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why was terminator genisys hated so much?

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Mengy said:
I agree that Genysis was a bad movie, but I still enjoyed it for what it was. I'm okay if I never see it again though.




Is this sarcasm, or are you serious?



OKAY, now I know it was sarcasm! Nice troll!!!!
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neither of it was trolling.
 
Because Terminator 1 & 2 were great movies. Then it became a campy PG-13 mockery of itself. Genysis embodies everything wrong with the Terminator movies now.

Shitty acting: Check
Wrong actress as Sarah: Check
Old Arnold: Check
Convoluted Story: Check
Jai Courtney: Check

Terminator 2 is my favorite film of all time. Perfect action movie. And to see the franchise fall from grace really breaks my heart. Most of all Arnold....this guy bangs his housekeeper, gets her preggers, gets caught, gets divorced and now gotta get back in the studio to pay the bills and is helping to destroy the franchise he helped create. Sad.

Kaban said:
Too much talking, not enough showing.

I didn't hate it, but it had a bad story. Like, crappy fan-fiction level of bad.
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Exactly. Really atrocious.
 
btrboyev said:
shitty franchise has a shitty sequel..

they just need to stop or move on from the connor shit.
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probably would be a benefit, it's hard to recreate sarah, so why not just make a borderline terminator 1 or 2 idea without making it a copy or cliche of iself. Make it a decent horror film again, or a decent realistic action film with character developement. Don't give me some lame o terminator actor either.
 
It's definitely better than all the flack it gets, but still not a good movie. I think I liked it better than T3 and Salvation though.
 
Kyle Reese was written poorly and makes him out to be an over-emotional dumbass instead of a smart, calculated soldier with heart but still a clear mission to accomplish.

The Kyle-John father/son dynamic was seriously shit and laughable.

Emilia Clarke with her horrific "acting" and three facial expressions was the most unconvincing Sarah Connor ever.

The T-800 and T-1000 were a complete waste. No suspense and the least scary they have ever been.

The special effects were too obvious and pull you out of the film.

The action was inconsequential and basically pointless filler for loud noises and explosions.

There was too much time travel nonsense whereas in past good films (T1, T2) it was confined to the opening minutes of the film in a way that made sense. The whole movie was now revolved around weird time travel/altering gimmicks that the Terminator fans don't care about. Most of this stuff was convoluted and resolved nothing besides being there to fill up time in a weak plot.

Arnold sucks. He's a parody of his T2 self. The little touches of humanity in T2 were amusing and the final thumbs up really leave you feeling gutted. Now he's a regular standup comedian and not a good one either.

The Kyle/Sarah relationship ranks up there with Anakin/Padme as among the worst on-screen romances ever. That locker room scene... Jesus Christ. Attack of the Clones all over again.

The modernisation of Skynet as a mobile OS thing had me rolling my eyes. What's it gonna be in the next movie? A VR headset that infects people's brains with a Skynet virus? Please stop making this great impersonal villain into the new hip thing with today's youth. It cheapens the original intent of a military program gone rogue.

The personification of Skynet into a toddler, kid, teen, Cumberbatch was comically awful. Was anyone impressed by this?

The set pieces made no sense especially the one at the end. Giant open space with proto-time machine and a moat of T1000 goo (why?). It was very predictable what would happen in that room (final showdown) when it showed up halfway into the movie.

Predictability and contrived set up aside, Arnold as a morphed T800/1000 was still a complete waste.

Overall, a boring waste of time with bad acting, bad action, bad effects, a hundred wasted opportunities and a huge mess of a plot culminating into one of the year's worst movies.
 
Surprised someone hasn't posted a picture of the new Sarah Connor actress squinting while she fires the handgun.
When I saw people nitpicking that shit I knew the pitchforks were too sharp to say something positive about the movie.
 
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IMO it worked better as a comedy than an action movie, and even then the comedy wasn't that great. It's not a disaster but it just isn't very good.
 
Jack The Nipper said:
cool ideas? man... must have been what the team making the movie thoght too... An idea isnt cool just because it "seems" cool. Nothing cool about these things, i can throw out crazy stupid ideas too

Why not let arnold just go back to the civil war and destroy the whole army since they obviously can't take him out with their little powder blowers? thus keeping a spit america making it easier for the future of skynet to take over america. yeah, that sounds about as stupid as these ideas they did for this movie.
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- Old and rusty reprogrammed T-800 vs original T-800
- Literally revisiting the original movie a la Back to the Future Part II

Those ideas had potential, I'm sorry your hatred of a bad movie is preventing you from seeing that.
 
Steiner84 said:
I mean, sure, it wasnt at T1 or 2 level but certainly better then 3 and 4 (combined). Maybe it wasnt quite what people expected (when does this ever happen) but its certainly a movie you can watch and have 2 hours of solid entertainment..

Ive seen it for the first time yesterday and honestly don understand the amount of hate it recieved.
Arnie was a bit dull, and the time travel story was nonsensical (which is always the case, in any movie ever because thats the nature of time travel) but i had my share of fun with it.
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A T-800 and teeny Sarah Connor can built a time machine out of scrap in a random sewer with 1984 tech while Skynet itself needs decades to do the same thing in 2017 with the backing of a giant Apple style mega corporation.

On top of that you had a script that seemed like a shopping list done by an executive asking his kids what they liked about T1 and T2:
-"Wouldn't it be great if he does the thumbs up again?
-"Come with me if you want to live", "I'll be back"
-"Get out"
-Lets do an armored truck chase
-Lets do a helicopter chase where the heli ducks below bridges but this time with pure CG and a speed and maneuverability that instantly makes the audience not care anymore. How they scrape streets and building fronts. WHAT
-Lets do a motorcycle chase
-Lets do a bus chase
-Lets have the scene with the weapons bunker where they load up
-Lets show the T-1000 birth right next to the time machine
-Lets have them brawl in a time machine
-Lets have Terminators drive trucks with steering wheels into Skynet headquarters

so, so bad.

It also failed to establish any danger whatsoever.
First T-800 gets killed with 1 shot from a .50.
The T-1000 is easily offed too and didn't establish any menacing presence whatsoever.
e.g. there is this one shot where Kyle Reese compares the boot size to his feet like in T1 WHILE he is running from a T-1000. Felt typical of the whole movie. In order to shoehorn this shot in so it "rhymes" with T1 they made the T-1000 less of a threat.

Another example were these weirdass flying Mecha things in the future war sequence for which they didn't bother to explain any rules whatsoever. For an audience to care, you need to tell them why they should be afraid of something, how it works, how you can defeat it. Establish rules, adhere to these rules and the audience brains will not get hurt.
 
I went in with really low expectations and I had fun with it. Jai Courtney is definitely the worst part of the film, but he at least seemed to be doing a tiny bit better than other stuff I've seen him in. I loved Emilia Clarke though. So much. She had decent chemistry with Arnie too.

It was better than Salvation for me, that's for sure. I literally fell asleep during Salvation.
 
Salvation could be sci-fi blockbuster #54262.

Genisys retcons everything to hell and back while making no sense. A total waste of the license.
 
Eh, aside from the guy who played Reese it's a perfectly decent movie. Some people just can't pull their heads out of their own asses long enough to admit it.
 
I actually somehow enjoyed this - it was kinda stupid, 'POPS' made me roll my eyes but it was a decent brainless action flick. I thought Emilia Clarke was fine too. The guy was wooden. Doesn't even come close to touching (or thinking about touching) the originals but it wasn't nearly as bad as people made out, IMO.
 
I didn't find the movie horrible but it isn't good and the further you get into the film the worse it gets.

HIGH DEF JEFF said:
Surprised someone hasn't posted a picture of the new Sarah Connor actress squinting while she fires the handgun.
When I saw people nitpicking that shit I knew the pitchforks were too sharp to say something positive about the movie.
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Every time she fires a gun she closes her eyes, not just the handgun. After gaf pointed it out i couldn't help but keep watch for it.
 
Minor complaint: Reese in Genisys movie is a buffed out soldier. The point of him in the first terminator being a scrappy dude was to show how horribly outmatched/physically starved he was against Arnold. Being as buff/taller than Arnold really throws off that underdog feel.

I actually enjoyed the movie until the post-credits scene
completely undoes the point of the climax. They went to go kill SkyNet, blew up the factory, but SkyNet was hiding in the closet and is totally okay? WHAT WAS THE POINT OF ANYTHING
 
Weak casting and writing. Felt like it was a project that people felt obligated to make, not something anyone was actually passionate about.
 
Guy.brush said:
there is this one shot where Kyle Reese compares the boot size to his feet like in T1 WHILE he is running from a T-1000.
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This was by far my most hated moment in the movie because he didn't even look at his foot long enough to get a accurate size, he just tapped them on his feet and moved on. It really felt like they said,"make sure you put the shoes to your feet so it matches with t1, it will be amazing!" it was terrible.
 
because it's a piece of shit movie, and Gaf being Gaf, of course someone was gonna defend this freight train of cocks

worse than Salvation? Lol no way, that movie at least tried
 
Maddocks said:
This was by far my most hated moment in the movie because he didn't even look at his foot long enough to get a accurate size, he just tapped them on his feet and moved on. It really felt like they said,"make sure you put the shoes to your feet so it matches with t1, it will be amazing!" it was terrible.
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nah, it was awesome.
The whole mirroring was awesome.
 
Enjoyable movie, stupid as fuck, but enjoyable.
It's fate was sealed long before it came out though. The internet declared it unworthy garbage the second it was announced and nothing was going to change that.
 
Because the lead guy (don't know his name) was a piece of granite, trying to pretend to be a human being with emotions. Even Arnold, who's a robot, put a better performance.

I liked the Sarah/Pops relationship and I liked the focus on predestination vs Sarah's right to choose if she wants a baby or not...those elements would've worked better being the sole focus of a movie or a TV series.

I'd watch a whole season of Arnold dealing with angry teenage Sarah Connor.
 
I was interested in seeing what they were gonna do with it right up until
there was a time machine that took a world-consuming supercomputer decades of refinement and precision to make, in the 80s. And I'm still not sold on why they even had to go forward through time at all. You're talking about saving humanity, are you really sure you don't want that extra 20odd years to prepare?
If they had cut off the entire second half and made the whole plot live in the first half, as a condensed retelling of T1 and T2, I would have enjoyed it much more. It also would have had a chance to go somewhere with those dreams of franchising, which I don't see happening now.

But, what do I know. I like Terminator Salvation. Like, a lot.
 
Personally I really liked the movie not anywhere near the level of T2 but better than T3 and Salvation. The story was messy as hell but that's what happens when you try to retcon a movie about time travel.

I also really love Emilia Clarke <3

One thing I did hate though was the fact they spoiled the movie in the trailer....Who the fuck decided to show
John Connor as a fucking Terminator
in the trailer!?
 
no hate, just utter disappointment. Like with Terminator 3, that movie just tried again to do the exact same story beats as before. Salvation atleast tried to do a new spin by finally going beyond the apocalypse. Too bad that had to be watered down with PG13 and giant CGI robots too though.
 
There was only really like one good part of the movie. The 1984 sequence where Arnold fights CGI Arnold (At least IMO) . Everything else beyond that was not so good. The whole Genisysisysysis mobile app plot line felt like something that came out of a bad SiFi movie.
 
Because it wasn't worth the hassle of seeing it in theaters. Watching it at home is like +1 to a movie's score, even Waterworld isn't so bad then
 
Film was poor and like T 3 did nothing to progress The Terminator story line. Even tho the Sarah Connor chronicles had no budget I'd gladly take thats shows theme's and ideas over any of the drek Terminator films post T2
 
It shits all over the first two films but if you just accept it for what it is I thought it was fun. In my mind the cannon stops after T2 anyway.
 
Currygan said:
because it's a piece of shit movie, and Gaf being Gaf, of course someone was gonna defend this freight train of cocks

worse than Salvation? Lol no way, that movie at least tried
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So yeah, that happened.

Scrupulous said:
Film was poor and like T 3 did nothing to progress The Terminator story line. Even tho the Sarah Connor chronicles had no budget I'd gladly take thats shows theme's and ideas over any of the drek Terminator films post T2
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TSCC was godly. Rough start, but so good once it got going and found its thing. Also featuring the only real-life terminator Summer Glau.
 
I just watched it and it's late, so in response to the OP, here goes.

I can hate it for being another entry in the franchise that doesn't come aware near the height of 2 or surprise of the first one. T3 is a better version of this movie and at least ends in a way that makes you want more, a lot more.
I can hate it for rehashing line after line in an uninteresting way. Be creative at least.
I can hate it for having a pair of writers who thought they were really funny, when they really aren't. See the lineup scene with the Bad Boys music. The writers and director clearly miss the point.
I can hate it for being PG-13 and even then not doing anything creative action wise.
I can hate it for unnecessarily convoluting time travel and making it about a really uninteresting version of Kyle Reese. Really? that's the hook of the entire story?
I can hate it for making Google.......Skynet into an all connected entity, that just feels merely harmless. You've shown me a future where Skynet has taken over the world, yet in 2017 with only days to go, the scariest thing is that everything is connected with an app and an Internet connection. The fallout of that is what we see? again, T3 did it better. There's nothing to fear. The plight of the protagonists seems wholly unwarranted. The threat of Skynet is not realized in the real world. It's just so minuscule.
I can hate what they did with J.K. Simmon's character. What an absolute waste that was. Shame.

Even with all those things, I'm not going to say I hated it. I watched it free in 4K due tot his this thread . For once, I can't even say that I'm disappointed. I had no real expectations (maybe I should try that state of mind more...) so it didn't hurt me as a Terminator fan and it didn't knock my socks off either.

I can say that I didn't have a problem with Emelia as Sarah. This version of Sarah is young,probably in her early 20's. She did a good job with that and the character was believable considering that. Jason Clarke isn't bad either. The twist is silly. It's the last ditch alternative to have John involved in the story. A better version of this could have been though of. And how they got to that with Matt Smith's character is even dumber. Is there a big chunk of the film missing?
 
It has the nerve to fuck around with the original two films while adding nothing of interest or value of its own to the franchise and has no story to tell that would remotely justify altering the events of the first two. On top of that the first two films establish you can't change the timeline anyway, something T3 also ignores. And that's not even getting around to the awful script and the terrible acting, especially from actors we know are capable of much better given the proper material.

Why wasn't it hated more would be a better question.
 
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