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[BobLoblaw]

I'm cut, and whenever I see an uncut one (pron bro), I recoil. Anyway, on topic it is really weird that she'd drag her perfectly healthy son in for one. She probably just didn't know any better and thought she was doing the right thing. Either way, I'm sure they'll both be fine.

 

[Red]

There is nothing wrong with circumcision when it is deemed medically necessary. It should not be done unless there is a need for it. What other parts of the body are okay to cut off for the heck of it? I've seen the argument that circumcision reduces risk of problems in the future. Is it okay to remove the appendix of a child to remove his future risk of appendicitis? Someone might make the argument that the appendix serves a more crucial function than the foreskin, so it is not comparable. Let's assume the foreskin is a solely cosmetic feature (though it is not). Is it okay to cut off the lobule of a child's ear, or the very tip of a lesser-used finger?

 

[crisdecuba]

They did it to my dad when he was 9 years old and was getting his tonsils removed. =

Did it ruin his relationship with his parents, as others are saying it would?

 

[LordOfChaos]

I'm cut, and whenever I see an uncut one (pron bro), I recoil. Anyway, on topic it is really weird that she'd drag her perfectly healthy son in for one. She probably just didn't know any better and thought she was doing the right thing. Either way, I'm sure they'll both be fine.

That's just what you're used to. I recoil seeing gnarly circumcision scars in porn. It's just what's culturally ingrained.

 

[Keasar]

Why would it make you feel different? Do you live in a place where the majority of people are not circumcised? Or did the circumcision itself go badly in someway?

Believe it or not, there are a bunch of countries where circumcision is considered odd and generally frowned upon. Like pretty much all of Scandinavia.

Here in Sweden it is seen often as a religiously nutty and unnecessary thing that no respectful doctor would not advice against.

 

[olore]

Same level as female genital mutilation.

aka don't do it to your kids unless medically necessary.

Ha. Hyperbole if I've ever read it. All the swedish women have loved a circumcised and staminafilled penis

 

[Neuromancer]

Did it ruin his relationship with his parents, as others are saying it would?

No but he was very unhappy about it.

 

[AuthenticM]

That shit should be illegal.

 

[The Futurist]

There is nothing wrong with circumcision when it is deemed medically necessary. It should not be done unless there is a need for it. What other parts of the body are okay to cut off for the heck of it? I've seen the argument that circumcision reduces risk of problems in the future. Is it okay to remove the appendix of a child to remove his future risk of appendicitis? Someone might make the argument that the appendix serves a more crucial function than the foreskin, so it is not comparable. Let's assume the foreskin is a solely cosmetic feature (though it is not). Is it okay to cut off the lobule of a child's ear, or the very tip of a lesser-used finger?

It takes literally 5 seconds to google the medical reasons for circumcision.

Taken from the Mao Clinic website.

Which I'm pretty sure is more qualified to answer these questions that people on a gaming forum comparing it to FGM.

Pros

- Easier hygiene. Circumcision makes it simpler to wash the penis. Washing beneath the foreskin of an uncircumcised penis is generally easy, however.

- Decreased risk of urinary tract infections. The overall risk of urinary tract infections in males is low, but these infections are more common in uncircumcised males. Severe infections early in life can lead to kidney problems later on.

- Decreased risk of sexually transmitted infections. Circumcised men might have a lower risk of certain sexually transmitted infections, including HIV. Still, safe sexual practices remain essential.

- Prevention of penile problems. Occasionally, the foreskin on an uncircumcised penis can be difficult or impossible to retract (phimosis). This can lead to inflammation of the foreskin or head of the penis.

- Decreased risk of penile cancer. Although cancer of the penis is rare, it's less common in circumcised men. In addition, cervical cancer is less common in the female sexual partners of circumcised men.

Cons

- The foreskin might be cut too short or too long

- The foreskin might fail to heal properly

- The remaining foreskin might reattach to the end of the penis, requiring minor surgical repair


http://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/circumcision/basics/why-its-done/prc-20013585

 

[Skellig Gra]

No but he was very unhappy about it.

lol that might be the understatement of the year.

 

[crisdecuba]

There is nothing wrong with circumcision when it is deemed medically necessary. It should not be done unless there is a need for it. What other parts of the body are okay to cut off for the heck of it? I've seen the argument that circumcision reduces risk of problems in the future. Is it okay to remove the appendix of a child to remove his future risk of appendicitis? Someone might make the argument that the appendix serves a more crucial function than the foreskin, so it is not comparable. Let's assume the foreskin is a solely cosmetic feature (though it is not). Is it okay to cut off the lobule of a child's ear, or the very tip of a lesser-used finger?

As an uncircumcised person, I wish I'd been circumcised - it would have avoided several issues that I've had to work through as an adult. This is why we circumcised our boys. Yes, it was okay.

 

[ramparter]

I'll say this, that's a great way to get your kid to never trust you again. Hell, maybe not trust anyone.

Yup, one day she will face the consequences of her actions.

 

[Skellig Gra]

It takes literally 5 seconds to google the medical reasons for circumcision.

Taken from the Mao Clinic website.

Which I'm pretty sure is more qualified to answer these questions that people on a gaming forum comparing it to FGM.

Pros

- Easier hygiene. Circumcision makes it simpler to wash the penis. Washing beneath the foreskin of an uncircumcised penis is generally easy, however.

- Decreased risk of urinary tract infections. The overall risk of urinary tract infections in males is low, but these infections are more common in uncircumcised males. Severe infections early in life can lead to kidney problems later on.

- Decreased risk of sexually transmitted infections. Circumcised men might have a lower risk of certain sexually transmitted infections, including HIV. Still, safe sexual practices remain essential.

- Prevention of penile problems. Occasionally, the foreskin on an uncircumcised penis can be difficult or impossible to retract (phimosis). This can lead to inflammation of the foreskin or head of the penis.

- Decreased risk of penile cancer. Although cancer of the penis is rare, it's less common in circumcised men. In addition, cervical cancer is less common in the female sexual partners of circumcised men.

Cons

- The foreskin might be cut too short or too long

- The foreskin might fail to heal properly

- The remaining foreskin might reattach to the end of the penis, requiring minor surgical repair


http://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/circumcision/basics/why-its-done/prc-20013585

Under the cons list, I did get an update from my wife. Apparently the 2 year old is allergic to the medication used on the wound and it swelled up like 5x normal size and is covered in puss.

 

[thelatestmodel]

All circumcision is fucked up unless medically necessary.

 

[Red]

It takes literally 5 seconds to google the medical reasons for circumcision.

Taken from the Mao Clinic website.

Which I'm pretty sure is more qualified to answer these questions that people on a gaming forum comparing it to FGM.

Pros

- Easier hygiene. Circumcision makes it simpler to wash the penis. Washing beneath the foreskin of an uncircumcised penis is generally easy, however.

- Decreased risk of urinary tract infections. The overall risk of urinary tract infections in males is low, but these infections are more common in uncircumcised males. Severe infections early in life can lead to kidney problems later on.

- Decreased risk of sexually transmitted infections. Circumcised men might have a lower risk of certain sexually transmitted infections, including HIV. Still, safe sexual practices remain essential.

- Prevention of penile problems. Occasionally, the foreskin on an uncircumcised penis can be difficult or impossible to retract (phimosis). This can lead to inflammation of the foreskin or head of the penis.

- Decreased risk of penile cancer. Although cancer of the penis is rare, it's less common in circumcised men. In addition, cervical cancer is less common in the female sexual partners of circumcised men.

Cons

- The foreskin might be cut too short or too long

- The foreskin might fail to heal properly

- The remaining foreskin might reattach to the end of the penis, requiring minor surgical repair


http://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/circumcision/basics/why-its-done/prc-20013585

There are no good medical arguments for or against.

It is a moral and ethical issue, and mayoclinic does not weigh in with a value judgment.

You haven't countered my point. If I removed the arm of a newborn, he would have a 0% risk of breaking his finger in the future. That doesn't make it the right decision. Cutting off a part of a child's body to reduce the negligible chance of some illness in the future is the wrong choice to make in every circumstance.

 

[LordOfChaos]

snip (heh)

Literally only one person compared it to FGM, and yes that is silly.

The listed pros make no mention of how common those issues would be, i.e penile cancer is very rare, UTIs are easily treatible without dick snipping, etc.

It also doesn't make arguments from personal autonomy, etc.

it's also hardly extensive.

In the largest study on circumcision in South Korea, Seoul University found 33% of men who were circumcised during adulthood reported difficulty attaining sexual gratification, 63% said masturbation less enjoyable, and 11% had "frequent" orgasm difficulties.
(Kim, Peng et all, Seoul University)

 

[Linkark07]

Same thing happened to me, but I was 8 years old and my little brother getting close to 5. He had some kind of infection there, and my parents decided to circumcise my penis too.

All I remember was the first weeks were painful, in fact, I had to skip the start of the school year. After that, everything has been fine.

As for the relationship with my parents? Fine. I hardly have memories before my penis was circumcised anyways.

 

[Twilight Princess]

The older one might develop problems later on, since his full brother has phimosis, he's certainly at risk. i guess they can wait and see if he starts peeing blood a few years later.

 

[norm9]

Under the cons list, I did get an update from my wife. Apparently the 2 year old is allergic to the medication used on the wound and it swelled up like 5x normal size and is covered in puss.

But contradicts the Pro side's prevention of penile problems. Feel bad for the two boys. Unless it's absolutely necessary for health reasons, snipping a little child's dick is barbaric for the sake of tradition.

 

[Banjo-Kazooie]

Groupon is stepping up their game

 

[Skellig Gra]

Groupon is stepping up their game

Ayyy

 

[RageWaffles]

It's easier for the parent(s) because if both sons are done then they won't see each other's wangs at some point and ask uncomfortable questions?

this is why I'm glad that when my brother needed his appendix removed, my mom had mine taken out as well. those questions about why he had a scar would have been so uncomfortable.

 

[johancruijff]

Imagine if this woman thinks about sex questions

Chop chop

Poor children

 

[Earthstrike]

Heard this story from my wife the other day and wanted GAF's hot take on this as it skirts both lines of the typical arguments. So here is the backstory.

My wife's co-worker is from Portugal where circumcision is not common. She has 2 boys, one aged 2 and the other 5. The 2 year old has some medical condition where a circumcision was deemed necessary. Don't ask me what but I think it was some sort of infection.

So, she decides since the first one is already going to be there might as well get the 2nd one done too because "its easier". The 5 year old is perfectly healthy no issues at all. She didn't even tell him beforehand, just went in drugged him and he woke up with his dick bandaged up.

Now, where do you fall on this? Personally, I'm in the camp of let the boy/man decide what to do when he is old enough to make a decision like that. I can at least see the logical steps for newborns because they won't necessarily remember the pain/religious tradition. However, when you are 5 its a different story I think people might come down a little differently.

The woman is a fucking idiot. Let's subject my kid to a medically unnecessary procedure just because it might save her time in the future if it comes up again? Fuck that.

 

[thiscoldblack]

I'm amazed how much they still push circumcision in hospitals. When my boy was born six months ago I had to refuse circumcision no less than three times. Different people kept coming in to 'schedule' it. One even came in with the assumption it was going forward.

It feels like if you don't feel strongly one way or another some hospitals will definitely assume and/or steer parents towards it.

Happened to me as well. I was surprised, to say the least.

I believe this should be asked before checking in to the hospital.

 

[talkingood]

The practice should 100% be made illegal, the fact that she did it to a 5 year-old boy who is aware of his body is absolutely disgusting. I would be uncomfortable working with this person if this is how her poor her judgment is.

 

[Kickz]

Interesting. I was wondering where very pro circumcision people would land on this. So the line for you is that you need to do it young so they don't remember the pain.

I got it done at age 7 and there was no pain so I dont get where that comes from.

 

[megalowho]

Mutilation?

A circumcision is not mutilation. Let's not get carried away.

It's also fairly widely accepted that the medical pros outweigh the cons.

Not a huge deal. The real potential issue here is the age. 5 is a bit much.

Again, not the end of the world and nothing to get yourselves worked up about.

Yeah, I'm not getting the visceral negative reaction. For most issues GAF tends to err on the side of science and doctor recommendation but not when it comes to dicks I guess. Then parents know best.

 

[crisdecuba]

The practice should 100% be made illegal, the fact that she did it to a 5 year-old boy who is aware of his body is absolutely disgusting. I would be uncomfortable working with this person if this is how her poor her judgment is.

This makes no sense. I wish my parents had done it for me as a baby / child. Stop advocating for illegality - it's an extreme and indefensible position.

 

[norm9]

I got it done at age 7 and there was no pain so I dont get where that comes from.

It doesn't hurt if there's barely anything there to begin with, nahmean.

 

[ghostofsparta]

Ah a circumcision thread.

Let me wrap up 15 pages for you

Pro circumcision: it looks nicer, it's cleaner, I have it and I'm fine so my kids will be too

Against circumcision: it's unnatural, it's unnecessary, you're harming your kid, it should be the kid's decision

 

[crisdecuba]

Ah a circumcision thread.

Let me wrap up 15 pages for you

Pro circumcision: it looks nicer, it's cleaner, I have it and I'm fine so my kids will be too

Against circumcision: it's unnatural, you're mutilating your kid, it should be the kid's decision

You can add to the pro side: I don't have it, I've had issues, I wish I'd had it.

 

[Undefined]

circumcision.
no breathing.
dont give fuck if i cut my dick bleeding.

 

[j_rocca42]

All circumcision is fucked up unless medically necessary.

Nope.

 

[thecouncil]

She should have her kids taken away.

 

[Vincent Grayson]

This makes no sense. I wish my parents had done it for me as a baby / child. Stop advocating for illegality - it's an extreme and indefensible position.

It's pretty easy to defend actually. No one should be subject to a cosmetic surgical procedure without express consent.

 

[Desmond]

That is completely fucked up.

Yep.

Even then it is something that is often recommended in cases where there are other less permanent and less invasive methods of alleviating the supposed problem. Stretching, creams, dorsal slit... whatever.

These did nothing for me. Surgery was the only option.

 

[SummitAve]

I have no interest in doing the research, but isn't the procedure just a quick snip? What takes more time and work, a circumcision, hair cut, or vasectomy?

 

[perfectchaos007]

She should have her kids taken away.

For decreasing their health risks? Are you against immunizing your kids too?

 

[j_rocca42]

I have no interest in doing the research, but isn't the procedure just a quick snip? What takes more time and work, a circumcision, hair cut, or vasectomy?

Hair cut for sure. My wife's a stylist and hair cuts drag on FOREVER!!!

 

[Macka]

circumcision.
no breathing.
dont give fuck if i cut my dick bleeding.

Pure gold.

 

[johancruijff]

I have no interest in doing the research, but isn't the procedure just a quick snip? What takes more time and work, a circumcision, hair cut, or vasectomy?

Fade circumcision> fade hair cut> Vasectomy> circumcision> Haircut

 

[Afrikan]

So like removing wisdom teeth huh. Just get them all done on one visit.

Good thing the woman's husband didn't go along for the Doctor's visit. D:

 

[Llyranor]

I known someone whose son had a botched circumcision and ended up with a partial amputation of the glans :/ Fortunately, it is a very rare complication.

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

I'm cut, and whenever I see an uncut one (pron bro), I recoil. Anyway, on topic it is really weird that she'd drag her perfectly healthy son in for one. She probably just didn't know any better and thought she was doing the right thing. Either way, I'm sure they'll both be fine.

Which is really ironic since yours is the one that was surgically disfigured (Yes, I know, that word seems charged, but it's technically true).

Anyway, if I had a son who got an infection in his arm and had to have it amputated, I wouldn't chop off my other kid's arm just to avoid something similar happening in the future. Overreaction on the mom's part imo. For those freaking out about the extreme example, I wouldn't do it for something like Tonsil's or an appendix either. Leave it be if it ain't broke unless it's incredibly likely to happen (aka mastectomy with a long family history of breast cancer etc.)

 

[Skellig Gra]

I got it done at age 7 and there was no pain so I dont get where that comes from.

no pain? idontbelieveyou.gif

But seriously, it's surgery where they use anesthesia so I'm not sure why you say there is no pain.

Ah a circumcision thread.

Let me wrap up 15 pages for you

Pro circumcision: it looks nicer, it's cleaner, I have it and I'm fine so my kids will be too

Against circumcision: it's unnatural, it's unnecessary, you're harming your kid, it should be the kid's decision

This is a new wrinkle, we've had several pro-circumcision people against this so I think my work is done for finding common ground against blood enemies.

 

[SugarDaddy]

I've known quite a few people who have been circumcised around 16-18, they never seemed to think it was as bad as I thought it would be for them

 

[King_Moc]

Same level as female genital mutilation.

aka don't do it to your kids unless medically necessary.

Fucking hell, no it most certainly is not.

There really needs to be more education on FGM.

 

[Hitlersaurus Christ]

I am proud to walk the path between both worlds, appearing normally circumcised at first glance but able to stretch my nigh-invisible leftover foreskin as an uncut man would during dirty deeds due to reasons unknown to even myself

I am glad I've told you all about my penis

 

[Macka]

I known someone whose son had a botched circumcision and ended up with a partial amputation of the glans :/ Fortunately, it is a very rare complication.

A rare complication from a surgery that is entirely unnecessary for a baby.

If it becomes an issue in later life, sure, but for Americans it seems to be mostly a cosmetic thing, which is kinda fucked up.