onken
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Yeah this is probably it for me. New Reese is a completely uninteresting meat head.
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why was terminator genisys hated so much?
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Yeap. I also thought Clarke was a great Sarah Connor. Kyle Reese was not very good but overall... Good movie. Enjoyed it. I felt like it worked as a Terminator film.
Dr_Boris_Goltz
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Yeah the whole movie sucked but your point in particular made me feel like I wasted my time.
YesNOnoNOYes
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i enjoyed it. reese was the weakest part. arnie was boss <3
better than 3 and 4, by far.
better than 3 and 4, by far.
YesNOnoNOYes
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yep. the punks were baaaaaaaaaaaaaad, specially compared to the original >___<
old manatee
Banned
It doesn't matter because millenials don't know what punks are anyway.
What confuses me somewhat is that for a scene going for 1:1 Arnold CGI accuracy, they decided to put the guy on the right with a mohican.
Why?
SweetDonuts
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Was just boring for me, I couldn't wait for the film to end but it just kept going!
Go to popular cinema in town.
Buy IMAX 3D tickets for me and friend.
Pay out the ass for large popcorn and drinks.
Cinema is empty, only a few days after release. Not a good sign.
Start watching, seems alright.
1/2 way through, friend falls asleep.
3/4 way though, i almost do the same, but i don't, felt obliged to watch since I spent a small fortune going to watch it.
Me and friend walk out of cinema, disappointed and angry
Me and friend go home and watch Terminator 2 with an Indian takeaway. Feel happy again.
The movie was boring. Simple as that.
EDIT: Also, IMDB sucks. how did this movie have a 7.2 average around release?
Buy IMAX 3D tickets for me and friend.
Pay out the ass for large popcorn and drinks.
Cinema is empty, only a few days after release. Not a good sign.
Start watching, seems alright.
1/2 way through, friend falls asleep.
3/4 way though, i almost do the same, but i don't, felt obliged to watch since I spent a small fortune going to watch it.
Me and friend walk out of cinema, disappointed and angry
Me and friend go home and watch Terminator 2 with an Indian takeaway. Feel happy again.
The movie was boring. Simple as that.
EDIT: Also, IMDB sucks. how did this movie have a 7.2 average around release?
Have you got a bit of your day to spare? Good! Let me begin...
The script was awful. Aside from the fact that it literally displaces the entire franchise out of continuity, there are so many parts that don't make any sense that are pure plot conveniences:
1) What's the point of the liquid metal pools in the time displacement room?
2) How can just being dipped in liquid metal result in Pops acquiring the power to control it, isn't that like being dipped in chocolate and being able to control Hershey bars?
3) Who sent Pops back through time? Do the writers even know this?
4) How did Kyle suddenly see exactly the plot relevant details from a different timeline than his own?
5) If that is Kyle glimpsing the memories of alternate timeline Kyle with information imparted on him by himself, does that mean that version (with the memories) is adult Kyle post-Genisys?
6) If that's the case, why does post-Genisys Kyle still remember Judgement Day?
7) Is there a timeline where Kyle Prime goes back into the Genisys timeline and fails to destroy it, hence the memories of Judgement Day?
8) Why does SkyNet have to have a human representation that ages?
Should I go on? Okay!
9) Why would millions upon millions, including government organs, go gaga and prepurchase a mobile app that hasn't even been publically demonstrated yet?
10) Why would Terminators be used by SkyNet to drive trucks that could easily be automated (or at least built with more efficient robot drivers)?
11) If connection with SkyNet is what keeps all Terminators in the future running, how can they be running in the pre-SkyNet past?
12) Was the "come with me if you want to live" line a required bit of information Pops taught her about the future events or do somehow all these different characters keep improvising the same exact line verbatim?
13) Why does Pops turn into tiny ice crystals inside the time displacement machine just because he has some metal exposed (I'd get it if he was getting torn apart due to magnetism or something but...ice?)
14) If the CPU of a Terminator is the only thing required to finalize a time machine in 1984 that they've had 11 years to build, why doesn't Pops figure out how to make another one himself based on his own schematics (while Miles Bennett Dyson somehow figures out basically by looking at one in 1995)?
15) How do you build a damn time machine from scraps in the sewers in 1984 and all you need is a magic CPU to make it run?
Bonus point? All right!
A horribly miscast Emilia Clark, awful acting by Jai Courtney, generic action sequence after generic action sequence, CGI fail with the helicopter chase, laws of physics repeatedly ignored and come on, the "Bad Boys" scene...And a partridge in a pear tree!
The script was awful. Aside from the fact that it literally displaces the entire franchise out of continuity, there are so many parts that don't make any sense that are pure plot conveniences:
1) What's the point of the liquid metal pools in the time displacement room?
2) How can just being dipped in liquid metal result in Pops acquiring the power to control it, isn't that like being dipped in chocolate and being able to control Hershey bars?
3) Who sent Pops back through time? Do the writers even know this?
4) How did Kyle suddenly see exactly the plot relevant details from a different timeline than his own?
5) If that is Kyle glimpsing the memories of alternate timeline Kyle with information imparted on him by himself, does that mean that version (with the memories) is adult Kyle post-Genisys?
6) If that's the case, why does post-Genisys Kyle still remember Judgement Day?
7) Is there a timeline where Kyle Prime goes back into the Genisys timeline and fails to destroy it, hence the memories of Judgement Day?
8) Why does SkyNet have to have a human representation that ages?
Should I go on? Okay!
9) Why would millions upon millions, including government organs, go gaga and prepurchase a mobile app that hasn't even been publically demonstrated yet?
10) Why would Terminators be used by SkyNet to drive trucks that could easily be automated (or at least built with more efficient robot drivers)?
11) If connection with SkyNet is what keeps all Terminators in the future running, how can they be running in the pre-SkyNet past?
12) Was the "come with me if you want to live" line a required bit of information Pops taught her about the future events or do somehow all these different characters keep improvising the same exact line verbatim?
13) Why does Pops turn into tiny ice crystals inside the time displacement machine just because he has some metal exposed (I'd get it if he was getting torn apart due to magnetism or something but...ice?)
14) If the CPU of a Terminator is the only thing required to finalize a time machine in 1984 that they've had 11 years to build, why doesn't Pops figure out how to make another one himself based on his own schematics (while Miles Bennett Dyson somehow figures out basically by looking at one in 1995)?
15) How do you build a damn time machine from scraps in the sewers in 1984 and all you need is a magic CPU to make it run?
Bonus point? All right!
A horribly miscast Emilia Clark, awful acting by Jai Courtney, generic action sequence after generic action sequence, CGI fail with the helicopter chase, laws of physics repeatedly ignored and come on, the "Bad Boys" scene...And a partridge in a pear tree!
No, what the issue is, which is the whole point of this topic, that it gets way too much hate than it deserves. And that's what I'm talking about as well. So no, I'm not in agreement with all the flack it gets.
Flack.
Violence Jack
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It was better than I expected. Definitely the best Terminator film after T2. But there's too many questions I have about the alternate timelines to say that it was really great. Somethings just dont make any sense. And Jai Courtney still can't act.
Posted this in another thread:
I watched T2 as a kid and haven't seen it since. I was under the impression that the Terminator movies were supposed to be scary? I remember finding T2 scary as a kid. Wasn't it rated R?
Genysis is more like on some Transformers or other random action movie tip. Nobody gets remotely injured. There's no sense of tension at all.
I watched T2 as a kid and haven't seen it since. I was under the impression that the Terminator movies were supposed to be scary? I remember finding T2 scary as a kid. Wasn't it rated R?
Genysis is more like on some Transformers or other random action movie tip. Nobody gets remotely injured. There's no sense of tension at all.
HP_Wuvcraft
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It didn't just show up.
Unknown Soldier
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It completely upends the expectation that Judgment Day will be averted, because up until that point the entire franchise was built on the belief that humans had control of their own destinies and their extinction was entirely under their own control and could be prevented by making the right decisions. In T2, the overriding principle was expressed in Sarah Connor's unwavering faith in the statement "There is no fate but what we make for ourselves. The future is not set." In T3, the ending suddenly reverses that statement because the future was inevitable and all that could be done was ensure that humanity would survive and be able to resist Skynet after Judgment Day.
Watched it last night, didn't think it was the most horrible thing ever as I had previously heard.
Some interesting story bits here and there that could have been great, but it marred by an overall messiness. I enjoyed revisiting characters like JK Simmon's cop and the comedy that went with that, but it kind of went nowhere.
Didn't really feel like a Terminator film overall. With Hollywood the way it is, it could have been much worse.
It's an enjoyable watch to me because it was so batshit.
Some interesting story bits here and there that could have been great, but it marred by an overall messiness. I enjoyed revisiting characters like JK Simmon's cop and the comedy that went with that, but it kind of went nowhere.
Didn't really feel like a Terminator film overall. With Hollywood the way it is, it could have been much worse.
It's an enjoyable watch to me because it was so batshit.
Yes and yes. T2 literally gave me recurring nightmares for years. The tension is predicated on the knowledge/assumption that the Terminator's CAN NOT be stopped (Kyle Reese sells this pretty hard in a monologue in T1). Here in Genisys, robo-John Connor is in one scene and suddenly Arnie is like "here's this magnetic brass knuckle thing that will stop him from being scary or intimidating" completely neutering any possible tension in the process. Dumb dumb dumb.
Dark Ninja
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Watched it and I liked it? It wasn't horrible, it was pretty enjoyable and kept my attention. I liked the new terminator model and the pops terminator. If you compare it to one and two then it doesn't stand a chance, but I enjoyed it for what it was especially the nods to the older films and designs.
0.1.1.2.3.5.8.13.21.34.55
Banned
Because it sucked, obviously
I haven't seen it... But I know
I haven't seen it... But I know
Among the many other reasons listed by others here, then include the fact that it was a no-balls PG-13 piece of garbage.
How can you decide to make a Terminator movie that is not R?
T3 is even decent just because it's R and not afraid to show some brutality.
How can you decide to make a Terminator movie that is not R?
T3 is even decent just because it's R and not afraid to show some brutality.
Arnold was wonderful in nearly every scene.
Jai Courtney and Emilia Clarke are terrible actors with no charisma. JK Simmons put on an acting clinic compared to these "leads". Their romance scenes would be laughable if they weren't so offensively stupid.
The rest of the movie was a couple of good action scenes and ideas buried under a mountain of stupid.
I said stupid twice because the movie was that stupid.
Jai Courtney and Emilia Clarke are terrible actors with no charisma. JK Simmons put on an acting clinic compared to these "leads". Their romance scenes would be laughable if they weren't so offensively stupid.
The rest of the movie was a couple of good action scenes and ideas buried under a mountain of stupid.
I said stupid twice because the movie was that stupid.
yanipheonu
Member
I'll be honest I didn't see it, but from the trailers every role seemed miscast. Except Arnold I guess.
For a Robotic John Conner, he didn't seem to fit the role at all, and Sarah Conner seemed less commanding badass woman and more some girl trying to seem convincing.
For a Robotic John Conner, he didn't seem to fit the role at all, and Sarah Conner seemed less commanding badass woman and more some girl trying to seem convincing.
Liberty4all
Banned
Terrible movie. But fun Arny stuff.
MrCunningham
Member
The CGI and the body double who did Arnold here - amazing
The lighting, composition, casting of the punks scene generally = fucking plastic garbage compared to the original.
The original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv0Jc4ziS-U
Remake: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g_KAfOA4I8 (spoilers, if you haven't seen the movie)
It is funny how the CGI Arnold looks pretty good and almost spot on to the original, but everything around him feels so off. The punks seem so much softer in their attitudes in the remake.
Liberty4all
Banned
I never realized it until now but the punk form the original is my favorite "game over man!" marine from Aliens.
And yes the scene in the remake the punks were terrible.
That's Bill Paxton, dude.
MrCunningham
Member
Yup, James Cameron loved putting Bill Paxton in his movies. He was also in True Lies and Titanic as well.
Also, the "Fuck you, asshole!" line from Bill Paxton pays off later in the movie. The T800 reuses that line of dialogue in this scene. It drives the point that the T800 can learn and adapt.
Nikodemos
Member
Never understood why they went for diffuse lighting and matte make-up when the harsh neon glare and greasy reflections were an integral part of the original scene.
Did all the good scene composition directors (dunno what the actual position is called in cinematography) retire?
Oh, and the film suffers form the curse of PG-13 above everything else (uninspired casting, idiotic story, plot holes, crappy cinematography).
Watched it for free on UltraFlix, btw.
The Shadow
Member
I just watched it tonight and I must admit I didn't think it was that bad as people have said. Granted, I've read nothing but hate even before the movie came out, and the last terminator movie I saw was the third one, with the infamous "Talk to the hand" BS, so my expectations were pretty low.
In any case, Emilia Clark was way wrong for Sara Conner. She just doesn't have the look of someone who's particularly tough or been through a lot. Linda Hamilton was great for this, and a good modern day replacement would have been Emily Blunt.
The tone was too light-hearted as well. This is the same thing that happened with T3: RotM. Just way too many campy lines to get a laugh that really ruin the tone that was set so well with the original two. You never feel the sense of dread or threat when the big bad shows up unlike when Robert Patrick would pop into the scene in T2 which hurts this movie a lot.
But yeah, I thought it was ok overall. Not the complete embarrassment that RotM was but a movie that could have been far better overall if more attention was paid to the casting, editing, and script. Like, as much attention that was paid to the CGI of original Arnold, because holy shit that did not look CGI.
You missed one, or at least maybe it was a detail I missed in the movie.
Skynet sent the "updated" John Conner back in time with no ill effects, except at the climax of the movie, they used a time displacement machine to rip him apart.
In any case, Emilia Clark was way wrong for Sara Conner. She just doesn't have the look of someone who's particularly tough or been through a lot. Linda Hamilton was great for this, and a good modern day replacement would have been Emily Blunt.
The tone was too light-hearted as well. This is the same thing that happened with T3: RotM. Just way too many campy lines to get a laugh that really ruin the tone that was set so well with the original two. You never feel the sense of dread or threat when the big bad shows up unlike when Robert Patrick would pop into the scene in T2 which hurts this movie a lot.
But yeah, I thought it was ok overall. Not the complete embarrassment that RotM was but a movie that could have been far better overall if more attention was paid to the casting, editing, and script. Like, as much attention that was paid to the CGI of original Arnold, because holy shit that did not look CGI.
You missed one, or at least maybe it was a detail I missed in the movie.
Skynet sent the "updated" John Conner back in time with no ill effects, except at the climax of the movie, they used a time displacement machine to rip him apart.
careless mango
Member
I thought it was entertaining, although it was more or less a comedy movie to me.
Terminator movies should never show us the future in any great detail. The interesting stories are not about what happens in the future since we basically know that story already.
What makes Terminator 1 and 2 interesting is that Sarah and/or John are stuck in the present, with scary robots from the future and they have to make decisions while not knowing what is right or wrong or even if what they are doing matters. They are fighting with inferior technology against unstoppable machines.
Terminator 3 ruined the mythos by showing us Judgement day and telling us that no matter what they did, Judgement day was inevitable. Even if this would turn out to be true, they shouldn't have come out and said that, because how the fuck would the characters in the present know that?
Terminator Salvation is strange movie. I didn't hate it, but I also don't think it worked because so far the Terminator series hasn't given us a reason to care about the future because it keeps changing so much. Why be invested in that version of the future if Sarah and John are going to fight to prevent it?
Terminator: Genisys screws up the mythos by having people jumping around time, showing us future John Connor and turning him into something else. The John Connor of the future is a mythical figure and bringing us directly into that timeline ruins the mystique created by the stories Kyle Reese told in Terminator 1. Terminator starts out with Kyle Reese as the narrator and I think that is just the wrong perspective to for this story to be told.
Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles was actually enjoyable because they were stuck in the present trying to fight for the future not knowing what would happen. I was sad it was cancelled, but that happened right as things in that show were about to jump the shark anyways.
I suppose it is time for this franchise to die, but I love the original 2 movies so much and TSCC was a guilty pleasure. It would be nice for someone to get it right. Maybe James Cameron.
What makes Terminator 1 and 2 interesting is that Sarah and/or John are stuck in the present, with scary robots from the future and they have to make decisions while not knowing what is right or wrong or even if what they are doing matters. They are fighting with inferior technology against unstoppable machines.
Terminator 3 ruined the mythos by showing us Judgement day and telling us that no matter what they did, Judgement day was inevitable. Even if this would turn out to be true, they shouldn't have come out and said that, because how the fuck would the characters in the present know that?
Terminator Salvation is strange movie. I didn't hate it, but I also don't think it worked because so far the Terminator series hasn't given us a reason to care about the future because it keeps changing so much. Why be invested in that version of the future if Sarah and John are going to fight to prevent it?
Terminator: Genisys screws up the mythos by having people jumping around time, showing us future John Connor and turning him into something else. The John Connor of the future is a mythical figure and bringing us directly into that timeline ruins the mystique created by the stories Kyle Reese told in Terminator 1. Terminator starts out with Kyle Reese as the narrator and I think that is just the wrong perspective to for this story to be told.
Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles was actually enjoyable because they were stuck in the present trying to fight for the future not knowing what would happen. I was sad it was cancelled, but that happened right as things in that show were about to jump the shark anyways.
I suppose it is time for this franchise to die, but I love the original 2 movies so much and TSCC was a guilty pleasure. It would be nice for someone to get it right. Maybe James Cameron.
Say what you want about Salvation, at least it tried to push the franchise forward and be it's own thing instead of treading water and rehashing T1 and T2 like 3 and Genisys did. For that alone, it's the 3rd best Terminator movie.
It is sort of the superhero version of the franchise. It is sort of a Marvel superhero film and not a Terminator film.
There is some ridiculous shit going on there, but it is better then 3 and Salvation.
I enjoyed it.
The first two films are classic, the other two, whatever.
It is really silly, but the franchise already went to shit. I enjoyed it.
There are two Terminator films, and once you realize that and ignore the rest, they made a good false Terminator film.
It is acceptable and fun fan fiction.
There is some ridiculous shit going on there, but it is better then 3 and Salvation.
I enjoyed it.
The first two films are classic, the other two, whatever.
It is really silly, but the franchise already went to shit. I enjoyed it.
There are two Terminator films, and once you realize that and ignore the rest, they made a good false Terminator film.
It is acceptable and fun fan fiction.
JeTmAn81
Member
Genisys definitely felt like a fan-made film that somehow got Arnold to star. Like sure, whatever. There have been plenty of loopy comic book Terminator stories too.
ItWillGetBetter
Banned
Finally just saw this. AMAZING film. Everything about it was well done. I can't really think of a solid complaint. Better than T1, T2, and the others. Though i saw all those when I was way young. So yeah. Amazing.
Loved it. LOVED it. The ending was perfect too. No cliff-hanger, (tho an after-credit scene exists, but I haven't seen it).
Loved it. LOVED it. The ending was perfect too. No cliff-hanger, (tho an after-credit scene exists, but I haven't seen it).
Transistor
Banned
I just don't know what to say....
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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I don't hate it personally.
Thought it was better than T3 and Salvation even though I enjoy those movies too.
Thought it was better than T3 and Salvation even though I enjoy those movies too.
nkarafo
Member
Because it's a bad Terminator movie.
Also i need to stress this a bit. Yes OP, you had "some fun" with it. But having some fun, simply isn't enough for certain movie/game fans. People who loved the first 2 Terminator movies and consider them classic movies have some expectations. They are not happy with just "a bit of fun". And i can agree with them because that's how i feel as well.
Also i need to stress this a bit. Yes OP, you had "some fun" with it. But having some fun, simply isn't enough for certain movie/game fans. People who loved the first 2 Terminator movies and consider them classic movies have some expectations. They are not happy with just "a bit of fun". And i can agree with them because that's how i feel as well.
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