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Wii sales: The Famitsu version!
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Zerodoppler
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There goes the third party support. Hopefully they'll still be on board the Virtual Console.
The third party wii sales are terrible. There's no way you can spin it otherwise. Why are people blaming third parties for not understanding nintendo's strategy? What do you want them to do, create mini-game collections and non-games? Are people going to eventually pick up third party games, or will they just wait for the next nintendo IP?
MrSardonic
The nerdiest nerd of all the nerds in nerdland
HisshouBuraiKen said:
Shame none of them made a good enough game then.
damisa said:
Sales for the first 2 days. People don't usually buy more than 2 games at launch. Nintendo provided Wii Sports and Zelda (AAA titles), WarioWare, and Wii Play with a free Wiimote. It's hardly a surprise that no third party game has sold much yet...trying to predict the future of 3rd parties on Wii based on the first 2 days of Japanese sales is ridiculous.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
I wonder how many companies who "shifted resources from other consoles" to the Wii recently are kicking themselves in the ass right now.
Sure, development costs are cheaper, but if you can only sell 8k at launch, those 15-20mil budgeted games can't seem so bad anymore, heh.
Sad, sad.
Lets go gluttenous Americans. Buy EVERYTHING, save the world.
Sure, development costs are cheaper, but if you can only sell 8k at launch, those 15-20mil budgeted games can't seem so bad anymore, heh.
Sad, sad.
Lets go gluttenous Americans. Buy EVERYTHING, save the world.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
IIRC, there were a ton of Wii Sports ads in Japan showing a variety of social situations invloving families, friends, etc. playing Wii Sports together. To me, it sounds like Wii Sports was more heaily advertised and is simply more appealing because it so obviously utilizes the new remote. I would wager that Zelda's sales will pick up and stay steady in the coming weeks.
damisa said:
It's a chicken and egg situation. Will people buy 3rd party games, or will developers actually make good 3rd party games?
The only games worth getting there are SMB: never a big franchise in Japan as noted by others; Trauma Centre: an incredibly niche title that should have steady sales over time; Super Swing Golf: which is competing against Wii Sports currently and possibly Elebits: another niche game that doesn't scream mainstream.
That's what people mean about Nintendo's strategy -- games that appeal to everyone. Not just 'mini-game collections and non-games'.
And of course Nintendo games will dominate at the moment. People just plonked down for a new system. They don't have money to buy every game under the sun. Zelda and Wii Play are almost certainties. Ask yourself what the next game they'd buy would be. Most likely Wario or Wii Sports (the latter having the biggest marketing campaign behind it).
With there not being a huge list of titles in the coming weeks we can expect to see 3rd party games to keep a modest sales level as people go back to buy more, and as more systems are sold.
MrSardonic
The nerdiest nerd of all the nerds in nerdland
John Harker said:
Only the stupid ones who think 2 days of Japanese launch sales are indicative of their potential for profit on Wii.
but third party sales need to be put into context, which has been said many times already.damisa said:
we're looking at 2 day sales from a launch with 3 major titles and 1 controller companion from nintendo, whereas the third party titles represent quick cash ins, given limited resources.
if new, main series versions of mgs, we, re, etc, or other major new ips were launched with wii, all with the potential of 500k - 1 million+ sales, and they really tanked, then yes, things would maybe look grim for third parties, but this isn't the case.
exactly.medrew said:
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
MrSardonic said:
Or, ya know, the ones who did the same thing for the GC
Maybe the third party situation will be like the DS third party crap.. where it was like "Emm sure its a nintendo console" - sells like shit - "No way nintendo."
"Please? pretty please? plllllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaasseeee? No? Okay then"
Then they release Brain Age and Co. and system starts selling and suddenly a bunch of third party developers are on board.
Or not.
"Please? pretty please? plllllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaasseeee? No? Okay then"
Then they release Brain Age and Co. and system starts selling and suddenly a bunch of third party developers are on board.
Or not.
I'm failing to see any problem here. I don't have a Wii yet (gasp, credibility shot), but I know that I plan on getting a Wii sometime in February at the earliest. I'll get Zelda and Wii Play (for the controller) first, and probably won't buy anything for the next month - at which point comes time for me to get Trauma Center.
I don't see why it is so surprising that many other people are choosing to do something similar, or why people are upset about a tie-ratio of around 1.8.
I don't see why it is so surprising that many other people are choosing to do something similar, or why people are upset about a tie-ratio of around 1.8.
Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
I don't think third parties really play that significantly in the console wars anymore, sure it's important to have the software available, but because there is a higher risk associated to making games the responsability to put out platform definining games is strongly shifting back to platform holder. As far as software support goes in Japan I would say there are only two game companies that can really influence the console wars right now(post-2005), those are SquareEnix and Nintendo. Whichever console has both will probably win.
I don't get Wii Sports being called a non-game. I put it in and compete in tennis against 3 other people. Real people that I am playing against. golf, bowling, baseball. all the same. playing against another person and trying to win. isn't that by the very definition of the word a game?
Seriously, people are just ****ing attaching the term now to any game they don't like. I'm declaring Halo 3 a non-game because I don't like the series.
And as for "gaming is dead in japan", this is retarded considering the number one selling game for the system is a MULTI-PLAYER sports game. If anything, gaming is more alive in japan than it has ever been. 350K+ systems in japan with people swinging and throwing around in front of their tv competing against each other.
if this is really what it takes to be a hardcore gamer, than count me out. when you become so jaded that games you aren't interested in all the sudden don't count as real games and are supposedly in fear of bringing down the entire industry.... screw that. and I'm not even saying that Wii Sports is great, better than Halo, etc.. I'm just not understanding how 350K+ viodeo game systems in japan and having people excited about playing video games is a bad thing.
Seriously, people are just ****ing attaching the term now to any game they don't like. I'm declaring Halo 3 a non-game because I don't like the series.
And as for "gaming is dead in japan", this is retarded considering the number one selling game for the system is a MULTI-PLAYER sports game. If anything, gaming is more alive in japan than it has ever been. 350K+ systems in japan with people swinging and throwing around in front of their tv competing against each other.
if this is really what it takes to be a hardcore gamer, than count me out. when you become so jaded that games you aren't interested in all the sudden don't count as real games and are supposedly in fear of bringing down the entire industry.... screw that. and I'm not even saying that Wii Sports is great, better than Halo, etc.. I'm just not understanding how 350K+ viodeo game systems in japan and having people excited about playing video games is a bad thing.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
If pacman, space invaders and pong came out today they would be considered Non-games.
You need guns, story, cinematics, orchestrated music and a minimim 15 mil budget to be considered a game.
You need guns, story, cinematics, orchestrated music and a minimim 15 mil budget to be considered a game.
Rancid Mildew
Banned
John Harker said:
Just so you know, that doesn't address his statement at all. He's right; it's too early to declare anything based on two day sales. Further, you have no proof for your new, inapplicable statement.
To be absolutely fair, 3rd party sales for Nintendo launches have never been that strong. PS3 third party sales are only marginally better because Sony had absolutely nothing ready to launch with, except for Resistance , which won't sell in Japn and Genji which is POS installment to a lucklustre franchise that didn't capture people's imaginations to begin with.
The 3rd party games available are also largely filler 'political' titles, where the publishers basically throw in a random game as a show of support to Nintendo.
Had a major title from S-E launched with the Wii, it would have sold very well, but it would be crowding with other strong launch titles from Nintendo on a userbase of 400k units. The 3rd parties know this and are waiting for 2007 to sell their big titles.
But, I guess some people need to harp on something bad and that is understandable I suppose. And I'm certainly not disputing any of the 3rd party doomsaying on their logical merits, but let's be realistic about the quality and APPEAL of the titles released from the 3rd parties.
The 3rd party games available are also largely filler 'political' titles, where the publishers basically throw in a random game as a show of support to Nintendo.
Had a major title from S-E launched with the Wii, it would have sold very well, but it would be crowding with other strong launch titles from Nintendo on a userbase of 400k units. The 3rd parties know this and are waiting for 2007 to sell their big titles.
But, I guess some people need to harp on something bad and that is understandable I suppose. And I'm certainly not disputing any of the 3rd party doomsaying on their logical merits, but let's be realistic about the quality and APPEAL of the titles released from the 3rd parties.
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
Deku said:
Yeah. Good point. I think that we'll see more annoncement at GDC 2007. Nintendo will probably deliver a Keanote to show the results of Wii and DS sales. They will announce some OnLine's plans and they'll show some new trailer.
Oh I am not writing off the poor showing might turn some 3rd parties off. I'm not privy to Namco-Bandai's internal projections for how many units of their launch software they expect to sell for example.
But more generally, I think based on the type of launch software from the 3rd parties, I wanted to point out that they didn't really expect great things from the software they put out because the lineup is pretty generic launch fare.
We'll have to see.
But more generally, I think based on the type of launch software from the 3rd parties, I wanted to point out that they didn't really expect great things from the software they put out because the lineup is pretty generic launch fare.
We'll have to see.
nintendorly
Banned
tanasten said:Wii = DS confirmed
WOW. Really, do you remember when games were something for people who played at home alone?
Top ten for the week.
1 PS2 Tales of Destiny (Namco)
2 Wii Wii Sports (Nintendo) - 176,880
3 Wii Wii Play (Nintendo) - 171,888
4 Wii The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (Nintendo) - 145,068
5 GBA Final Fantasy VI Advance (Square Enix)
6 PS2 Summon Night 4 (Banpresto)
7 NDS Pokemon Diamond & Pearl (Pokemon)
8 NDS Jump Ulitmate Stars (Nintendo)
9 NDS Love & Berry (Sega)
10 Wii Odoru Made in Wario (Nintendo) - 63,086
bold = new
1 PS2 Tales of Destiny (Namco)
2 Wii Wii Sports (Nintendo) - 176,880
3 Wii Wii Play (Nintendo) - 171,888
4 Wii The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (Nintendo) - 145,068
5 GBA Final Fantasy VI Advance (Square Enix)
6 PS2 Summon Night 4 (Banpresto)
7 NDS Pokemon Diamond & Pearl (Pokemon)
8 NDS Jump Ulitmate Stars (Nintendo)
9 NDS Love & Berry (Sega)
10 Wii Odoru Made in Wario (Nintendo) - 63,086
bold = new
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
medrew said:
OT I know but who is that woman in your avatar?
I don't watch TV.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Rancid Mildew said:
There were many developers who were enthusiasitc about the GC prelaunch. There were also several developers who had launch titles a-ready with high anticipation, and shortly there after pulled support based on poorly performing sales. I wasn't being that serious though. Its not like I WANT that to happen.
Magicpaint
Member
borghe said:
This is Famitsu's
Segata Sanshiro
Member
Finally another system causes the DS majority to crumble!
Ehn, I can't wait til the "launch buzz" on both of these systems settles down so we can actually make some half-assed predictions instead of running around willy-nilly declaring victory and doom in rapid alternating succession.
Ehn, I can't wait til the "launch buzz" on both of these systems settles down so we can actually make some half-assed predictions instead of running around willy-nilly declaring victory and doom in rapid alternating succession.
Kurosaki Ichigo
Member
I forgot this is probably going to be one week without Training software in top10...impressive lol.
6 100k, that has a to be a record for not-a-holiday week. I just remember last year between 19-25 Dec (iirc) with 9 100k sellers. Maybe this year we get full top10 of 100k...
Tales
6 100k, that has a to be a record for not-a-holiday week. I just remember last year between 19-25 Dec (iirc) with 9 100k sellers. Maybe this year we get full top10 of 100k...
Tales
Kurosaki Ichigo said:I forgot this is probably going to be one week without Training software in top10...impressive lol.
6 100k, that has a to be a record for not-a-holiday week. I just remember last year between 19-25 Dec (iirc) with 9 100k sellers. Maybe this year we get full top10 of 100k...
Tales
Look at the chart again. There is a possibility that we have nine 100k sellers, although my guess is seven.
Kurosaki Ichigo
Member
MC will ruin that splitting pokemon...but yes, 7 in famitsu seems locked.Rock_Man said:Look at the chart again. There is a possibility that we have nine 100k sellers, although my guess is seven.
Quite surprising to see Jump above L&B...we'll see what MC says tomorrow though.