox as a showcase vehicle-based shooter. The problem is that vehicle-based shooters aren't common at all in today's market. We have regular shooters with vehicles in them, but few shooters completely centered on vehicular combat.
Sylverstone14
Member
Raise you:
Not being much invested in the series, I found it to be okay, actually.
Command was fine.
The multiple endings bit did spark a bit of idea into what could transpire after that entry, and it was an okay game online.
RealDeadOne
Member
Where is this idea that nobody likes Star Fox coming from?
64 was one of the best sellers on the N64. Adventures and Assault sold pretty well for being poorly reviewed GCN games, they were both successes for Nintendo.
Even Command sold alright, especially in Japan.
I don't know how 64 3D did, but if it did bad that can be attributed to it being a remake on a brand new system.
I mean, it's not lighting up the charts or anything, but it sure as hell would beat stuff like Chibi Robo Photo Finder. Most of Ninty's franchises don't do Mario/Zelda/Pokémon numbers. Can we at least wait a little while before we all declare Nintendo has abandoned all its franchises?
64 was one of the best sellers on the N64. Adventures and Assault sold pretty well for being poorly reviewed GCN games, they were both successes for Nintendo.
Even Command sold alright, especially in Japan.
I don't know how 64 3D did, but if it did bad that can be attributed to it being a remake on a brand new system.
I mean, it's not lighting up the charts or anything, but it sure as hell would beat stuff like Chibi Robo Photo Finder. Most of Ninty's franchises don't do Mario/Zelda/Pokémon numbers. Can we at least wait a little while before we all declare Nintendo has abandoned all its franchises?
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
The main problem isn't that Adventure and Command lacked gimmicks; it's that neither was very good (although Adventure did look and sound amazing...just too bad about that gameplay)
Professor Beef
Banned
Is 93k considered alright?
AcademicSaucer
Member
multiplayer dogfights with steel batallion like controls on the gamepad .
Maintenance
Member
Nintendo to Fox McCloud...
Nintendo to Fox McCloud...
Sure, your franchise is dead but Miyamoto would be proud.
Nintendo to Fox McCloud...
Sure, your franchise is dead but Miyamoto would be proud.
Sorry, I suck at lyrics. And yes, this is based on brentalfloss version.
I agree with you on this.
4 player battles in space as you zoom around asteroids and whatnot. Say what you want about F2P, but Nintendo could make it work like with Sub Wars.
Astro Monster
Banned
It is when you consider that it was a DS action game (The only DS games that sold well were RPG or Puzzle-style games).
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Instead of using a mediocre IP like Steel Diver, use Star Fox for a competitive multiplayer game with a few solo missions.
Not every single classic Nintendo IP needs to be a full price retail release.
Not every single classic Nintendo IP needs to be a full price retail release.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
The problem with a lot of objections to Starfox on a fundamental thematic level is they don't explain why Ratchet and Clank can continue to be popular in the modern era. R&C is basically fuzzy talking things in space with lazer guns and animal-like robots and aliens.
The problem for Starfox IMO is that Nintendo is good at preserving classic styles for their IP, but not always good a overhauling style when required. Starfox done in a more satirical, adult-humored form like Ratchet could find an audience I think. (Especially the surprisingly dark Into the Nexus.)
In terms of gameplay I do thing this is where the knee jerk "Platinum should make it!" response is actually appropriate. Platinum is good at taking arcade gameplay and making it replayable and deep without losing sight of the fundamentals.
The problem for Starfox IMO is that Nintendo is good at preserving classic styles for their IP, but not always good a overhauling style when required. Starfox done in a more satirical, adult-humored form like Ratchet could find an audience I think. (Especially the surprisingly dark Into the Nexus.)
In terms of gameplay I do thing this is where the knee jerk "Platinum should make it!" response is actually appropriate. Platinum is good at taking arcade gameplay and making it replayable and deep without losing sight of the fundamentals.
efyu_lemonardo
May I have a cookie?
damn, that gave me more feels than I thought it would
Actually, it's not that hard.
- Simplified 3D graphics like Mario World with exquisite lighting in space
- low budget, e-shop episodic title(s)
- online that lets you co-op campaign
- huge online multiplayer versus mode
If the first doesn't sell well enough, don't bother making another episode of the single player missions. The problem I would guess is that the budget for Star Fox is going to be too high now to make even a marginal profit, but this would work for F-Zero I think as well (but pull a Killer Instinct with F-Zero and sell it piecemeal.)
- Simplified 3D graphics like Mario World with exquisite lighting in space
- low budget, e-shop episodic title(s)
- online that lets you co-op campaign
- huge online multiplayer versus mode
If the first doesn't sell well enough, don't bother making another episode of the single player missions. The problem I would guess is that the budget for Star Fox is going to be too high now to make even a marginal profit, but this would work for F-Zero I think as well (but pull a Killer Instinct with F-Zero and sell it piecemeal.)
What!? It was my first Gamecube game and I loved it. So many awesome memories.
Basically this. I suppose Metroid Prime wasn't an easy endeavour as well, since the side scrolling games were kinda different. But it did exceptionally well critical acclaim wise, financially not so much.
They should give it a try.
efyu_lemonardo
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Yep. Anything not easy is worth doing.
Mithos
Member
Never seen that before. Yeah REmake StarFox on Wii U now, would be so cool.
Beelzebufo
Banned
Yeah, but it was a good idea. Unfortunately, Rare was going downhill at that point. I'd be up for another Adventures style game if they had the right team behind it.
Davey Cakes
Member
If Star Fox was developed in-house I think that would automatically give it a better chance of being successful.
I never understood why people don't take kindly to Star Fox's general design. I mean, the core gameplay of the first three games is great and the characters have some charm. There's nothing wrong with "space furries" or whatever people like to call them; these characters make the franchise entirely unique.
Nintendo needs to revive the Star Fox aesthetic from the original game. You don't see that sort of thing ANYWHERE. It's just crazy enough to work!
Beelzebufo
Banned
While the gameplay is solid, even at its best the games aren't revolutionary enough to justify the short length and high price to the mass market. I don't know if in house would be able to change that without changing gameplay or having a huge budget.
Davey Cakes
Member
I hear that. Maybe the eShop route that others have suggested would work.
Just return the series to the basics. It doesn't have to be AAA.
This sort of stuff seems like free money. Unless aspects of Star Fox 2 were HEAVILY re-used in later games (like Command) then there's no reason to leave a near-finished project just sitting there, unplayed by the fan population.
StarFox 64 was the reboot of the original StarFox. Anyway, I'd like to see Starfox 2 get a proper release on the eShop since that game is basically finished.
Jorok Goldblade
Member
Best multiplayer in the series.
Single player was fine mechanically, but the entire philosophy of the mission design was flawed, dooming the game.
93k doesn't really sound too good for any first-party Nintendo game on a platform with an install base as high as the DS to me. 100k or go home.
Baron von Loathsome
Member
It was partially developed with Q-Games, the PixelJunk studio.
Dark Octave
Banned
Starfox doesn't have to be this big budgeted CoD chaser. I doubt it has to cost much at all to make compared to a lot of Nintendo properties. Any excuse not to do SOMETHING for the series is just an excuse because there is fans hungry for a new one.
I also hope they aren't using SF64 3DS sales to measure interest in a new SF because I'm not interested in buying a 20 year old game that I already have three copies of.
I also hope they aren't using SF64 3DS sales to measure interest in a new SF because I'm not interested in buying a 20 year old game that I already have three copies of.
Forgottonone
Member
Rail shooter? Umm okay
Shikamaru Ninja
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Who wrote that? It is really like low level forum drivel rather than anything insightful about Nintendo or the Star Fox franchise.
Arkage
Banned
Star Wars?
Forgottonone
Member
Man, I wish Nintendo had the power to just make any game they want al a sony. They make unique games that sell terribly. Nintendo isn't owned by some of the biggest entertainment companies in the world.
PlumCantaloupe
Member
I think Star Fox could work as an online focused space combat "shooter" not unlike Steel Diver, but on the WiiU as a graphical showcase. Free roam space battles is something that there isn't much of right now on any system so there is a space for Nintendo if they were willing to pull out all the stops for matchmaking and ship customizability.
I hate to dream but with Steel Diver on 3DS if they also did a Star Fox "shooter" Nintendo could potentially start making vehicular-only competitive shooters a thing again.
I hate to dream but with Steel Diver on 3DS if they also did a Star Fox "shooter" Nintendo could potentially start making vehicular-only competitive shooters a thing again.
Wonko_C
Member
It's like there is no middle-ground. StarFox is good saturday morning cartoon material like He-Man, TMNT, G.I. Joe, Thundercats, Silverhawks, Biker Mice From Mars, etc. It's not intended for small children who haven't learned to speak and watch Teletubbies, Barney the Dinosaur or whatever is that little kids are into these days.
Dark Octave
Banned
Something like this would destroy me.
Those aren't really animals in the same way.
" the characters aren't drawn cutsy "
* looks at sonic * I don't think you need to do that.
I don't even think your games need to be good
I think the issue is team rocket-ism.
We messed up a star fox on foot game, we must abandon that . Instead of just improving the idea and succeeding probably . Epically considering there is a company who's game you just funded who could that really well...
* looks at sonic * I don't think you need to do that.
I don't even think your games need to be good
I think the issue is team rocket-ism.
We messed up a star fox on foot game, we must abandon that . Instead of just improving the idea and succeeding probably . Epically considering there is a company who's game you just funded who could that really well...