frankie_baby
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even if Arkam is in the industry doesnt mean he's a dev, he could just as easily be the tea boy or a cleaner
In all fairness, Nintendo says a lot of bullshit.
Quite frankly I wouldn't expect anyone to talk shit about a system before it hits the market, especially if you're trying to sell your games on it that'll be a few months old when the system hits.
I'm not sure we've ever heard any clear comment about its power from 3rd parties, other than ambiguous/vague statements like "It'll be the definitive version" or "Fish meet water".
After the Wii I don't think I'm gonna buy a console again that'll be weaker than the (next) competition. I missed so many great titles this gen, I'm not sure it's worth it anymore.
Not only that, but at this stage Nintendo requires some hella-tough security. Even within a company that is using new hardware, only the team actually working with it is supposed to know about it - even execs aren't to be told unless they are already know. And that team is supposed to work in a secure room with no windows and no internet connection (unless required by the game they are making), with every team member having signed an NDA. Now, of course that doesn't keep those people from going home and spreading news, or telling their buddies, but the NDA is scary.My take, Wii U is massively NDA'ed, no responsible or respectable developer would dare talk about it on a public forum.
Dev kits are only in the hands of hand picked choices by Nintendo like every new platform, these guys don't casually chat on forums on future projects, if they did it would be foolish, nobody likes to be unemployed.
Everyone shutup.
It's actually impossible for Arkam's statements to be true.
I'm not sure we've ever heard any clear comment about its power from 3rd parties, other than ambiguous/vague statements like "It'll be the definitive version" or "Fish meet water".
Not only that, but at this stage Nintendo requires some hella-tough security. Even within a company that is using new hardware, only the team actually working with it is supposed to know about it - even execs aren't to be told unless they are already know. And that team is supposed to work in a secure room with no windows and no internet connection, with every team member having signed an NDA. Now, of course that doesn't keep those people from going home and spreading news, or telling their buddies, but the NDA is scary.
Yup, and their boss will most likely be told from the execs in-the-know that it's a secret project, don't ask questions. And you can't always tell if a secret project is something like that, because in my company we had other secret projects at other times that were just third-parties that really didn't want info about their software spilled early. One of those I didn't find out what it was until 3 years after it was completed.so they are allowed to make a game but not tell their boss what they're doing?
so they are allowed to make a game but not tell their boss what they're doing?
so they are allowed to make a game but not tell their boss what they're doing?
We have definitely gotten direct confirmation from developers that at a BARE MINIMUM it's on par with. And that's from E3, with devs that only had it a few weeks.
This is basically how the Naked Sample was made.
"But, in all honesty, if the Wii U turns out to be this ridiculously powerful machine, we will probably make changes to our budget and scope to take advantage of that. But that's currently not the plan. It's going to be a direct port. That's what we're planning on. But that's based off of what we believe the hardware's going to be like."
"It should be even superior for some of the games. We don't know everything, so we have a few things Nintendo is telling us that will have such and such powers."
Man, nintendo really kept those key devs with early info about the new console in the dark. Lots of IFs in there.
That doesn't make sense, though.
They'd have to go back and redesign the system.
You can't just magically make it weaker and save money.
You have to go back and spend money on R&D all over again.
We would like to show the final format of the Wii U at the E3 show next year. As we learned a bitter lesson with the launch of the Nintendo 3DS, we are trying to take every possible measure so that the Wii U will have a successful launch.
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With all of these efforts and plans I have mentioned so far, we are trying to get back to our previous profit level.
Man, nintendo really kept those key devs with early info about the new console in the dark. Lots of IFs in there.
Iwata did say something along the lines of going back to the drawing board with the system. Plus, there's nothing stopping them from having developed multiple Wii U prototypes with different power levels and choosing to go for the cheapest option at the last minute.
This could mean a better launch line-up OR a cheaper launch price than originally planned.
And this could mean more opportunities for customers to spend money OR larger profit margins on hardware.
Because one of the big advantages to NeoGAF is how tough they are on people falsely claiming to have inside information on something. Other forums you'll hear lots of "my uncle has a personal Wii-U dev kit and it's basically a Gameboy Color with holograms", and then someone else repeats that ("I heard the Wii-U is a GBC"), and soon it is spread around as common knowledge. Here if you say that you'd better hope that turns out close to that or your ass is grass. Especially if you're a Junior. It makes for a better discussion environment.
Again: Doesn't mean he's lying. But if he's working on small projects, it's unlikely his company gets first access to latest devkits, and they're probably using off-the-shelf middleware that simply isn't done, let alone properly optimized yet. There's only so much you can offset with brute force alone, especially if the hardware is actually inferior in some ways due to a different design approach.Everyone shutup.
It's actually impossible for Arkam's statements to be true.
Again he doesn't come out and say it's definitely more powerful, he even backs down a bit and says it "should be even superior for some of the games". How would a strictly more powerful console only sometimes be "superior" ?
We have IGN, but I wouldn't quite trust them on this issue. How good were their sources when Café originally leaked ? Vigil's comments admittedly put it closer to the 360 and I'd guess more modern architecture could make up for "weaker" hardware. They only reference how the game is gonna look, which - given how Darksiders 2 is not exactly the most amazing looking game - doesn't mean much.
Even later no clear comment regarding its power, other than that it's not going to be "ridiculously powerful".
We have IGN, but I wouldn't quite trust them on this issue. How good were their sources when Café originally leaked ? Vigil's comments admittedly put it closer to the 360 and I'd guess more modern architecture could make up for "weaker" hardware. They only reference how the game is gonna look, which - given how Darksiders 2 is not exactly the most amazing looking game - doesn't mean much.
I alerted them just a minute ago.Someone put Iwata at the phone, we are in great danger.
This could mean a better launch line-up OR a cheaper launch price than originally planned.
We have IGN, but I wouldn't quite trust them on this issue. How good were their sources when Café originally leaked ?
Pretty decent actually. Other than the Cafe rig, the info was more or less spot on. They accurately leaked the Wii specs too.
Pretty decent actually. Other than the Cafe rig, the info was more or less spot on. They accurately leaked the Wii specs too.
They got a little overzealous with the 3DS specs, but only in wording. They probably saw games like RE:R and assumed that was the baseline.
I'm not sure we've ever heard any clear comment about its power from 3rd parties, other than ambiguous/vague statements like "It'll be the definitive version" or "Fish meet water".
Smart people believe the reasonable rumor, unlike me. I'm a fucking pessimist, I don't believe it's more powerful until we get (more or less official) confirmation. It's Nintendo after all.
I'd expect the head of Ubisoft to be allowed to make a comment like "significantly more powerful" or "definitely more powerful". Alpha kits or not, I would think he'd know at least quite a bit about it's final power.
If anything we have the comment from Ancel who clearly states that Wii U is not next-gen in terms of power. Now this could mean many things, but it doesn't really raise my confidence.
They got a little overzealous with the 3DS specs, but only in wording. They probably saw games like RE:R and assumed that was the baseline.
Several developers that have experienced 3DS in its current form have reported, off the record, that it has processing capabilities that exceed the Nintendo Wii, and with 3D shaders they can make games that look close to current generation visuals on the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 on the lower resolution screens.
Does dev kits were this way?:
early dev kit
2nd dev kit (fixing subscreen issues)
3rd dev kit (stable subscreen features)
4th dev kit (considerable tech bump)
5th dev kit (worse when compared to 360)
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is this thread gonna fall apart?
Again I think it would take a lot for devs to shit over a console that was just announced. Stuff like that doesn't mean jack shit. They've all somewhat avoided the topic as far as I remember, though I must admit my memory is not the best, I've had a ton of stress the last 10 months.
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Of course most anonymous rumors seem to put Wii U above 360, from 2x (Develop) to 5x (IGN) the power of a 360. I guess it may seem reasonable to assume that it's more powerful than the 360.
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Is John F. Kennedy gonna die ?
even if Arkam is in the industry doesnt mean he's a dev, he could just as easily be the tea boy or a cleaner
Has Nintendo ever given a comment as to why the main series has remained on handhelds?
Because the games are built around interacting with people in real life.
Putting it on consoles defeats the purpose of it being a social and interactive game.
You can't very well carry around your console and trade Pokemon.
I imagine they also want to keep some diversity in line ups. Pokemon is a powerful tool in selling handhelds. If they started making mainline pokemon on consoles it could negatively impact their handhelds.
is this thread gonna fall apart?
It just means that they are dealing with an early(-ier) kit version. I give credit to arkam for being clear about that.
We don't know how many firmware updates they've received to even know what version of the dev kit his company has. And as we found out last month, companies (most likely the bigger ones) have started seeing kits that are better representations of the final hardware. And again I give arkam credit for saying they haven't received access to that yet.
Again: Doesn't mean he's lying. But if he's working on small projects, it's unlikely his company gets first access to latest devkits, and they're probably using off-the-shelf middleware that simply isn't done, let alone properly optimized yet. There's only so much you can offset with brute force alone, especially if the hardware is actually inferior in some ways due to a different design approach.
"Nintendo needs the Wii U to be powerful, but also affordable. But at the same time, you have these technological advances, and you have the needs of being able to take advantage of that technology, and those result in increasing costs and things like that. And so I think that in terms of companies that really look very carefully at what is the best balance between price and possibility in terms of the hardware, Nintendo is the company that's going to probably pay the most attention to striking that right balance," Miyamoto had said.
Our faith is falling apart!
If the system is on a handheld, you can trade online and locally.
If the system is on a console, you can trade online and that's it.
If the system is on a handheld, you can trade online and locally.
If the system is on a console, you can trade online and that's it.
I just came upon this while browsing through tumblr. (I don't know the real source, though
A Wii U pokemon game has so much potential! Has Nintendo ever given a comment as to why the main series has remained on handhelds?
I could see a 3DS sync-up with a console version via an eShop app that turns that console Pokemon game into an AR sort of experience when you're out of the house, where you meet "trainers" in real-life, StreetPass notifies you if they're "battle-ready" via a sound effect or something, and you engage them in battles. You can trade Pokemon with them after a battle if you so chose. It then syncs back up to the console version via SpotPass when you arrive home.
And suddenly there's no loss in that real-world playing and trading aspect.