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Does slower RAM use less electricity? Generate less heat?
It makes for more cinematic gameplay
Does slower RAM use less electricity? Generate less heat?
Uses less Pikmin.Does slower RAM use less electricity? Generate less heat?
That post doesn't contradict the other one at all though. He says lazy ports will suck, and of course they have, and he's looking forward to seeing the dedicated ground up games, from the 'little beast'. But he also said the little beast will be on par with PS360 in the other post. I take that to mean he is looking forward to seeing the Halo 4's and God of War's of the Wii U, not that he expects anything notably beyond the realm of the HD Twins.
I think everyone expects that at this point though.
Is it cheaper? (Just trying to understand the rationale for the choice).GAF probably told him he was wrong.
Not necessarily. Intel is pushing to make DDR4 (or pushed) to make it ultra power efficient.
Is it cheaper? (Just trying to understand the rationale for the choice).
Is it cheaper? (Just trying to understand the rationale for the choice).
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Call me a dead-ender, but I'm sticking with my belief that Wii U will be closer the performance of PS4 than to PS3. Its custom machine released in the year 2012, for crying out loud.
I can only imagine if AceBandage has been lurking these past couple days. I wonder if he pretends to type rebuttals. Hope news hasn't sapped his last hold on reality.
Is it cheaper? (Just trying to understand the rationale for the choice).
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Call me a dead-ender, but I'm sticking with my belief that Wii U will be closer the performance of PS4 than to PS3. Its custom machine released in the year 2012, for crying out loud.
That post doesn't contradict the other one at all though. He says lazy ports will suck, and of course they have, and he's looking forward to seeing the dedicated ground up games, from the 'little beast'. But he also said the little beast will be on par with PS360 in the other post. I take that to mean he is looking forward to seeing the Halo 4's and God of War's of the Wii U, not that he expects anything notably beyond the realm of the HD Twins.
I think everyone expects that at this point though.
Is it cheaper? (Just trying to understand the rationale for the choice).
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Call me a dead-ender, but I'm sticking with my belief that Wii U will be closer the performance of PS4 than to PS3. Its custom machine released in the year 2012, for crying out loud.
I really don't think anyone expects 720/orbis like performances
Or E. None of the above, which is what it is. Maybe the combination of the pad and the console plus the low price is why they're selling it at a loss.If Nintendo is selling at a loss:
A. They're lying.
B. They're putting a but of first time R&D/Marketing cost in the release manufacturing cost.
C. They are getting screwed by vendors.
D. They're completely incompetent.
I mean just look at that board. It's mostly silicon. It's using parts that are off the shelf dirt cheap.
Or E. None of the above, which is what it is. Maybe the combination of the pad and the console plus the low price is why they're selling it at a loss.
If Nintendo is selling at a loss:
A. They're lying.
B. They're putting a bunch of first time R&D/Marketing cost in the release manufacturing cost.
C. They are getting screwed by vendors.
D. They're completely incompetent.
I mean just look at that board. It's mostly silicon. It's using parts that are off the shelf dirt cheap.
Wii U Mario Kart for 4 players...only $650.
What? Since when has 3/4 Wiimotes cost like $300?Well if the pad is really that expensive, then their business strategy is bonkers. Wii U Mario Kart for 4 players...only $650.
Oh, well I should say, I've literally only read those two, if there were many in the interim suggesting a notable change of heart, then sure.In between the two posts, various dev kits software updates were released, increasing performance. His opinion of the console evolved along side the gradually improving development kits. Makes sense, no? Who knows what it'll be doing a few years down the road, but I wouldn't be getting any out of this world ideas and I really don't think anyone expects 720/orbis like performances
Even though everything from every developer points to the opposite? And you forget the Wii was released in 2006? Although in the end more production will probably be gotten from the Wii U and than Wii.
Look at the post I just quoted.
I refuse to give up hope until I see a big budget Nintendo first party game made from the ground up for the system. You ought to have plenty of performance from a machine that costs $300+ to manufacture.
No, they're not lying, they're not counting R&D, they're too long in the business to get screwed and they've proven time and time again that they might be kinda insane, but certainly not incompetent.If Nintendo is selling at a loss:
A. They're lying.
B. They're putting a bunch of first time R&D/Marketing cost in the release manufacturing cost.
C. They are getting screwed by vendors.
D. They're completely incompetent.
I mean just look at that board. It's mostly silicon. It's using parts that are off the shelf dirt cheap.
I actually believe they ARE using highly customized parts and are selling it at a loss. That is a part of bad decision making though. They took a pretty middle-aged GPU, and threw a bunch of parts in it to make it backwards compatible. Basically what they did was take a Wii and supercharge it. Literally. The most expensive parts are indeed custom made, but it's my belief that there were better choices they could've made and still kept it low-power.If Nintendo is selling at a loss:
A. They're lying.
B. They're putting a bunch of first time R&D/Marketing cost in the release manufacturing cost.
C. They are getting screwed by vendors.
D. They're completely incompetent.
I mean just look at that board. It's mostly silicon. It's using parts that are off the shelf dirt cheap.
It's new, so probably not. My point is that faster does not necessarily mean more power consuming.
I mean the reason why Wii U looks to use so little power compared to 360 is because it's about the same horsepower but with 4 years newer tech (die shrinks and other optimizations).
It's not some amazing achievement. I could build a PC next year that uses 1/3 the power of my current rig without bumping performance.
What developer has said on the record that Wii U will be closer to the PS3 generation than the 2013 boxes? Anyways, Iwata himself said back at E3 that Wii U's tech is beyond that of the PS3/360 generation.
Look at the post I just quoted.
I took bgassassin to task a couple times for talking about things he clearly knew nothing about and using his own posts on B3D to corroborate his Gaf posts but every time I did that people jumped all over me for being mean. (To be fair I am mean)
If devs were so quick to throw Wii U into a volcano as people on this forum, we should have gotten word of its weakness in some way. NDA or not. There's no shortness of "insider sources" at GAF
Better to wait for the full teardown, not a part or two. The full lasagna
I took bgassassin to task a couple times for talking about things he clearly knew nothing about and using his own posts on B3D to corroborate his Gaf posts but every time I did that people jumped all over me for being mean. (To be fair I am mean)
Wasn't that the dude who made this big deal out of "leaving". lol
Oh, well I should say, I've literally only read those two, if there were many in the interim suggesting a notable change of heart, then sure.
Although at this point, this board at least, seems to be under the impression it is merely on par with PS360. I'm not sure we'll ever really know though, it's seven years on, and we're still debating if the PS3 or the 360 is more powerful, I don't expect anything definitive out of the Wii U comparisons, ever.
Personally I'm not that bothered, if Zelda matches the tech demo, I'll bust a nut, regardless of any factual comparison.
This is what Arkam said. Basically specs are disappointing. The CPU is enhanced Broadway. Memory is slow. No mention of eDram.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=34909953&postcount=5407
Per nintendo's docs the GPU's API "GX2" Supports some features greater than SM 4. SM4 is just given as a point of reference. Ill post the detail later when I have the time.
and on a side note:
Wow vgleaks.com didnt even change a single word or my formatting... That part is kind of sad. I should have made something up just to make them(and who ever "shared" my discussion) look bad
Originally Posted by bgassassin: View Post
Have (some of) your impressions "lightened up" since January?
Some yes. But the same problems are still present if you are porting a game over from the Xbox360. So if companies dont want to invest retooling games, you will get crappy(downgraded) ports.
That said,I am nothing but excited for the console and cant't wait to see the first round of games made from the ground up on the WiiU. That is when we will see what this little beast can do!
Arkam was always full legit, we made sure of that. He kept posting, every now and then, in other threads, including the last spec thread that I made. Sadly his voice of reason was lost beneath the 'speculation'.
EDIT: I should note we confirmed Arkam legit around that post, and people still swept it under the rug.
Yeah, what about them? I have no idea who those "anonymous" dudes were. How much did they know? What's their job? Do we even know they're coders? We don't. That's the problem. Yes, the Shin'en guy for example only ever worked on Nintendo platforms, but at least we know he's an experienced coder and a licensed developer, not a janitor at Ubisoft Bulgaria.What about the countless "anonymous" developer quotes saying it was on par? And the only insider developer who has been certified a real developer?
Yeah, what about them? I have no idea who those "anonymous" dudes were. How much did they know? What's their job? Do we even know they're coders? We don't. That's the problem. Yes, the Shin'en guy for example only ever worked on Nintendo platforms, but at least we know he's an experienced coder and a licensed developer, not a janitor at Ubisoft Bulgaria.
.I don't so much mind the Wii U being where it is as I do the fact that there could be much more powerful consoles out at the same time. It will suck as no matter how good Wii U exclusives look, there will be games for competing consoles that look a full generation ahead, dampening the excitement
It probably won't be quite as bad as on Wii; I'm sure multiplatform support will benefit at least somewhat from having a modern GPU architecture, but I suspect the lifetime percentage of multiplats received will still end up closer to that of Wii than even GC. (Though I don't think specs are necessarily the primary reason for poor third-party support.)
Nintendo probably could have future-proofed it quite a bit more than they did at a fairly low additional cost, had they not been so set on keeping the size and power draw of the actual console as low as possible. Sigh.
God damn, I had no idea it was that much. I think I'm going to stop for a while.I don't know man, you should know how this place works by now after 50,000 posts lol. Same re Zelda though.
Are you just trying to find ways to gimp any hypothetical Sony or Microsoft consoles or something?This may sound crazy, but what if new legislation was passed mandating an upper limit to TDP for home consoles sold in the U.S.?
No doubt. Unless prices go up again on games, i dont see how any of the major publishers can forgo a PS360/U version of their major tentpoles for the next 2 years at minimum without serioulsy hurting their bottom line.
Are you just trying to find ways to gimp any hypothetical Sony or Microsoft consoles or something?
Are you just trying to find ways to gimp any hypothetical Sony or Microsoft consoles or something?
Really, do tell us how much each console cost to build including the manufacturing in China, shipping all over the world, storage, and every part of the Gamepad including the exchange rates to different countries.
Yes, I'm desperate not to experience a repeat of the Wii years. Having to sit through all those commercials for high-definition Xbox 360 games was soul-crushing.
You can build a faster pc than the wiiu for 300€. You can buy a Chinese tablet for 50€.
I refuse to give up hope until I see a big budget Nintendo first party game made from the ground up for the system. You ought to have plenty of performance from a machine that costs $300+ to manufacture.
Yes, I'm desperate not to experience a repeat of the Wii years. Having to sit through all those commercials for high-definition Xbox games was soul-crushing.
Dude you might just want to take a break from video games for a while. If it makes you feel better 2 years after the other two launch they will look outdated from a PC perspective.
Yes, I'm desperate not to experience a repeat of the Wii years. Having to sit through all those commercials for high-definition Xbox games was soul-crushing.
Yes, I'm desperate not to experience a repeat of the Wii years. Having to sit through all those commercials for high-definition Xbox games was soul-crushing.