It means we are enjoying 60fps goodness...I don't care how they achieve it, if the game is eye candy AND fluid, they can employ whatever tricks they want.
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Wii U: Underpowered Hardware, 60 fps galore!!
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It means we are enjoying 60fps goodness...I don't care how they achieve it, if the game is eye candy AND fluid, they can employ whatever tricks they want.
HUELEN10
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But with the Dreamcast, you have the fact that it was basically Naomi mini; which of those big hits at the arcade weren't 60 FPS?
To fuel the fire:
Ps360 can't run Bayo 2 the way the U does in the videos showcased at Treehouse. For example:
I don't believe it's possible on ps360. It seems really optimised for WiiU with also some more advanced design tailored for the U.
And the fight gets even crazier. That Gamorah fight is also something the ps360 would likely not run without some serious downgrades.
I love that Wii U's been able to push out intensive gameplay like this at a locked 60fps. I'm very impressed with the console so far this gen. It would be increadible if Nintendo somehow finds a way to shrink the OS down when a game opens and allow another 700-900MB of ram for devs. The bump in texture detail would be pretty big. I've been wondering if they could overclock the GPU by 50MGHz considering how cool it runs.
Trevelyan9999
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3D World lets you control the camera some what, but even if you could move it in 360 degrees, the game would have been fine.
Mario Kart 8 lets you seamlessly look behind you with the rear view mirror toggle, the game is still smooth as silk.
That's odd to me.
Most TVs these days are fixed pixel displays with 1080p panels so even without AA it's going to look a lot better using 1080p than upscaling from 720p (which doesn't divide evenly into 1080). Adding a decent post AA solution on top of native resolution produces image quality far beyond 720p without AA.
That said, a lot of it depends on your display. A good CRT monitor can still make 1024x768 with a little MSAA look absolutely stunning.
Angelus Errare
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Dead Rising...which struggled with 30fps.
th3sicknness
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The issue with most 720p 60 fps games on last gen (360 / ps3) was the stability of the frame rate and lack of vsync... Vsync is evident on MOST Nintendo Wii U titles when compared to the others. Being able to have vsync on without much judder is impressive .. people dont talk about that at all surprisingly.
test_account
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That might be, but you have to start somewhere though, so i wouldnt say that it is a desperate move to drum up sales. Right now, 4k is mostly for the enthusiast market indeed, but i dont see any reason for why 4k needs to fail. Its not like nothing of the other things like source material (video) and black level etc. wont improve over time. For example, the first 1080p TVs are worse than the 1080p TV that we have now.
People are expecting it to.
Zelda is expected to run at 30FPS, so that will surprise no one.
Saint Gregory
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I don't think that any of the 3D Zeldas have run higher than 30fps so that's almost a certainty. Given the quality of the graphics I expect it to be 720P as well. I wish it could be higher on both counts but I hope that those concessions are being made with a better game in mind. If I felt that most other developers were conceding framerate and res to make better games you wouldn't see a single complaint from me.
Camera control is now being used as a reason to downplay?
Whenever someone brings up GOW3 as evidence of PS3 comparability to the WiiU and someone mentions it's fixed camera it's more or less brushed aside because...... reasons?
As people have said before MK8 lets you look behind you, SM3DW gives you camera control some what, Nintendoland gives you camera control and Bayonetta 2 gives you camera control as well and they all are at 60fps.
Again with the art style thing, 30fps side scrolling 1st party Puppetter on the PS3 says differently.
And the fight gets even crazier. That Gamorah fight is also something the ps360 would likely not run without some serious downgrades.
I love that Wii U's been able to push out intensive gameplay like this at a locked 60fps. I'm very impressed with the console so far this gen. It would be increadible if Nintendo somehow finds a way to shrink the OS down when a game opens and allow another 700-900MB of ram for devs. The bump in texture detail would be pretty big. I've been wondering if they could overclock the GPU by 50MGHz considering how cool it runs.
Damn. Seriously though, I don't understand the people that claim it's low poly count or art style, then if it was how can platinum achieve this type of performance.
paradise_circus
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similiar games are running with 60fps on the other consoles as well.... with exceptions though.
if it comes to more "bigger" games like zelda or xenoblade the games will run at 30fps as well.
If nothing else, I appreciate the Wii U for putting the lie to the idea that 60fps is some impossibly high standard to achieve for any game which is not open-world. Nintendo has actually been pretty great at prioritizing framerate ever since the Gamecube, minus some 3DS games in 3D mode.
Lambda Pie
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the hardcore don't care about framerate, why would GAF innit.
Fudgepuppy
Banned
Would any of those games be worse with higher framerate?
I've had more fun with MW2 than any other fps on Xbox 360, because of its fluidity and hectic gameplay.
Yep. If Nintendo were 60fps first, Zelda would be 60fps and it wouldn't look like that E3 footage, either.
Of course some of those launch games achieved that by field-rendering, LOL.
Still, that generation had far better framerates than the HD generation.
whyreggielie
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Do u think that "cartoony" games don't have shaders, effects, high polygon counts, and lighting? Because I can assure you that they do, and Nintendo has a high level of these graphical effects in their games and probably even more so than you see in some of those realistic games. Graphical realism does not mean "needs more power", the only reason some of these games might need a stronger GPU/CPU and more ram is because they have more going on in a single space requiring such and then have more to load in the background.
Realistic does not mean that it needs more power at all. If Nintendo converted SM3DW to a realistic look then the thing that would have to change are textures but in that process they would tone down the lighting and use less shaders and effects anyway. The graphical style they use is for aesthetic, it looks pleasing to the eye and its not simply art, shaders is what makes the cartoony look and just like everything else they require a modern GPU.
foxuzamaki
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er wonderful101 is first party, and nintendo was the one paying for it, W101 seling was in their best interest, but the problem is it was a hard game to market.
Mauricio_Magus
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As someone that really loves 60fps, I really love my Wii U.
It's amazing how they can pull games like Bayo 2 at 60fps.
It's amazing how they can pull games like Bayo 2 at 60fps.
ipukespiders
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I must see the original video for the gif you posted. Where can I find it?
OldAsUrSock
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Increase in framerate also improves the look of the game and many will argue, myself included, that the visuals you get from 60fps outweigh the visuals you get for 30fps.
TheLaughingStock
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God of War 3 doesn't use a fixed camera. http://gdcvault.com/play/1014606/Iterating-on-a-Dynamic-Camera
Chezzymann
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Uhh what? Nintendo Land, Super Mario 3D World, Splatoon, Mario Kart, and Bayonetta 2 are all 3rd person behind type games that run at 60fps
BONKERS
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I'd also like to point out regarding AA.
Dead Rising 3 on PC has SMAA T2x and it still has a ton of issues in motion. (But on purely geometric elements it looks pretty good. It's a step up from FXAA and SMAA 1x. But it's no SGSSAA)
Video link chrome://mega/content/secure.html#F!G1wXgZAC!aJtEBsc92rCl6dRwb3f31w
So regardless of the fact that it looks good/decent in a still shot...
Dead Rising 3 on PC has SMAA T2x and it still has a ton of issues in motion. (But on purely geometric elements it looks pretty good. It's a step up from FXAA and SMAA 1x. But it's no SGSSAA)
Video link chrome://mega/content/secure.html#F!G1wXgZAC!aJtEBsc92rCl6dRwb3f31w
So regardless of the fact that it looks good/decent in a still shot...
Your link doesn't work.
BONKERS
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You have to have the Mega plug in installed, and then copy pasta that into your browser.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
The Wii is such an anomaly though. It was pretty much a fad, ala tamagotchi, beanie babies, etc... that caught on mainstream do to Wii Sports and Wii Fit.
It also dived off a cliff with regards to support.. since almost nothing sold that wasn't 1st party after awhile.
As far as 360 to PS3 power? There never was a 100% clearly better machine.. they were pretty equal when it all boils down.. with each having pros and cons that equaled out which was more powerful.
Going forward.. I don't think we'll see another Wii that is considerably weaker ever win the battle again.
fallingdove
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And the fight gets even crazier. That Gamorah fight is also something the ps360 would likely not run without some serious downgrades.
I love that Wii U's been able to push out intensive gameplay like this at a locked 60fps. I'm very impressed with the console so far this gen. It would be increadible if Nintendo somehow finds a way to shrink the OS down when a game opens and allow another 700-900MB of ram for devs. The bump in texture detail would be pretty big. I've been wondering if they could overclock the GPU by 50MGHz considering how cool it runs.
Oh come now - you don't know what the PS360 would and wouldn't be able to handle. What about the titan battles of God of War 3? You don't think that is at least as demanding as Bayonetta 2? The comments in this thread are hillarious.
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I remember watching a review of that game and it was dipping as low as 13fps all the time. There's no way I could have played it without feeling sick.
Ragnarok
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i think you really underestimate how great GOW3 looked
Ragnarok
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I also can't believe someone said that all you'd have to do to the mario model to make it realistic is change the textures. Crazy talk. Mario Kart 8 looks great, especially in motion. But it's all art style and an amazing color palette.
Everything about the game is low poly though. The karts..the characters..ESPECIALLY the environments. It's just super obvious.
Everything about the game is low poly though. The karts..the characters..ESPECIALLY the environments. It's just super obvious.
killatopak
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I also can't believe someone said that all you'd have to do to the mario model to make it realistic is change the textures. Crazy talk. Mario Kart 8 looks great, especially in motion. But it's all art style and an amazing color palette.
Everything about the game is low poly though. The karts..the characters..ESPECIALLY the environments. It's just super obvious.
dem jaggies.
Seriously, the lack of AA impedes this from being the perfect game that it was supposed to be.
Dat gameplay doe.
Papacheeks
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UM..... it's made by Platinum games so no your wrong it's second party. Meaning Just like sonic:The lost world it's contracted exclusive through Nintendo's publishing.
First Party are games that are made within Nintendo itself. Like Mario Party, MARIO Kart, Super Mario U, Mario 3D WORLD, Donkey Kong.
Nintendo doesn't own Platinum, they own the publishing rights to Wonderful 101. But they don't own Platinum the studio so there for it wouldn't be considered a first party Studio game. They own the rights to the IP wonderful 101. But they don't own the Bayonetta IP, just have a contract to publish it exclusively on Wii U.
Food for thought:http://metro.co.uk/2013/08/30/platinum-games-talks-wonderful-101-sequel-and-nintendo-buyout-3943002/
I would double check your post's for typo's as I had a lot in mine earlier today.
And my statement still stands when it comes to other games that are not Mario, or Zelda, they don't promote them to the same extent.
Which is why threads like these keep popping up.
These threads unfortunately exist for people to feel good about their purchase of the console, and to see if other's have the same alignment.
Until the patch.=p
Papacheeks
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Their 1080p but a lot of them are not native 1080p.
Most are 720p @60fps up scaled to 1080p.
LittleJohnny
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That's because their target was probably 30fps from the start, thus they were able to load more eye candy. Had they chosen to target 60fps, OoT would've ran exactly that, 60fps however it wouldn't look as detailed as it is and would probably have less draw distance, etc. So if the question, can we target what's expected of next gen visuals, say UE4 Elemental demo, and expect to run the game at 60fps? Absolutely not.
The more I play mario kart the actual less impressed I am with the graphics. Espeically when watching replays in slow mo. Not to mention the haze the game has.
Ragnarok
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Papacheeks
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I also can't believe someone said that all you'd have to do to the mario model to make it realistic is change the textures. Crazy talk. Mario Kart 8 looks great, especially in motion. But it's all art style and an amazing color palette.
Everything about the game is low poly though. The karts..the characters..ESPECIALLY the environments. It's just super obvious.
It's funny I was saying the same thing about why the games like Mario Kart among other's can hit the 60fps. I got slammed, because I brought up how if you look at these games, it's color pallet's, simple shapes and geometry. Not a lot of detail character models or even terrain.
Which is why I say, I dare Nintendo try to make something outside of these design's that they use for most of their product lines.
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