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[Nekofrog]

Geez is this why we got more BAW BAW instead of a real Mario?

Seeing Wii Sports up there makes me sad. I'm going to post essentially the same message again because I WANT IT SO BAD:

Wii Sports Port/Remake/Whatever WITH ONLINE PLAY on Wii U. That will make me not regret my Wii U purchase. I could play Bowling/Golf all day online and NEVER get tired of it.

 

[qq more]

I played 50% of this game Off TV. I need to complete the other half, but Batman is my main game at the moment.

Huh, so the entire game doesn't have Off-TV play?

Seeing Wii Sports up there makes me sad. I'm going to post essentially the same message again because I WANT IT SO BAD:

Wii Sports Port/Remake/Whatever WITH ONLINE PLAY on Wii U. That will make me not regret my Wii U purchase. I could play Bowling/Golf all day online and NEVER get tired of it.

Man, I wish Nintendo added online play to their games more often. NSMB and Pikmin with online would of have been amazing.

 

[Baconsammy]

After playing WiiU it is real annoying when you have to take your eyes off TV and look at game pad. On paper things sounds great. But, trying to go up and down and up and down in annoying as hell.

Dont get me wrong. I like my wiiU as a hardware. Game-pad is better than I thought and comfortable. But, using in games so far is simply annoying. Hopefully we can get a better use of it.

It's a gimmick I don't find enjoyable anymore, but it's worse for my wife who needs glasses to see the TV. Being forced to look down at the gamepad during gameplay forces her to remove her glasses. Perhaps when devs stop forcing the gimmick when it's not necessary this will be less of a problem. Vita suffered that too with all the lame back-touch implementations. As did waggle before it.

 

[marc^o^]

Huh, so the entire game doesn't have Off-TV play?

It does, I'm just halfway into the game.

 

[qq more]

It does, I'm just halfway into the game.

Oh okay, read you wrong then.

 

[farnham]

Seeing Wii Sports up there makes me sad. I'm going to post essentially the same message again because I WANT IT SO BAD:

Wii Sports Port/Remake/Whatever WITH ONLINE PLAY on Wii U. That will make me not regret my Wii U purchase. I could play Bowling/Golf all day online and NEVER get tired of it.

It will happen. Wii sports is too big to ignore.

 

[marc^o^]

It's a gimmick I don't find enjoyable anymore, but it's worse for my wife who needs glasses to see the TV. Being forced to look down at the gamepad during gameplay forces her to remove her glasses.

Tell your wife she can use normal controls then. The power of choice.

 

[gamethriller]

It's a gimmick I don't find enjoyable anymore, but it's worse for my wife who needs glasses to see the TV. Being forced to look down at the gamepad during gameplay forces her to remove her glasses. Perhaps when devs stop forcing the gimmick when it's not necessary this will be less of a problem. Vita suffered that too with all the lame back-touch implementations. As did waggle before it.

I wear glasses to see the TV.....I do not have to. Take mine off to see the gamepad also....maybe its time for another eye exam?

 

[majik13]

After playing WiiU it is real annoying when you have to take your eyes off TV and look at game pad. On paper things sounds great. But, trying to go up and down and up and down in annoying as hell.

Dont get me wrong. I like my wiiU as a hardware. Game-pad is better than I thought and comfortable. But, using in games so far is simply annoying. Hopefully we can get a better use of it.

I didnt find it an issue at all with Zombiu, and cant you just play the whole game on the gamepad anyways?
I havent played trine 2, so maybe it is different

 

[Baconsammy]

I wear glasses to see the TV.....I do not have to. Take mine off to see the gamepad also....maybe its time for another eye exam?

Your eyes are not her eyes.

Tell your wife she can use normal controls then. The power of choice.

There's no "power of choice" when the TV says "Look at the gamepad".

 

[sniperpon]

It's a gimmick I don't find enjoyable anymore

It's interesting you say that, I had the exact opposite experience; I went into the concept extremely skeptical, but after playing 100% of Arkham City and 50% of Mass Effect 3, now I couldn't imagine playing those games without the gamepad display. The whole idea won me over.

 

[AOC83]

This is pretty much false, as other people have pointed out to you.

The DS was by far the biggest competition the 3DS has had since launching. It's significantly cheaper, the games are as well, has an incredibly deep library, etc. This entire year in NPD threads we have seen that the DS is crippling the 3DS. It's why you saw retailers like Wal-mart advertising a DSi XL for 99 dollars instead of having an actual discount or bundle for 3DS hardware.

Nintendo needs to execute an order and kill the DS like it killed the GBA before it.

The difference between the DS and the 360/PS3 is that the DS software support was almost dead at the moment the 3DS arrived. A few smaller games and a new Pokemon, that´s it.
All the new shiny Nintendo games were 3DS only. So the DS may have eaten a relatively large chunk of the 3DS sales at the beginning, but he isn´t a long term contender.

The 360/PS3 will be supported for years to come and offer not only a huge library but also a huge announcment list that dwarfs the WiiUs in quantity and quality.

 

[gamethriller]

It's interesting you say that, I had the exact opposite experience; I went into the concept extremely skeptical, but after playing 100% of Arkham City and 50% of Mass Effect 3, now I couldn't imagine playing those games without the gamepad display. The whole idea won me over.

Agreed gamepad for me is awesome....

 

[marc^o^]

There's no "power of choice" when the TV says "Look at the gamepad".

As I said, I mostly played on the GamePad, but I swear I could play the magician without using the touchscreen. What segment of the game requires to look at the GamePad?

 

[netBuff]

"There's no place for the Wii U"

I don't get this. Some people on this board act as though THE NEXT GENERATION is some elite, exclusive club that they try their darnedest to not have the Wii U grouped in with.

The system is competition for the both of them. There is a market for it, just as there will be a market for the other consoles. Fucking deal with it.

It's not some exclusive club, but so far it doesn't seem like there's a big market for the Wii U. Regarding next generation consoles: We don't know yet how they will fare, but there seems much more excitement for them than there ever was for the Wii U. Whether the Wii U will pose serious competition to Microsoft and Sony remains to be seen, signs point to Nintendo's insignificance in this battle.

 

[Eideka]

I would actually argue the opposite. The console's overall power isn't holding it back at the moment, it's the software. Which actually makes perfect sense when looking at the topic of this thread.

I take no joy in saying this but I think it clearly does, if Nintendo came up with a respectable next-gen offering 3rd parties games would run better.
I don't doubt Nintendo's first party output will appeal to casuals but will it be enough ?

 

[beast786]

It's a gimmick I don't find enjoyable anymore, but it's worse for my wife who needs glasses to see the TV. Being forced to look down at the gamepad during gameplay forces her to remove her glasses. Perhaps when devs stop forcing the gimmick when it's not necessary this will be less of a problem. Vita suffered that too with all the lame back-touch implementations. As did waggle before it.

God I hated that part in Golden Abyss.

I actually am ok with my wiiU. It was honestly a pleasant surprise hardware wise. I am hoping we can find developers to somehow take advantage of the gamepad in way we havent thought about it yet. And the only Dev I expect are nintendo 1st party. They are the one whom opinion let to this gamepad, so obviously you think they have some great ideas in mind.

Personally, even the off-Tv option as wore off. If I want to play the game why am i compromising by playing on a tiny screen. The only time to me its meaningful if the game is a simple touch screen game where bigger TV doesn't provide any visceral advantage

 

[Turrican3]

Well i´m only talking about the current situation.

So what's the point of the comparison when we basically know nothing about the actual scenario where all three competitors are going to fight?

I'd argue it would be extremely difficult to predict now what's going to happen even if we already knew each console price and lineup for an (hypotetical) holiday 2013 simultaneous availability. Too many uncertainties.

 

[Refreshment.01]

Who has been predicting Nintendo's extinction?

It depends on who he chose to listen to. Answering to insane claims like that makes it more easy to counter argument, when in the first place you shouldnt be wasting time with someone who goes to those lenghts.

Nintendo's risks lays in them becoming more irrelevant as time goes by, not in some near future extinction.

 

[DjangoReinhardt]

To me it adds one thing that my PS4 will likely never provide: the ability to play in situations I could not otherwise (with off TV), or with people with whom I can share my passion like never before (asymmetric gameplay).

Also, unique gameplay ideas will likely come out of the GamePad.

We've had dual-screen Nintendo platforms for more than eight years at this point. I don't see much reason to expect that there's a wave of design ideas that will only now be unleashed by the GamePad. The WiiMote is proof that Nintendo will launch a control gimmick without having many interesting gameplay or design ideas to support it. Given the third-party situation on Nintendo consoles since the N64, I'm not going to assume that they are likely to do much with it, either.

 

[qq more]

Personally, even the off-Tv option as wore off. If I want to play the game why am i compromising by playing on a tiny screen. The only time to me its meaningful if the game is a simple touch screen game where bigger TV doesn't provide any visceral advantage

It depends on how you prefer to enjoy your games.

Personally I like laying down playing the GamePad like its just a handheld. Sooo comfy and relaxing to me. Of course if you don't like playing games that way then that's just fine. I found it a neat little option.

 

[DrWong]

Yeah, I guess I can see that. Personally it doesn't bug me much.

I haven't tried out Trine 2 on the Wii U but I assume that the gameplay can be also seen on the GamePad. Has anyone tried it out? Want to know if I'm assuming it right.

Agreed gamepad for me is awesome....

Yesterday I had to let the TV to my children, switched my Trine 2 session in off-TV mode, went to the kitchen to prepare a coffee, sat down in the kitchen, played while waiting for the coffee to be ready... "Great".

 

[AOC83]

So what's the point of the comparison when we basically know nothing about the actual scenario where all three competitors are going to fight?

I'd argue it would be extremely difficult to predict now what's going to happen even if we already knew each console price and lineup for an (hypotetical) holiday 2013 simultaneous availability. Too many uncertainties.

I was comparing the WiiU to 360/PS3 mostly, but i think it´s pretty realistic to expect the new consoles to be a rather large improvement.

 

[Fox Mulder]

Your eyes are not her eyes.

There's no "power of choice" when the TV says "Look at the gamepad".

Then she's unfortunately going to just be left out of some games. There's people that can't play some games due to color blindness, epilepsy, or the inability to see 3d effects. More options for people like your wife should absolutely be available somewhere in the settings.

The gamepad already has some great potential as a second screen, the Ghost Mansion/Pac Man Vs style play is truly fun. I want to see what is done with it beyond dumping maps or menu elements on it.

 

[Pharros]

I take no joy in saying this but I think it clearly does, if Nintendo came up with a respectable next-gen offering 3rd parties games would run better.
I don't doubt Nintendo's first party output will appeal to casuals but will it be enough ?

Well, this all depends on perspective. I think a vast majority of the problems with third party offerings are likely from the rushed speed of the ports. However, when the PS4 and 720 are released, hardware power will be the true problem for porting anything. This is why I think the BIG problem at the moment is software, while it will likely be the hardware being the bigger culprit later in the Wii U's life.

 

[marc^o^]

now I couldn't imagine playing those games without the gamepad display. The whole idea won me over.

In FIFA I'd like devs to go further with the touchscreen. For instance, as it is we can only draw straight lines to make AI runs. We should be able to draw curve runs as well.

 

[Eideka]

I was comparing the WiiU to 360/PS3 mostly, but i think it´s pretty realistic to expect the new consoles to be a rather large improvement.

Compared to the Wii U ? That's an absolute certainty.

Well, this all depends on perspective. I think a vast majority of the problems with third party offerings are likely from the rushed speed of the ports. However, when the PS4 and 720 are released, hardware power will be the true problem for porting anything. This is why I think the BIG problem at the moment is software, while it will likely be the hardware being the bigger culprit later in the Wii U's life.

At least we can agree that the hardware side will be a difficult issue to overcome.

 

[BlackJace]

It's not some exclusive club, but so far it doesn't seem like there's a big market for the Wii U. Regarding next generation consoles: We don't know yet how they will fare, but there seems much more excitement for them than there ever was for the Wii U. Whether the Wii U will pose serious competition to Microsoft and Sony remains to be seen, signs point to Nintendo's insignificance in this battle.

And yet, people are all assuming that Durango and orbis will be a gamers haven. The market has changed since 06 if you haven't noticed.

There are serious issues with the Wii U, but it doesn't have to worry about being curbstomped by the Durango and orbis simply because they have better hardware. Will the market CARE that they offer better hardware is the question.

 

[beast786]

It depends on how you prefer to enjoy your games.

Personally I like laying down playing the GamePad like its just a handheld. Sooo comfy and relaxing to me. Of course if you don't like playing games that way then that's just fine. I found it a neat little option.

I agree with that.

Part of the problem is I cant take the gamepad to my bedroom. The distance from my entertainment room to bedroom is too far for gamepad to work. Hence, i have my ipad,vita and 3DS usually in bedroom or when I leave the house.

It is an option where I can see people taking some advantage, but not much for me.

 

[AzaK]

A balanced Nintendo, because the Wii is my least played console this gen but make my heart pump in several occasions. The Wii was cool, and the DS is one of the best handhelds of forever, so the Wii Nintendo is not so bad.

This. They have lost balance. They basically abandoned the enthusiast gamer audience be it by accident or not. The audience that was their foundation. Wii U is an attemp to rebalance with HD and a controller suited to cross platform games. However their relationships with western third parties does not seem rebalanced and their hardware power choices might also tip the scales unfavourably.

The barrier they face is their insistence on a different controller and their typically lower price to hit the mainstream. Unfortunately it seems their desire for the former has killed the latter which is not a good space to be in.

Given cost and price has gone so high they should have added another US$50 worth of core tech and that might have given something they can market and make the machine a noticeable step up in the eyes of enthusiasts.

This device is currently a bunch of small missteps in a dance competition. Each might be small and of no real consequence when taken alone but together in the context of today's market and upcoming consoles adds up to an amateurish display.

 

[Wickerbasket]

So what's the point of the comparison when we basically know nothing about the actual scenario where all three competitors are going to fight?

I'd argue it would be extremely difficult to predict now what's going to happen even if we already knew each console price and lineup for an (hypotetical) holiday 2013 simultaneous availability. Too many uncertainties.

Well, it is hard, because all we have to go on right now is the Wii U's hardware numbers and it's games sales, for 2 months. But, if the Wii U hardware and game sales numbers continue to decline and the other two next gen consoles release to similar hardware and game sales, then the games industry is going to be in a lot of trouble.

Honestly, all we can really do is speculate since we won't really know how the market will react to the other two consoles until they release.

I think, however, that people will be more likely to upgrade to a next gen console when they see awe inspiring games that they don't think are technically possible on PS3/360 and I'm not sure yet that the Wii U will be able to provide that.

 

[The Horror the horror]

The difference between the DS and the 360/PS3 is that the DS software support was almost dead at the moment the 3DS arrived. A few smaller games and a new Pokemon, that´s it.
All the new shiny Nintendo games were 3DS only. So the DS may have eaten a relatively large chunk of the 3DS sales at the beginning, but he isn´t a long term contender.

The 360/PS3 will be supported for years to come and offer not only a huge library but also a huge announcment list that dwarfs the WiiUs in quantity and quality.

You're ignoring the fact that the DS has an enormous library of games, which puts the 3DS at a disadvantage even to this day. Simply because DS support gradually shifted over toward its successor doesn't mean late adopters necessarily favored new 3DS games in relation to the comphrensive DS library they've yet to explore, especially at the attractive price point of the DS. Look how long it took before the PS3 consistently beat the PS2 in monthly sales -- years.

 

[Baconsammy]

As I said, I mostly played on the GamePad, but I swear I could play the magician without using the touchscreen. What segment of the game requires to look at the GamePad?

I think we're having a discussion about different things. I'm referring to the gameapad overall, and I believe you're talking about a specific game. I apologize if I wasn't clear.

 

[Pharros]

At least we can agree that the hardware side will be a difficult issue to overcome.

Most definitely. Either they need some big sellers to reach the market before the next consoles hit or they could be in some trouble. I like to assume they've been quiet on the software front so they can save their announcements to match those of Sony and MS, but at the same time they're not making me feel too great about the future with such secrecy.

 

[DrWong]

In FIFA I'd like devs to go further with the touchscreen. For instance, as it is we can only draw straight lines to make AI runs. We should be able to draw curve runs as well.

Same thing I was thinking but even as it is now in this FIFA 12.5 (and I'm enjoying it despite also playing FIFA 13 on my PC at my office) I'm always glad to be able to choose a player on the go and make him move. So many goals in corner phases with a player coming from the other side of the action...

 

[Eideka]

Most definitely. Either they need some big sellers to reach the market before the next consoles hit or they could be in some trouble. I like to assume they've been quiet on the software front so they can save their announcements to match those of Sony and MS, but at the same time they're not making me feel too great about the future with such secrecy.

They have something up their sleeves that's a given, if you appear to like Nintendo games you have made the right choice in picking up the console, however the casual market they are mainly after does not seem to care very much.

Therein lies the problem with big N : they think their IPs will make up for the lack of significant 3rd party support and it does not take an astute market analyst to figure out that strategy won't get them very far especially when MS and Sony are about to make us enter the next-generation.
Nintendo chose to remain in the past, serve them well !

 

[marc^o^]

Same thing I was thinking but even as it is now in this FIFA 12.5 (and I'm enjoying it despite also playing FIFA 13 on my PC at my office) I'm always glad to be able to choose a player on the go and make him move. So many goals in corner phases with a player coming from the other side of the action...

My tactic as well on corners Attacking on the right side is far easier for me to pull runs in game. It's less natural on the other side. Just checked my FIFA stats: 66 hours so far in January!

 

[lwilliams3]

Well, it is hard, because all we have to go on right now is the Wii U's hardware numbers and it's games sales, for 2 months. But, if the Wii U hardware and game sales numbers continue to decline and the other two next gen consoles release to similar hardware and game sales, then the games industry is going to be in a lot of trouble.

Honestly, all we can really do is speculate since we won't really know how the market will react to the other two consoles until they release.

I think, however, that people will be more likely to upgrade to a next gen console when they see awe inspiring games that they don't think are technically possible on PS3/360 and I'm not sure yet that the Wii U will be able to provide that.

Technical power alone has not been the best way to attract new customers, and it will become even less effective every generation. The next-gen xbox and playstation will come out after games like Halo 4, Last of Us, and hopefully some impressive looking games for the Wii U are out in the public. If the consoles don't have a good distinctive hook aside from technical power, they may be a harder sale.. especially if the price is high.

 

[chertipros]

The difference between the DS and the 360/PS3 is that the DS software support was almost dead at the moment the 3DS arrived. A few smaller games and a new Pokemon, that´s it.
All the new shiny Nintendo games were 3DS only. So the DS may have eaten a relatively large chunk of the 3DS sales at the beginning, but he isn´t a long term contender.

The 360/PS3 will be supported for years to come and offer not only a huge library but also a huge announcment list that dwarfs the WiiUs in quantity and quality.

This is not true. How can you say that when Okamiden, Kirby Mass Attack, Ghost Trick, Kingdom Hearts RE:Coded, Dragon Quest 6, Monster Tale, Radiant Historia, Pokemon Black/White, Pokemon Conquest and most importantly POKEMON BLACK AND WHITE 2 came out AFTER the 3ds? Even now some 3ds games are multiplatform with the ds like Adventure Time: HIKWYSOG

 

[Bumhead]

What numbers are you talking about? Wii U passed 113K several times over in its first week in the two regions we have numbers for.

The UK.

Sorry, I thought I specified that but seems I didn't.

 

[Shin Johnpv]

Hey 3rd party developers, PUT YOUR FUCKING DLC ON THE WII U VERSIONS AS WELL!

Until you do, go choke on some dicks.

 

[RedSwirl]

But the mainstream doesn´t buy the WiiU.

The point is that Nintendo tried to get the mainstream to buy the Wii U with NSMBU.

 

[Version 3.0]

It's a gimmick I don't find enjoyable anymore, but it's worse for my wife who needs glasses to see the TV. Being forced to look down at the gamepad during gameplay forces her to remove her glasses. Perhaps when devs stop forcing the gimmick when it's not necessary this will be less of a problem. Vita suffered that too with all the lame back-touch implementations. As did waggle before it.

And the DS, not only the two screens, but also the touchscreen buttons. To me, there's nothing worse than a touchscreen, or even worse, a waggle "button" when there are unused buttons on the controller. "Forcing the gimmick" is exactly right.

It's even worse on the Wii U, because if they force the gimmick, they may have to give up off-screen play, which it looks like a lot of people like.

 

[netBuff]

Hey 3rd party developers, PUT YOUR FUCKING DLC ON THE WII U VERSIONS AS WELL!

Until you do, go choke on some dicks.

Yell at Nintendo for still not having added DLC support to the Wii U, which was promised as a December system update by them.

 

[John Harker]

Hey 3rd party developers, PUT YOUR FUCKING DLC ON THE WII U VERSIONS AS WELL!

Until you do, go choke on some dicks.

I'm going to ignore the last part which is really some juvenile insults I fail to see what value brings to anything, but a good point can be raised from it.... um, does anyone actually know HOW to download DLC from eShop? Like, for example... where do you get the JD4 DLC songs? I can't even find a way to do add-ons the way the store is designed.

 

[Baconsammy]

Hey 3rd party developers, PUT YOUR FUCKING DLC ON THE WII U VERSIONS AS WELL!

Until you do, go choke on some dicks.

It's the third parties fault now? Odd to attack the third parties for supporting the Wii U with games in such an infantile way.

 

[shinra-bansho]

People who'll get a Wii U for Mario Kart.

There's this prevailing assumption that Nintendo's traditional franchises sell systems that doesn't gel with the past precedent of 5th and 6th gen Nintendo systems that floundered despite Nintendo's stable.

While Mario Kart will move some systems just like NSMB moves some systems, Mario Kart sold as well as it did on the Wii, because the Wii sold as well as it did.

And yet, people are all assuming that Durango and orbis will be a gamers haven. The market has changed since 06 if you haven't noticed.

There are serious issues with the Wii U, but it doesn't have to worry about being curbstomped by the Durango and orbis simply because they have better hardware. Will the market CARE that they offer better hardware is the question.

It has to worry about Durango and Orbis because of third party support. Because gamers go where the games are.

Could you elaborate on how the traditional gaming market has changed and why said consumers won't care about new systems?

 

[Version 3.0]

I'm going to ignore the last part which is really some juvenile insults I fail to see what value brings to anything, but a good point can be raised from it.... um, does anyone actually know HOW to download DLC from eShop? Like, for example... where do you get the JD4 DLC songs? I can't even find a way to do add-ons the way the store is designed.

Post above yours seems to suggest that you can't yet. I don't know, but I certainly do recall that the 3DS launched without the ability to use DLC, and they patched it in with a firmware update. I guess we're still waiting for that patch on the Wii U? If so, wow.

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

There's this prevailing assumption that Nintendo's traditional franchises sell systems that doesn't gel with the past precedent of 5th and 6th gen Nintendo systems that floundered despite Nintendo's stable.

Well you say 'floundered', but the N64 outsold the Saturn and the GC outsold the Xbox.

 

[Shining Sunshine]

Hey 3rd party developers, PUT YOUR FUCKING DLC ON THE WII U VERSIONS AS WELL!

Until you do, go choke on some dicks.

Why would they? If game sales are abysmal on the Wii U, why even waste money to put DLC for 300 CoD fans to enjoy when half a million are actively playing on PS3/360?