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[v1oz]

So all I have to do is create an alter-ego, and I will suddenly not become real?

Well yes. Once you become a troll I will not respect anything you say. Because all you do on the internet on the internet is say nasty vile things to people.

I will say it again: you demonstrate a clear lack of understanding regarding mental illness if you think this suggestion is remotely helpful.

I work with people with severe mental illness professionally. I know what I'm talking about.

I am making an observation about the pattern of your responses.

"It's just internet bullying, you should get over it" suggests that it is the responsibility of the person being bullied to "get over it" and not the responsibility of the person doing the bullying to stop the bullying.

What I said is you shouldn't listen to trolls and their opinions are invalid in my humble opinion.

Your problem is that you think everyone should agree with you and that you are always right. Hence this endless none stop back and forth. We are completely different people and we are all entitled to our own opinions & ways of thinking. They are no universal truths and no one is ever 'right' 100% all the time. You should learn to respect other people's opinions - they do not have to be the same as yours.

To use your exact words:

If the "onus" is on the individual being bulled to "get out of the worst of situations," the "onus" is implicitly not on the individual doing the bullying to stop doing things that have the effect of making people's lives "worse."

I find it hilariously sad that you think it is a good idea to tell someone who has low self-esteem that it is their own fault.

Out of context. You said people in the worst mental state are too unhealthy to get the help they need to get better "if you think that everyone who is in one is healthy enough to get themselves out of it."

And I said the onus is on the individual to go out there and get the help & support they need to improve their state. Help and support is out there if you really want it but no one can force it upon you, you have to want to get better yourself.

 

[Devolution]

I'm pretty sure I see what OJ Da Killer has been doing

Oh it's been obvious for a while he's been devil's advocating but his troll game is tryhard weaksauce.

 

[Deleted member 20920]

You got burned by your own hypocrisy and that's not exactly what you said either. But I don't really care as you're not really a cyberbully.

From the beginning it's been about trying to understand this guy plus considering if his wife's reaction was fair in the whole scope of things. I'm obviously not changing any minds here, nor do I like his behavior, it's just a question if speculation of someone's character is enough to end a marriage? And does someone making mean-spirited comments online give a conclusive view of a person's character when they've given you 9 plus years of a positive relationship? Asking these questions has really gotten some people worked the fuck up.

Basically, I think he's being judged too harshly and his wife is over reacting. Her concerns are some Minority Report type of shit. She's seeing what she chooses to see in his behavior. The husband probably felt justified calling people names as much as you did when you called me a piece of shit. Him rejecting therapy doesn't really matter as the issue is about trust and what he thinks, not just simply him going online and making comments. She can never know what he thinks. She'll never be able to trust him when she jumps to conclusions about what his online behavior "really means and what is he capable of." I think she probably suspicious of something else in the relationship and this behavior gave her confirmation of that suspicion. As I said, issue isolated, it's a large jump to make.

Also, do we really think he specialized in teenage suicide trolling? I'm sure he may have said something to someone amongst other mean things, but there's probably various levels of poor behavior. From calling people names, to hoping they die (first two happened to me in this thread alone) to suggesting people kill themselves. So he's only slightly worse than people visiting this thread alone.

Ultimately, judging someone based on the negative comments they've made online is an overly harsh microscope to judge someone's character by.

You seriously can't tell the difference between the two types of people? The man in question does bullying as a hobby. His comments probavly affected someone out there. And when told that he should stop and seek help or face the possibility of his family walking out, he chose to want to continue bullying people because it gives him a kick. The other group of people that you think are hypocritical are the ones calling him out for bullying. How is that the same? This person brought it upon himself, to be judged, for his behavior. It doesn't matter what he says or who he says it do. He has made it a hobby to do it often enough for us to call him a piece of shit. If you can't tell the difference then there is really nothing to discuss further.

As much as we like to pretend, the internet is as real as the real world. We can take on personas all we like but that doesn't mean that the things we say and do on the internet do not have consequences.

This is like the time when this famous blogger in my country faced insults from a bunch of horrible men because she went to a politically driven party. People called her slut, prostitute and asked her how much does she charge for her services per night. They accused her of sleeping with politicians, called her ugly and how they wouldn't sleep with her even if it was for free. These were grown men who have children and wives, people whose Facebook accounts were wide open for all to see I.e. zero privacy settings.

So after enduring shit like this for like years, it was the final straw and she posted the names and pictures of these people on her blog. And she was called out for it, asked on why she wants to shame these men publicly. You can't just think that reality is separated between the virtual and real. Just because you're hiding behind the screen doesn't mean that these things are ok and that the targeted ones should just grow a skin.

 

[Surface of Me]

He is an ass. She is misguided. They sound like they belong together.


Also, if anyone says they wouldn't want the dad raising your kids but say he is likely mentally ill, I hope you know most mental illnesses are passed down.

 

[Opiate]

In some ways, I judge people more harshly based on what they say online relative to what they say in person.

Both people you talk to in person and people you talk to on the internet are real people; I'm not sure how one could rationally argue otherwise. There are breathing, feeling, thinking human beings typing every post in this thread. The difference, then, is in the repercussions: it's quite clear how being an overt bigot and a bully to those close to you might have direct negative consequences for yourself -- lost friends, lost inheritance, lost job, etc.A lot of people who are secretly jerks deep down are able to be quite friendly at work just because it's in their best interest to play nice. By contrast, very little is on the line for you when you act like a jerk or a bully online. Outside some extenuating circumstances, most bullies on the internet get away with it, and suffer no real, personal consequences as a result of their behavior.

In short: I'm not impressed by people who can avoid being a massive jerk to their coworkers, as that's in a person's self interest. I'm much more impressed by people who are kind and compassionate when there is little or no consequence for being a selfish, cruel person.

 

[OJdaKiller]

I'm pretty sure I see what OJ Da Killer has been doing

I'm not even trying to get people riled up just stating a different opinion on an issue. I know the hive mind is strong here.

A sad clown would get people riled up around here. A slight breeze in the afternoon would have someone crying. Some people live to be offended.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Oh it's been obvious for a while he's been devil's advocating but his troll game is tryhard weaksauce.

I don't know if his previous devil's advocating was ever in good faith, though, considering this shit.

Coming out of the woodwork instantly as soon as you respond, busting off in his shorts at the chance to use "check your privilege" in a sentence, responding to me ONLY when I specifically call him out for bad trolling behavior instead of legitimately addressing any of my previous questions...

He was probably just trolling (the actual definition of trolling) the whole time. Which might not necessarily be a negative considering how many well-worded, thoughtful posts came from debunking his horseshit defense of this husband.

 

[Devolution]

I'm not even trying to get people riled up just stating a different opinion on an issue. I know the hive mind is strong here.

A sad clown would get people riled up around here. A slight breeze in the afternoon would have someone crying. Some people live to be offended.

Telling teens to kill themselves.

My my we're so easily offended.

You got us bruh.

I don't know if his previous devil's advocating was ever in good faith, though, considering this shit.

Coming out of the woodwork instantly as soon as you respond, busting off in his shorts at the chance to use "check your privilege" in a sentence...

He was probably just trolling (the actual definition of trolling) the whole time. Which might not necessarily be a negative considering how many well-worded, thoughtful posts came from debunking his horseshit defense of this husband.

See the post above yours.

"Different opinion." "You're also so easily offended." Blah de blah.

Tryhard trolling weaksauce.

 

[Snuggles]

Trolling as a term is based on a method of fishing where you drop bait behind your moving boat and wait for a gullible fishy to take it. In the context of the internet, it's all about dropping that bait and waiting for the responses that follow. This is often done by acting disingenuous in a provocative manner, but one could troll honestly in the right situation.

But then it splintered off into trolling meaning being like a troll under a bridge. Basically just being a disgusting person aka a youtube poster.

I don't know what the point of this post is but I typed all this so might as well send it.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

"Different opinion." "You're also so easily offended." Blah de blah.

Yeah, now he's just coughing up catchphrases like the grand finale of a small-town fireworks show. Either he recognized he didn't have a point and is trying to play "I meant to do that," or he never actually had a point and was doing some meta shit as a means to show people what trolling really is.

 

[shacklesmcgee]

I'm not even trying to get people riled up just stating a different opinion on an issue. I know the hive mind is strong here.

A sad clown would get people riled up around here. A slight breeze in the afternoon would have someone crying. Some people live to be offended.

You know most of the world is in on the whole hive mind when discussing telling teens to commit suicide, not just gaf. You must have missed the memo, they handed them out in the Privilege Check line earlier.

And you're right,

A sad clown would get people riled up around here

you did.

 

[Enco]

Would do the same thing if I found out my partner does that crap and refuses to stop.

Downright embarrassing. What a scumbag.

 

[v1oz]

It is disingenuous to tell others what views hold no weight or substance when they are victims of cyberbullying. Not everyone has thick skin, nor everyone should have to develop thick skin in the first place.

Being quiet or turning a blind eye doesn't solve the root issue. Most likely, ignoring spiteful or harmful remarks from trolls only reinforces their actions.

Not in my view and I repeat again. A random troll doesn't know you enough to be a good judge of your humanity and to have an opinion of you with any substance behind it. And much besides that internet Trolls leave vile comments for everyone as part of their behaviour regardless of any social norms. So personally I would not take anything they say at heart to maintain my own sanity.

It is the reality we all have to live with as you cannot stop trolling on unmoderated sites because there is a level of anonymity on the internet and there is also freedom of expression & speech - making it near impossible to ban insults from trolls. So regardless of whether you think I am being disingenuous or not, there are trolls on the internet who will call you fat, stupid and ugly. And a bit of old school internet wisdom does help, "do not need feed the trolls!!!".

However much as you would avoid negative people in the real world, the solution on the internet is to block them out (effectively ignoring them), this can be done using the tools available on most sites. If they persist (using multiple accounts and ip's) you can block them through the courts. If your mental state and self esteem is affected by the issue, then the best thing is to seek help and support.

If you have a better solution other than blocking out and ignoring trolls (since you say that re-enforces their actions), I would love to hear it?

 

[RoninChaos]

So dude gave up his wife and kid to call people names on the internet?

...Wowwwwwwww.

 

[Theorymon]

In some ways, I judge people more harshly based on what they say online relative to what they say in person.

Both people you talk to in person and people you talk to on the internet are real people; I'm not sure how one could rationally argue otherwise. There are breathing, feeling, thinking human beings typing every post in this thread. The difference, then, is in the repercussions: it's quite clear how being an overt bigot and a bully to those close to you might have direct negative consequences for yourself -- lost friends, lost inheritance, lost job, etc.A lot of people who are secretly jerks deep down are able to be quite friendly at work just because it's in their best interest to play nice. By contrast, very little is on the line for you when you act like a jerk or a bully online. Outside some extenuating circumstances, most bullies on the internet get away with it, and suffer no real, personal consequences as a result of their behavior.

In short: I'm not impressed by people who can avoid being a massive jerk to their coworkers, as that's in a person's self interest. I'm much more impressed by people who are kind and compassionate when there is little or no consequence for being a selfish, cruel person.

This is pretty much how I see internet behavior. In a way, I feel like the anonymity many parts of the internet gives people can show their true personality (though if facebook has shown anything, sometimes even a lack of anonymity won't stop this!). Sadly, situations like this. the many death / rape threats people get over trivial matters, and other incidents of cyber bullying tell me that many people may be far more be far more ugly on the inside than I once thought.

In this situation in particular, I think the wife made the best choice. Her husband refusing to get any help for his cyber bullying habits, and simply resorting to "stress" as an excuse would ring some alarms in my head. If my partner was selfish enough to harass other human beings under a veil of anonymity to deal with stress, without any considerations to how this effects another person's well being, I'd be fairly disgusted, and question his/her ability to maintain a relationship and a family.

 

[v1oz]

In some ways, I judge people more harshly based on what they say online relative to what they say in person.

Both people you talk to in person and people you talk to on the internet are real people; I'm not sure how one could rationally argue otherwise. There are breathing, feeling, thinking human beings typing every post in this thread.

I didn't say they were not real people who do not have a life in the real world. But I did say some people have multiple accounts which they use to play multiple personas with completely different personalities. You would know that if you have ever moderated a forum. To quote the psychologist Jung, a persona is "a kind of mask, designed on the one hand to make a definite impression upon others, and on the other to conceal the true nature of the individual". Your persona in the real world will be highly influenced by social norms and how you want others to perceive you. The internet has it's own set of rules and norms, and the way you interact with others is completely different. Therefore you can be a different persona on the internet, your persona could be a troll on the internet whilst also at the same time being a perfectly respectable individual in the real world. Humans can lead double lives (ie have an alter ego), a second self, which is somewhat distinct from a person's normal or original personality. Yes I am saying that people can go between two extremes, depending on the situation and the circumstances involved. People have been known to play internet gangstas and warriors, whilst being largely pacifist or even cowardly in the real world.

To me the real world is the physical world. And the internet is the cyber world made up of 1s and 0s. And socially there is a very clear gulf between the two. They are not the same and not to be casually compounded.

 

[Zakalwe]

In short: I'm not impressed by people who can avoid being a massive jerk to their coworkers, as that's in a person's self interest. I'm much more impressed by people who are kind and compassionate when there is little or no consequence for being a selfish, cruel person.

I like this perspective.

I would be really interested to see the online posting history of my close friends and family, knowing their real world temperaments, and seering if the kinder ones held up in a more detached environment.

It would be quite scary though, wondering if I were about to open something I couldn't close. Probably best not thinking about it.

 

[Menome]

TIL none of you are real people. I can be mean if to you if I feel like it. If you aren't real, what exactly are you anyways? Robots?

If I'm not real, then I call dibs on being a frolicking lesbian space-princess.

 

[Souldriver]

Just read the OP. I'm not sure if it's a true story, but even if it's not, it just for the first time made me realize how some people go on all kinds of sites being douchebags for fun (you see them on every forum and comment section), and well, it's pretty pathetic and fucked up.

 

[ZiZ]

why are people saying the man threw away his life?

it's the wife that's throwing everything away. She issued the ultimatum. she's the one that wants to kick him out.

 

[Zakalwe]

why are people saying the man threw away his life?

it's the wife that's throwing everything away. She issued the ultimatum. she's the one that wants to kick him out.

...because he is unwilling to stop and doesn't see it as a bad thing.

You don't udnerstand why that could ruin a relationship?

 

[Joel Was Right]

I run a twitter account where I share some of the most hateful comments left by people online (who used their real names and photographs) and would at times look at their profile. I would wonder whether their friends and relatives listed in their profile were aware of how hateful and bigoted this individual is.

Some people are just mean.

 

[FairXchange]

Sounds like he's a hateful person and the wife is right to want to be faraway from that kind of energy.

 

[ZiZ]

...because he is unwilling to stop and doesn't see it as a bad thing.

You don't udnerstand why that could ruin a relationship?

I understand it's a bad thing. but I don't see how it's enough to ruin a relationship. she definitely could've handled it better.

 

[v1oz]

...because he is unwilling to stop and doesn't see it as a bad thing.

You don't udnerstand why that could ruin a relationship?

It is a bad thing. But generally speaking not all wives leave their husband when they do bad things. Many wives stick with their men even when they go to jail. So you could argue that she doesn't really love her husband and is looking for a way out. And I'm not sure if issuing an ultimatum is the best way to get him to change either.

Another example would the wife of someone married to a military drone operator. Not many wives would leave their husband because he kills people (women and children included) indirectly for a living. And we all know that is a strong moral issue and one of the biggest crimes our times.

 

[Zaphod]

why are people saying the man threw away his life?

it's the wife that's throwing everything away. She issued the ultimatum. she's the one that wants to kick him out.

Many people do not want to sleep in the same bed with someone who bullies children and encourages suicide.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

I understand it's a bad thing. but I don't see how it's enough to ruin a relationship. she definitely could've handled it better.

The relationship is ruined by him.... and his chronic sociopathic tendencies. Not by her.

 

[Zakalwe]

I understand it's a bad thing. but I don't see how it's enough to ruin a relationship. she definitely could've handled it better.

It is a bad thing. But generally speaking not all wives leave their husband when they do bad things. Many wives stick with their men even when they go to jail. So you could argue that she doesn't really love her husband and is looking for a way out. And I'm not sure if issuing an ultimatum is the best way to get him to change either.

Another example would the wife of someone married to a military drone operator. Not many wives would leave their husband because he kills people (even women and children) indirectly for a living. And we all know that is a strong moral issue.

Assuming it's all real of course...

You guys do realise we're getting the abridged version here, right?

It's affected the wife to the point she requires councilling, and the husband is probably aware of this, yet unwilling to budge.

From everything we have I think it's much safer to assume she's handling it as best she can than being unreasonable. I mean, she's getting counsiling. Seems like she was willing to work it out at first.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

I didn't say they were not real people who do not have a life in the real world. But I did say some people have multiple accounts which they use to play multiple personas with completely different personalities. You would know that if you have ever moderated a forum. To quote the psychologist Jung, a persona is "a kind of mask, designed on the one hand to make a definite impression upon others, and on the other to conceal the true nature of the individual". Your persona in the real world will be highly influenced by social norms and how you want others to perceive you. The internet has it's own set of rules and norms, and the way you interact with others is completely different. Therefore you can be a different persona on the internet, your persona could be a troll on the internet whilst also at the same time being a perfectly respectable individual in the real world. Humans can lead double lives (ie have an alter ego), a second self, which is somewhat distinct from a person's normal or original personality. Yes I am saying that people can go between two extremes, depending on the situation and the circumstances involved. People have been known to play internet gangstas and warriors, whilst being largely pacifist or even cowardly in the real world.

To me the real world is the physical world. And the internet is the cyber world made up of 1s and 0s. And socially there is a very clear gulf between the two. They are not the same and not to be casually compounded.

"Duct tape is like the force. It has a light side, a dark side, and it holds the universe together." - Socrates

 

[CarpeDeezNutz]

For some reason I thought he was trolling in a group called "progress spics".

Wtf at leaving his wife, and his baby!?

 

[Two Words]

Well yes. Once you become a troll I will not respect anything you say. Because all you do on the internet on the internet is say nasty vile things to people.




I work with people with severe mental illness professionally. I know what I'm talking about.




What I said is you shouldn't listen to trolls and their opinions are invalid in my humble opinion.

Your problem is that you think everyone should agree with you and that you are always right. Hence this endless none stop back and forth. We are completely different people and we are all entitled to our own opinions & ways of thinking. They are no universal truths and no one is ever 'right' 100% all the time. You should learn to respect other people's opinions - they do not have to be the same as yours.


Out of context. You said people in the worst mental state are too unhealthy to get the help they need to get better "if you think that everyone who is in one is healthy enough to get themselves out of it."

And I said the onus is on the individual to go out there and get the help & support they need to improve their state. Help and support is out there if you really want it but no one can force it upon you, you have to want to get better yourself.

I love when people pull the "hey it's my opinion. You gotta respect that we all think different" card. It's deliciously bullshit.

 

[Brawndo Addict]

To me the real world is the physical world. And the internet is the cyber world made up of 1s and 0s. And socially there is a very clear gulf between the two. They are not the same and not to be casually compounded.

Well its easy to defend a position when you just make up baseless distinctions. Everything is in the physical world, there is no reason to distinguish between the social sphere of the internet anymore than it is to distinguish between home and work. It's just a rationalization to defend abhorrent behavior.

People are multifaceted, it's very true. But that has no bearing on whether I can judge them for behavior outside the sphere of where I normally interact with them. I will be disgusted with a co-worker if I find out they are racist outside of the workplace, regardless of where that other place happens to be. That they do it on the internet isn't a defense, it's an excuse, they just don't want to be uniformly held to the same standards of human decency in all areas of their life. It's not my dominant personality isn't a defense, no one gives a shit if you are only sexist at home with your wife or racist on the internet, it's still you and you're still choosing to engage in that behavior.

You may have an idea of why people do these things on the internet and not in 'outside' life, but don't conflate that with a bar against moral judgements. That the activity takes place in a different location doesn't alter the reasonableness of attaching social consequences in of itself, to quote a law saying: it goes to weight not admissibility.

 

[Marvel]

Wow, fascinating that he doesn't feel like he has to change or stop the behavior but also very sad.

 

[prag16]

Transforming into a spiteful monster when you go online is a pretty big departure from simply enjoying insincerity.

This man went beyond 'trolling'. He was a hateful, disgusting bully.

I was initially gonna say the wife is overreacting when all I saw was the title and the fact that she may leave him.

But after reading... yeah, I don't consider this guy a mere "troll". He goes orders of magnitude beyond that it sounds like. Truly disgusting behavior.

And he seems to be choosing internet trolling over his wife and unborn child. Which js... amazing.

To me the real world is the physical world. And the internet is the cyber world made up of 1s and 0s. And socially there is a very clear gulf between the two. They are not the same and not to be casually compounded.

What? Nonsense. I have internet friends that are better friends than some "real" friends. While not EXACTLY the same, internet interactions are still real, with real people. People abusing the level of anonymity afforded in order to act like jackasses doesn't make it not real.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

I love when people pull the "hey it's my opinion. You gotta respect that we all think different" card. It's deliciously bullshit.

"Hey, why did your husband place a sex ad on Craigslist?"
He did?
"Yeah, five creeps showed up wanting to gang bang our underage daughter and we had to call the police to get them to leave"
Oh right, that was just his persona. It's a Carl Jung thing.
"Oh okay, cool. I knew John's actually a good guy. Sounds like he's really well-read too."

 

[v1oz]

Assuming it's all real of course...

You guys do realise we're getting the abridged version here, right?

It's affected the wife to the point she requires councilling, and the husband is probably aware of this, yet unwilling to budge.

From everything we have I think it's much safer to assume she's handling it as best she can than being unreasonable. I mean, she's getting counsiling. Seems like she was willing to work it out at first.

Fair enough. I just hope she ends up making the best decision for her family. If the husband was reasonable enough he would change for her and keeping the family together.

 

[Two Words]

People that act like dicks online are just showing their true nature when the liabilities of society are removed. People used to say "how you treat a waiter tells a lot about you" but now it should be "how you treat people online tells a lot about you.

 

[v1oz]

I love when people pull the "hey it's my opinion. You gotta respect that we all think different" card. It's deliciously bullshit.

Right it's bullshit when someone has an opinion you don't agree with. That is a pretty radical way of thinking. Those sort of thought patterns are what lead to fascism and totalitarianism. You are right and I am wrong, I see.

 

[Brawndo Addict]

Fair enough. I just hope she ends up making the best decision for her family. If the husband was reasonable enough he would change for her and keeping the family together.

If you don't believe in 100% truth how could there possibly be a best decision? That's a very absolutist word. Wouldn't the more reasonable response be to say that since it's all relative that the wife alone is in the best and perhaps only position to truly make a informed decision.

 

[prag16]

People that act like dicks online are just showing their true nature when the liabilities of society are removed. People used to say "how you treat a waiter tells a lot about you" but now it should be "how you treat people online tells a lot about you.

I agree with this. If somebody act like a piece of garbage while protected by anonymity, it definitely paints a picture.

 

[Two Words]

Right it's bullshit when someone has an opinion you don't agree with. That is a pretty radical way of thinking. Those sort of thought patterns are what lead to fascism and totalitarianism.

Ahh, the good old "facism" card. An excellent card to pull in any discussion/argument which you are losing. It doesn't matter if anybody is actually trying to oppress you or physically force you to recant your opinion. All it takes is a good argument against your point and you can just say "hey it's my opinion. Can't touch me. Respect it."

 

[Aaron-Lagann]

I did some mindless hate stuff when I first had unsupervised access to the internet at like 14, but it quickly became boring since people always gave one of a few outraged responses. Then I grew to realize it was just a dick thing to do, no idea how an adult would still find it amusing.

Still, separation and probably divorce seems a tad harsh for something that he apparently has never shown signs of, especially with a kid on the way, but I don't know anything about marriage or whatever, so I don't really have an opinion.

 

[Two Words]

I did some mindless hate stuff when I first had unsupervised access to the internet at like 14, but it quickly became boring since people always gave one of a few outraged responses. Then I grew to realize it was just a dick thing to do, no idea how an adult would still find it amusing.

Still, separation and probably divorce seems a tad harsh for something that he apparently has never shown signs of, especially with a kid on the way, but I don't know anything about marriage or whatever, so I don't really have an opinion.

Why would anybody want to be married to somebody who spends their spare telling troubled teens to go kill themselves?

 

[v1oz]

If you don't believe in 100% truth how could there possibly be a best decision? That's a very absolutist word. Wouldn't the more reasonable response be to say that since it's all relative that the wife alone is in the best and perhaps only position to truly make a informed decision.

You are right I don't believe in 100% truth. But I believe some outcomes can be preferred to others. If being in the this relationship is now affecting her mentally, she should make the best decision relative to her own welfare even if her husband suffers.

 

[v1oz]

Ahh, the good old "facism" card. An excellent card to pull in any discussion/argument which you are losing. It doesn't matter if anybody is actually trying to oppress you or physically force you to recant your opinion. All it takes is a good argument against your point and you can just say "hey it's my opinion. Can't touch me. Respect it."

I don't think i'm losing any of the arguments. That's your perspective not mine.

 

[Andeeeh]

Fascinating to see a man give up his life to continue to be a cunt on the internets. I hope it really weighs down on him in the end and gives it up.

That woman and kid deserves better.

 

[Aaron-Lagann]

Why would anybody want to be married to somebody who spends their spare telling troubled teens to go kill themselves?

I don't know, and him refusing to stop is what's actually stupid, either way, it just seems like kind of a small thing to end a marriage over, to me, at least. Especially since she had no idea up until now.

Also, not trying to defend him or make it seem like what he's doing isn't super shitty, but it doesn't seem worth destroying your life over.

 

[Two Words]

I don't know, and him refusing to stop is even more stupid, either way, it just seems like kind of a small thing to end a marriage over, to me, at least. Especially since she had no idea up until now.

Also, not trying to defend him or make it seem like what he's doing isn't super shitty, but it doesn't seem worth destroying your life over.

I don't get the "since she had no idea up until now". It's not like it's something he did long ago and stopped. It's something he does today. Her not knowing until now shouldn't really matter. Acting like a monster to strangers isn't a small thing either. It's showing your true nature to people that can't retaliate.


Getting divorced isn't destroying her life. She doesn't need him to have a life.

 

[Zombine]

Making people feel awful about who they are, while maintaining the facade that you are a good human being to those who are within your circle is deceptive, and this woman felt as if the bond she had with her marriage was broken. Deception, abuse, infidelity, ect. are all grounds for divorce. I don't blame her for her decision to separate from her husband. She is under no obligation to stay with a horrible human being. She had that child with him before she realized he had problems.

 

[Aaron-Lagann]

Getting divorced isn't destroying her life. She doesn't need him to have a life.

Destroying her life meaning destroying the life she has currently and having to start anew.