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Wii U Speculation Thread 2: Can't take anymore of this!!!
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What the hell xD They are using two uPads on the same game... Why have we speculated for so long if the console will support two pads?
There should have ALWAYS been an option for Buttons / Classic Controller already with the Wii!
Dear NeoGAF members finally I'm allowed to post.
Hello to everyone here, I'm from good old Germany!!
I do follow this thread for a long time but IMAO it has lost the track a bit...
What I mean is there is less speculation and less rumors...
Now I would like to start with my guess/speculation about the Wii U -> and please if someone knows about the technical aspects please help me to understand why something is maybe not possible...
Long time I have thought about the upcoming new 3 HD brothers and what they have to reach.
They only have to reach 1080p maximum and anything that is inbetween 720 to 1080p.
Then that will even be a big step from the actual generation.
(PS360 mostly were sub HD except some few games)
A lot of members here have given possible specs for the Wii U...
If I for example take bgassassins prediction.
So, what would be wrong with that?
I think with these specs the developers can produce some nice stuff which will most of the time reach the desired 1080p
If they programming some stuff with 900p e.g. the Wii U only need a good upscaler like it is in the 360 by now.
What I mean is it should normally not matter if there is some iteration of the R700 series in the Wii U and a newer one in the PS4/720.
They (the gpus) are all able to output graphics beyond what is 1080p on a PC...the only thing differs is the things a developer can add as a plus!
But on consoles each gpu will have a cut at 1080p output at the moment.
Longer ago I was also reading some things about Nintendo cheapening on Wii U -> Why?
You all have to remember that Iwata himself stated that they consider with the Wii U to sell it with a loss.
So my (and many others) pricetag would be 400,– Euros consider that they sell it with a loss and the system would normally cost 450,– to be on +/- level!!
So now I would like to ask the other way around to someone (maybe bgassassin) who might now the truth.
If the whole price should be 450,– Euros to make it even and I minus 100,– Euros for the controller there is 350 Euros left. For that 350,– Euros what kind of hardware could possibly packed inside the box?
e.g.
Quad core @ 3,4 Ghz/core
something like the RV790 XT with reduced 700 - 800Mhz
512 MB eDRAM for CPU alone
1,5 GB GDDR5 for GPU alone
its only a guess, so would that be possible with 350,– Euros??
I hope I have not confused ppl cos I confused myself as writing all that...
But would be nice if someone could tell me if that would be possible.
(Maybe one reason of Nintendo silence is really cos they want to blowout a "monster" which is even better than anyone can think of now)
Maybe they could also use a gpu from evergreenseries like Juniper XT or Cypress XT both gpus came out in late 2009 if I'm not mistaken and they are 40nm production...
Hello to everyone here, I'm from good old Germany!!
I do follow this thread for a long time but IMAO it has lost the track a bit...
What I mean is there is less speculation and less rumors...
Now I would like to start with my guess/speculation about the Wii U -> and please if someone knows about the technical aspects please help me to understand why something is maybe not possible...
Long time I have thought about the upcoming new 3 HD brothers and what they have to reach.
They only have to reach 1080p maximum and anything that is inbetween 720 to 1080p.
Then that will even be a big step from the actual generation.
(PS360 mostly were sub HD except some few games)
A lot of members here have given possible specs for the Wii U...
If I for example take bgassassins prediction.
So, what would be wrong with that?
I think with these specs the developers can produce some nice stuff which will most of the time reach the desired 1080p
If they programming some stuff with 900p e.g. the Wii U only need a good upscaler like it is in the 360 by now.
What I mean is it should normally not matter if there is some iteration of the R700 series in the Wii U and a newer one in the PS4/720.
They (the gpus) are all able to output graphics beyond what is 1080p on a PC...the only thing differs is the things a developer can add as a plus!
But on consoles each gpu will have a cut at 1080p output at the moment.
Longer ago I was also reading some things about Nintendo cheapening on Wii U -> Why?
You all have to remember that Iwata himself stated that they consider with the Wii U to sell it with a loss.
So my (and many others) pricetag would be 400,– Euros consider that they sell it with a loss and the system would normally cost 450,– to be on +/- level!!
So now I would like to ask the other way around to someone (maybe bgassassin) who might now the truth.
If the whole price should be 450,– Euros to make it even and I minus 100,– Euros for the controller there is 350 Euros left. For that 350,– Euros what kind of hardware could possibly packed inside the box?
e.g.
Quad core @ 3,4 Ghz/core
something like the RV790 XT with reduced 700 - 800Mhz
512 MB eDRAM for CPU alone
1,5 GB GDDR5 for GPU alone
its only a guess, so would that be possible with 350,– Euros??
I hope I have not confused ppl cos I confused myself as writing all that...
But would be nice if someone could tell me if that would be possible.
(Maybe one reason of Nintendo silence is really cos they want to blowout a "monster" which is even better than anyone can think of now)
Maybe they could also use a gpu from evergreenseries like Juniper XT or Cypress XT both gpus came out in late 2009 if I'm not mistaken and they are 40nm production...
Unless that option handicaps de development and integration of motion controls in any way.
As soon as they have to hold back ideas meant for motion technology to accommodate classic controller controls, that option should not exist. Whatever your opinion of SS might be, the game is what it is because they were not chained to generic pad control layout to try and please everyone.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Heh. With RE2, they had one of the more impressive CD->cart ports.
AceBandage
Banned
No, the other guy is using a Classic Con Pro.
IrishNinja
Member
they don't need a rebranding; again, all they need is a logo.
They should call it Brovolution to appeal to the hardcore.i still think they should just call it "Revolution"
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
CoD's greatest strength is online and the unified structure of LIVE and PSN. CoD might be a guaranteed cash cow, but trying to wrestle the fanbase away from their comfort zone would be a nightmare. Just as people still buy Call of Duty for the Wii people will buy it for the Wii U. But the 'hardcore', the millions upon millions who buy and play the shit out of every iteration? They're happy with their existing gamer tag, record, friends list and achievements.
ThatObviousUser
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The Nintendo Mombanger.
they don't need a rebranding; again, all they need is a logo.
I think Nintendo will push for a small form factor.
They want to focus more on the controller than the console itself.
Just like iphones, ipads, etc. they want to various iterations of the Wii, with
only cosmetic changes.
Imagine you take the Wii out of its stand, and just replace it with the newer WiiU, which compatable with all the Wii controllers, peripherals & games. Check the box.
Cerebral Assassin
Member
HotD would have been much better with CC support, right?
I haven't opened my copy of SS so far, so I can't say anything about that, but the lack of CC support on TP and DKCR was actually quite irritating.
Come on, I didn't say that CC is always the better option, just that there should be the option (and HotD actually has DS support on PS3)
Huh.
I didn't really know what this game was about before but it actually looks like it has the potential to be quite fun. Even more so if they include decent online, 2 commanders, 2 FPS players.
Sorta wish they'd gone with a better IP for it, like a serious alien invasion thing more like the tone of X-Com, but whatever.
Also Timecrisis. But they "have" to because the move is not the standard control of the PS3,
Wiimote IS for the Wii though.
Cerebral Assassin
Member
Do you think the Wii would have been as popular if Wii Sports had have had a CC option? Certain games support a particular control system & taking time to add alternative controls in the name of "options" isn't a good use of resources.
fabricated backlash
Member
This would be one hell of a launchwindow lineup. In fact it would probably be dangerous for publishers as they would be canibalizing the market early on. Still, I expect the Wii U launch to be vastly better and supported than both the Wii amd 3DS launch.
fabricated backlash
Member
Well cod elite is there for a reason. Activision is well aware about all the potential e-penis stats and with a plattform like elite, migrating players to their service rather than having them bound to a manufacturer service is going to be a powerfull tool for them. And if Nintendo is really playing the publishers bitch when it comes to the WiiU online, then I expect them to push the plattform immensely.
Realistically though, we're probably looking at one of the most consumer unfriendly systems to ever come into existence. EA be praised!
Diddy Kong
Banned
Anyone else hoping the Wii-U will have Dreamcast games on the VC?
You mean Bravolution =P
I like it calls "El MachoBravo"
Diddy Kong
Banned
I'd love to see Jet Grind Radio and Sega Marine Fishing myself
Hot Coldman
Banned
Only if Samuel L Jackson is in the launch ads.
Do the PSN and Xbox Live have Dreamcast games?
It's not the same PSU. Voltage is most likely the same, wattage probably isn't.
Cerebral Assassin
Member
The ones that had PC ports are available on XBLA & PSN (Crazy Taxi, SC5, Sonic Adventure).
I'm afraid of this too. Afraid of this and the fact that, since console exclusivity is pretty much a dead art, even if 3rd parties support the Wii U with all of their major titles, they probably won't put much effort into making them look significantly beyond the PS360 versions, at least not in a way that'll be immediately noticeable to the masses.
This is why Nintendo needs to do to things.
1) Really focus on core gamers at the start and have top teams working on visually impressive games. Release a few family-friendly titles, but other than that the casuals can wait (they're busy sucking the teet of Kinect right now anyway). Nintendo needs to establish right at the start that the Wii U hardware is undeniably next gen if they want to tempt gamers, and until the other next gen consoles come out (and arguably even for a few years after), Nintendo is going to be the only developer with incentive to really try to fully utilize the Wii U.
2) Moneyhat, moneyhat, moneyhat.
I see, then, there a possibility to see DC games on Nintendo's VC. I wouldn't hold my breath tho.
LegendofJoe
Member
I just want to see some Nintendo produced games in HD. It's been close to 7 years in the making, we've all waited long enough dammit. I don't understand this insistence to wait until e3 to show anything new off. Why don't they let 3rd party publishers take precedence there and then do their own show like they used to?
Not to mention the Wii U controller they've shown doesn't feel very comfortable for playing shooters. I play a lot of competitive MP in console shooters and when you're playing for 2+ hours at a time the feel of the controller is very important. At E3 the Wii U controller felt very uncomfortable. It made me think Nintendo didn't test it at all with more core shooter fans. There's a huge difference between casually playing shooters and really getting into the competitive multiplayer. It was so uncomfortable that if it isn't fixed there is no way I'm playing a shooter on the Wii.
jump_button
Banned
So let talk about 3rd partys will it be same as Wii? where 3rd party turn they back on a monster hit and put B teams on a port for it? I still don't get what 3rd partys where waiting for
Just use it for a while until Nyko release the UGamer Pad Pro.
Only the ignorant have been speculating. It's been known since the E3 reveal that the console supports multiple tablets. Heck, there was even a Tekken demo running three tablets at the same time, one for each fighter and a third for an observer.
That wasn't as much Capcom as it was Angel Studios' magical compression method, pretty impressive to fit a 2 disc CD-rom game on a 512mbit cartridge
That would be sweet, I always wanted to try Jet Set/Grind Radio
Edit:
You were at E3? And used the controller? I thought a lot of game industry people (I refuse to call them journalists) said it was very light and comfortable, not at all what you're describing.
Then again that's not as weird as people thinking the Duke was a comfortable and good controller (That's crazy talk)
Well the Wii U has to become a hit.
And this will sound like delusions, but I feel like if the Wii U has a rocky start a lot of developers will use that as an excuse to wait and see where the market goes. And not talking like a bad first year, more like bad first 3-4 months.
You've actually held one? If so, you're like... the first person ever on the internet to say it sucked after actually holding one. To Giant Bomb with you to write the first scathing editorial!
Are you the only person claiming the controller felt uncomfortable? Everyone else has noted how comfortable it feels. And of course Wii U will still support he Wii Remote and Nunchuck, which this gen has taught me is the only way to play FPS.
jump_button
Banned
Cant see it being a Monster hit like Wii was, and yeah I think they will just give us the bs about waiting or moan that Big N 1st party's are to strong
Maybe it will do as well as 360 (ps im not just talking about USA only) but it really down to games really hope it dont get a PS3 start
In the end it all comes does to price, availability and games
if the price is right (under 300 imo) they have plenty of the units and the game selection is ANYTHING like that list above (and i am sure there will be more than that), then i think the WiiU will sell very will.
me? i'll be getting one, i just have to get a new tv for the living room (it is weird but that is the only room that does NOT have an HD tv, i have 3 kids we have 4 HD tv's(all 720p), one in each bedroom. the other tv's are all standard def, Hell my HD tv is a Tube 32" tv..weighs a about 90lbs....) tv for the living room is going to be a ~55" unit.....
if the price is right (under 300 imo) they have plenty of the units and the game selection is ANYTHING like that list above (and i am sure there will be more than that), then i think the WiiU will sell very will.
me? i'll be getting one, i just have to get a new tv for the living room (it is weird but that is the only room that does NOT have an HD tv, i have 3 kids we have 4 HD tv's(all 720p), one in each bedroom. the other tv's are all standard def, Hell my HD tv is a Tube 32" tv..weighs a about 90lbs....) tv for the living room is going to be a ~55" unit.....
Interesting that you think so. Glad you're being honest.
I know a lot of people have written previews saying the uPad is comfortable to hold, but I find it very hard to trust these previews because a lot of people said the same thing about the 3DS in previews...and well, that thing's not comfortable at all, especially if you have large hands. Lots of "industry people" are honest about that now...
The uPad borrows too many design cues from the 3DS for me to not be skeptical. I'm hoping it gets a redesign.
I can't see it either, unless it launches at $249 - which I don't think is even a possibility. $299, maybe - but $349 is the most probable. People are suffering financially and will find it hard to justify the expense of buying a new console, accessories and games, which would be $500+ when all is said and done.
A $299 (or less) launch would be my sweet spot. Otherwise, I will wait for a price drop before I bite.
Draw your own grafitti sprays on the WiiU controller! The original had an image import option, so I bet they could rig something up to work before you entered the main game.
So essentially.. you'll go along with any impressions that justifies what you want to believe. (not saying either side is right or wrong)
But sounds like confirmation bias.
without a "Wii Sports" WiiU won't bust out of the gate like Wii did. Nintendo has shown some neat ideas for U, but nothing as intuitive and compelling as Sports...
i do think that if they can get all of the third party games, it'll be a very compelling proposition mid-gen, even after more powerful systems are released. assuming no huge surprises from sony/ms, i think the ucontroller has some nice advantages (i know lots of folk that would take lower quality visuals in exchange for "play it in the same room on the pad while Sue watches tv").
if they can't secure all the third party games they'll have a terrible time getting wii-like sales at any point based on what we've seen so far.
i do think that if they can get all of the third party games, it'll be a very compelling proposition mid-gen, even after more powerful systems are released. assuming no huge surprises from sony/ms, i think the ucontroller has some nice advantages (i know lots of folk that would take lower quality visuals in exchange for "play it in the same room on the pad while Sue watches tv").
if they can't secure all the third party games they'll have a terrible time getting wii-like sales at any point based on what we've seen so far.
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