Souldriver
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What? Because of the Wii sales numbers you can't enjoy your Gears of War or Oblivion anymore?ZombieSupaStar said:
If so, you shouldn't have fixed anything, since yoopoo's post was right after all.
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If so, you shouldn't have fixed anything, since yoopoo's post was right after all.
Pureauthor
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I guess that's a difference between you and me. I don't factor in the console at all when it comes to price - only the games.
For example, if I were to buy a 60GB PS3 tomorrow with Resistance, I don't see myself as having bought a USD 600 console with a USD 50 game, I see myself as having bought a USD 650 game. If I bought two games, I bought two USD 350 games, not a USD 600 console and two USD 50 games.
That's why I usually wait several years into the console generation before buying new machines - that's when there are enough games to start justifying the prices.
ZombieSupaStar
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Souldriver said:
more of where the industy is going to be headed kinda thing, but yeah Ill try to enjoy my last generation of console gaming.
Obviously, not even nintendo had any dream of being this successful right out of the gate.
If they had expected the wii to sell like this, they could have been better prepared to meet demand. It's not as expensive to produce as the other consoles and nintendo could theoreticly have made a crapload.
In a recent interview, Miyamoto said that he was very surprised that the wii was doing so well in america.. He expected it to do great in japan, but he thought the american market was a little bit more iffy (Oddly enough that's pretty much what GAF was predicting too) I think the big response outside of japan is what's got them scrambling on the production side.
Another interesting thing to note... Matt C. from IGN said in a recent podcast that online had become a much bigger priority at nintendo since the first of the year and that there were lot's of first party games that were having online added in (or something to that effect)... This is probably due to the higher than expected NA/EU sales and the more hardcore nature of the wii demographic in those territory's.. Games like red steel and zelda are selling much better over here than they are in japan which suggests that there are more conventional gamers buying the system in this market. Online would be a bigger selling point with conventional gamers than it would with non-gamers and DS "touch generation" gamers.
If nintendo expected most of their early wii buisness to come from DS gamers, you can figure that they considered online to be a pretty low priority.
Sales on the VC and higher than expected internet usage might also be important contributing factors.
If they had expected the wii to sell like this, they could have been better prepared to meet demand. It's not as expensive to produce as the other consoles and nintendo could theoreticly have made a crapload.
In a recent interview, Miyamoto said that he was very surprised that the wii was doing so well in america.. He expected it to do great in japan, but he thought the american market was a little bit more iffy (Oddly enough that's pretty much what GAF was predicting too) I think the big response outside of japan is what's got them scrambling on the production side.
Another interesting thing to note... Matt C. from IGN said in a recent podcast that online had become a much bigger priority at nintendo since the first of the year and that there were lot's of first party games that were having online added in (or something to that effect)... This is probably due to the higher than expected NA/EU sales and the more hardcore nature of the wii demographic in those territory's.. Games like red steel and zelda are selling much better over here than they are in japan which suggests that there are more conventional gamers buying the system in this market. Online would be a bigger selling point with conventional gamers than it would with non-gamers and DS "touch generation" gamers.
If nintendo expected most of their early wii buisness to come from DS gamers, you can figure that they considered online to be a pretty low priority.
Sales on the VC and higher than expected internet usage might also be important contributing factors.
Last week UK sales:Fight for Freeform said:
Wii: 25,000
PS3: 17,000
360: 11,000
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=24120
Nintendo singlehandidly changed everything.. again. Amazing considering the general perception of Nintendo coming into next-gen.
US Wii numbers is catching up rapidly to x360 as it is almost at half it's ltd right? And they are very close in leading the market in Europe, and they've already have Japan by the balls.. by a bigass marign. Holy shit, and all this after just 4.5 months (4 outside of US). And I think it's just the beginning considering what's in store for 2007 alone. :lol
US Wii numbers is catching up rapidly to x360 as it is almost at half it's ltd right? And they are very close in leading the market in Europe, and they've already have Japan by the balls.. by a bigass marign. Holy shit, and all this after just 4.5 months (4 outside of US). And I think it's just the beginning considering what's in store for 2007 alone. :lol
ZombieSupaStar said:
Boo freakin' hoo.
If you don't like the fact that somebody is trying to keep gaming affordable, inventive and appealing to the masses your ilk should rightly not be the driving force behind it. Or do you not like seeing game companies making money and keeping afloat and not merging/going under, thereby making annual sequels of incremental upgrade a staple of the gaming calendar?
*Sheds a tear for Clover Studios*
Neomoto said:
If wii passes the 360 worldwide before the end of the year... Even with halo and all the other 360 games that are releasing this year... I think it's probably over. PS3 is not even really competing right now, so it's basicly MS vs Nintendo. If nintendo manages to pass 360 within 1 years time, that's some serious momentum and i don't see how it can be stopped.
At that point, we can probably assume that wii has won by KO and crown nintendo as the new market leader. It also means that we would be witnessing a complete industry change in an entirley different direction.
I own a wii and i'm giddy about this possibility, but it has nothing to do with my nintendo bias.. I just love to see things shaken up... I enjoy chaos and unexpected developments. If ps3 had been as successful as ps2, this generation would have been pretty boring.
Change is usually a good thing even if it may be painful at first.
Xisiqomelir
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Oblivion said:
Time to start stockpiling popcorn. :lol
Krowley said:
If MS does not drop the price by this fall you can bet the Wii will pass the 360 by end of the year.
If the PS3 was as successfull as the PS2 that would of been the worst case senario. If sony could of gotten away with 599 they would of even tried to charge even more for the PS4. Sony tried to double the price of gaming in 1 generation I am glad it backfired.
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Oblivion said:
Bingo :lol
I'm on the fence about getting a Wii, I think it'll take some killer ap to reel me in.
The thing is, the motion sensing scheme is very clumsy. Playing Tiger Woods, Call of Duty, Red Steel, and a whole bunch of other games, there are times when the controller hiccups. It just doesn't feel refined. Not sure if that's fixable or if it's just an inherent hardware limitation. But from my experience so far, there aren't a lot of great applications.
The thing is, the motion sensing scheme is very clumsy. Playing Tiger Woods, Call of Duty, Red Steel, and a whole bunch of other games, there are times when the controller hiccups. It just doesn't feel refined. Not sure if that's fixable or if it's just an inherent hardware limitation. But from my experience so far, there aren't a lot of great applications.
ZombieSupaStar
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sugaki said:
OMG HERESY WE DONT WANT "YOUR KIND HERE" /hivethink
yeah Ill eventually get a wii, currently its manhunt 2, and Mysiims. Im looking at I need mebbe 2 more before I commit though.
1) The "challenged on all fronts" comment was applied to the sales of both X360 and Vista. I'm not sure that it's fair to say that their sales are both disappointing. It's certainly true that there are entirely different factors affecting their success (or lack thereof) in the marketplace. As you point out, defending their core business is a far different challenge than expanding into new markets.Xisiqomelir said:
2) What did his comment have to do with Nintendo, anyway?
quest said:
yeah that's the other side of it. I totally agree. If ps3 had been dominant, it would mean that video games were about to get too expensive for me. Having an entry fee that's in the same neighborhood as a high powered PC is way worse than anything nintendo has done with the wii.
I wish nintendo had packed a bit more muscle into the wii, but not if it would have driven the price over 300 bucks.
schuelma said:
I agree those games were rushed out, and game devs are venturing into a whole different territory. I think it'll still take time to see whether the wiimote concept is truly revolutionary... or at best cool. The only game where I thought the wiimote really worked was Mario Galaxy--well at least the demo (I have a feeling it'd esp. hard to get the Wii when that game gets released
).Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
Krowley said:
I would have gladly paid for a $300 wii if it meant HD resolution graphics.
Hcoregamer00
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mabuza said:
Apparently you haven't been following the sales trends for the rest of the world.
(except New Zealand)
Buffy4ever
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quest said:
I agree with this person.
mabuza said:
Depends on what your definition of "competing" is.
Ps3 is doing so badly right now that i can't see it as a threat to wii or 360 as far as market share. People just aren't responding to the system.
If your talking about the european launch... Here is a post with some news on that.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6057658&postcount=9
It looks like the intial response will trend the same way in europe as it has in the rest of the world. If ps3 starts having months were it doesn't get massivley outsold by the supply constrained wii, then i will revise my opinion. As far as the 360, it has a big head start and sony has a lot of ground to make up. Right now they aren't making a very big dent.
edit// i hate to beat up on the ps3 because i'm sure it's a sore spot for some people, and i don't come to GAF to make people angry. I'm not interested in stirring up hostility or anything like that. I actually plan to buy one someday when the price goes down. Some of the upcoming games are very impressive looking, particularly little big planet, Ratchet and clank, FF13 and MGS4.
schuelma said:
sure... *unless* there's an underlying problem with the hardware. surely there are limitations to what it's capable of, and only a couple of games have really nailed thier controls so far.
is it going to be possible for good action games to exist using motion controls? how accurate are the readings being sent to the console?
games will get better, but this system is still desperately searching for a killer app that both justifies the controller, and has a breadth of play considerably more expansive than wii sports. this is a system that's tricky to develop for based on what we've seen so far.
In Berne (Switzerland), Wiis are available too (since march). I think it depends where you are, in a few places Nintendo can meet the demand, but there are a lot more stores lacking on Wiis.sphinx said:
I just hope Nintendo keeps shipping to Berne, the small number of available Wiis can meet the demand for a week or two, but not a month.
birdchili said:
No really though, all those games were rushed out. If I can play Excite Truck and navigate through all those trees with the controller's tilt functions, I think that is indicative of how accurate it is.
Also, if you download WiiSaber (The Lightsaber app) and connect your Wiimote to your computer (mac only?) you can see all the read outs and see exactly how accurately the Wiimots motions can be read.
Joe211 said:yeah the PS3 is doing well for a 599 euros/dollars system I know a lot of people who are waiting for a price cut. I don't know how some people can make conclusions 5 months after launch
Doing well for a 600 dollar system = bad by any other standard.
That's like saying gamecube sold great for a system that looked like a purple lunchbox.
There is no need to spin for the ps3. If it starts selling better, people will change their attitudes.
I'm sure there will be plenty of great games on it regardless, just like there were on GC. Heck, the best game last gen was a GC game (metroid prime) and so was the 4th best (RE4)...
Sony is investing a lot in first party development and they're sure to deliver some awesome games, regardless of where the ps3 ends up.
DeaconKnowledge said:
He has a valid point. Alot of fans, maybe by Nintendo's own doing (world such as "gamers don't want good graphics"), have made it into a situation where waggle is considered revolutionary (irregardless of the fact that waggle might suck for that game, or is poorly implemented for it) and high end graphics are just about looking good (ignoring the gameplay that makes games like GRAW and Oblivion and Gears so awesome). It's an either/or mentality that totally sucks. Why can't you have waggle AND top tier graphics? Why the hell does gaming graphics have to stagnate to 2001 levels to implement motion controls? I didn't buy the 360 for it's graphics, I bought it for games like Halo 3 and Oblivions and the addictive gameplay, but the fact that they do/will look great doesn't hurt. I'm gonna be pissed if Nintendo does win this round, and doesn't bring graphics up to date with its next system, a decision I would attribute to their desire to primarily cater to the Japanese market, ignoring the western markets that seem to have a greater appetite for high end graphics in games.
I'm not bagging on Wii, but the either/or mentality that some fans have now. And on a side note, I agree that GC was underutilized graphically, but it's still hardware that at best was about as good as the original Xbox. Just because it was underutilized and had more potential doesn't mean it's going to compare favorably in terms of graphics (Zelda: TP for example. Played it on Wii. Satisfied my inner Zelda fanboy but I did notice that the graphics were just so...meh).
Edit: I am bagging on Wii's graphics. Heavily bagging on it. Doesn't mean I dismiss the ability for the system to pump out good games.
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ZombieSupaStar said:
I'm sure you're joking, but I really have to laugh at the idea of a traditional gaming fan having a persecution complex on NeoGAF of all places.
ZombieSupaStar
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Mariah Carey said:
just mocking
909er said:
I sort of agree with this although i've been playing VC games on my wii for the last several weeks... I got so used to old graphics that tonight i popped in metroid prime 1 and i was like "OMG next gen am here"
edit// maybe that's part of nintendo's secret plan with the virtual console... Delude us with awesome old games and make us forget what modern graphics look like so that we can easily be impressed.
Iwata is like the DR. Evil of the video game world..
PepsimanVsJoe
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Damn I'm not liking this.
I'd like to buy a Wii this year at least.
I'd like to buy a Wii this year at least.
DefectiveReject said:
Look we're going around in circles...I said the RRP MS want retailers to use is £209...:lol The actual price of the Core is £199 as set by retailers. Here is my previous post.
F#A#Oo said:
Secondly like I've mentioned atm retailers are looking to shift excess stock thus these deals...they are limited/temporary till a certain date/stock runs out...nothing more, nothing less. It's not a sign of a price drop or that the Core is now cheaper then a Wii.
gabe90 said:
the fact that some games are getting it right does bode well for the hardware, but excite truck is staggeringly simple in what it's actually reading. i'm anticipating (hoping for) quite a few games that attempt substantively more elaborate controls.
gabe90 said:
i recall one interview with iwata indicating that you get 2-3 hundred readings a second? has anyone actually checked this? curious.
on-topic anecdote: the last person that i know that's been (pretty hardcore) wii hunting since launch managed to get one this week.
When waggle is overall accepted, we can have both. I think this will be the case in the PS4/Xbox720/Wii2-era.909er said:
In the meantime, it's just to risky having both, because top tier graphics is expensive (so it's a risk), and waggle in console gaming is an innovation (so a risk too). IMO this is one of the reason why Nintendo try to keep the production costs as low as possible.
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