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I'm not going to jump to any conclusions either way, but the biggest black mark on all of this for me is -

If I was a guy, afraid for my life because I pissed off the United States government, why would I go and do some dumb shit like rape some girls? Not just one, but two? Two girls who KNOW each other? First of all I'm famous, I could get any hippy ass I wanted, second of all I probably have enough to pay for a hooker. Why would I go and throw that all away? Wouldn't I think to myself after the first rape "Hey, this was a really bad idea, this is going to fuck up my rep hard core." I wouldn't continue that train of thought to "You know who else was hot? Her friend, I'm going to rape her as well."

That doesn't fit any MO I can even imagine, and I've watched a lot of CSI.
 
I don't buy this at all. OJ would never murder someone, let alone his estranged wife. The guy is nationally famous, how would he ever be able to avoid scrutiny if it happened? He'd have to be a complete moron to go through with it knowing that, and I have seen enough interviews with Juice to know that he's not. Plus, the guy runs or donates heavily to like five different charities. And he can barely get out of bed without pain medication. Something isn't right here, and you can tell because he fled in his car. It's not like the guy would do that if he thought he was getting a fair investigation and trial. He knows something is up. The PEOPLE have your back, Juice. We got you.
 
Kinitari said:
I'm not going to jump to any conclusions either way, but the biggest black mark on all of this for me is -

If I was a guy, afraid for my life because I pissed off the United States government, Why would I go and do some dumb shit like rape some girls? Not just one, but two? Two girls who KNOW each other? First of all I'm famous, I could get any hippy ass I wanted, second of all I probably have enough to pay for a hooker. Why would I go and through that all away? Wouldn't I think to myself after the first rape "Hey, this was a really bad idea, this is going to fuck up my rep hard core." I wouldn't continue that train of thought to "You know who else was hot? Her friend, I'm going to rape her as well."

That doesn't fit any MO I can even imagine, and I've watched a lot of CSI.
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Because this liberal hates our freedomz
 
bullshit. and even if he was a rapist, it wouldn't discredit WikiLeaks in any way. he's not the only person working on the project...

people just think that Assange = Wikileaks. makes him an obvious target for character assassination.

also, i don't believe he could rape two women. many people don't know this but the majority of women fight back, and escape rape before it happens. this guy doesn't look like someone who could overpower women like that...
 
Kinitari said:
That doesn't fit any MO I can even imagine, and I've watched a lot of CSI.
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Just to be clear, I'm thinking it's unlikely he became a serial rapist, but I also doubt the CIA caused his problems. He is perfectly capable of causing his own.
 
Knowing that the might of the US federal government is likely behind every bush keeping an eye on him, I somehow doubt this man would go on a raping spree last week.
 
Kinitari said:
I'm not going to jump to any conclusions either way, but the biggest black mark on all of this for me is -

If I was a guy, afraid for my life because I pissed off the United States government, Why would I go and do some dumb shit like rape some girls? Not just one, but two? Two girls who KNOW each other? First of all I'm famous, I could get any hippy ass I wanted, second of all I probably have enough to pay for a hooker. Why would I go and through that all away? Wouldn't I think to myself after the first rape "Hey, this was a really bad idea, this is going to fuck up my rep hard core." I wouldn't continue that train of thought to "You know who else was hot? Her friend, I'm going to rape her as well."

That doesn't fit any MO I can even imagine, and I've watched a lot of CSI.
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Hippy-ass easily ranks in the top five least desirable types of ass. Off the top of my head only ghetto-ass, trailer-ass and hookers compete with it.

and maybe he thinks he's too famous to get caught? Maybe he's a rapist that doesn't logically think out the rammifications of rape while raping his rape victims. You know, like how rape is a fucked up thing to do. Someone who doesn't get that probably doesn't consider your point at all.

This thread is combining two of the worst elements of humanity into one defense-force: celebrity worshiping and conspiracy theories.
 
Pickles the Firecat said:
I don't buy this at all. OJ would never murder someone, let alone his estranged wife. The guy is nationally famous, how would he ever be able to avoid scrutiny if it happened? He'd have to be a complete moron to go through with it knowing that, and I have seen enough interviews with Juice to know that he's not. Plus, the guy runs or donates heavily to like five different charities. And he can barely get out of bed without pain medication. Something isn't right here, and you can tell because he fled in his car. It's not like the guy would do that if he thought he was getting a fair investigation and trial. He knows something is up. The PEOPLE have your back, Juice. We got you.
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Comparing Assange to OJ :lol

He could have a cellar filled with the bones of the babies he devours while nobody looks, but the fact that this happened to the most surveiled security expert in the world should raise some eyebrows.
 
Maybe he was drunk, maybe he was high, maybe he thought it was consensual, know one knows jack to say rape is impossible. Anyhow from what I'm reading from reddit commenters who can read swedish is that supposedly the women are somehow involved with wikileaks and went to the police asking for advice, not to press charges because they were either afraid of wikileaks(lol?) or wanted to protect wikileaks. But somehow sewdish allows for police to file charges even without the victem's consent. This is all early conjecture though, wait for more accurate info~
 
JGS said:
Just to be clear, I'm thinking it's unlikely he became a serial rapist, but I also doubt the CIA caused his problems. He is perfectly capable of causing his own.
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I'm not saying the CIA or anyone caused his problems, for all we know he did rape those girls, it's just the way everything went down is so suspect.

1. A guy with a lot of media attention and the disdain of a very powerful nation - already under the spotlight and nervous as heck.

2. He rapes one girl.

3. At a later date, he rapes another girl - not a complete stranger to the first, but a friend of hers.

4. These girls then both - at what appears to be the same time - accuse him of rape.

I just don't see how this all could work. Does he have any previous history of sexual abuse? Going from 0 to Serial rapist in 60 seconds is pretty crazy. It seems like at least one of the girls willingly let him into her apartment - meaning she wasn't forced into any situation up until at least that point. How does he know both of the girls, and how do they know each other?

And I guess my most important question is - if I were famous enough to either pay for or use my fame to get a very wide variety of ass, why would I go and do something like this? It doesn't seem right. If he has a history of sexual abusing females, I could more readily believe it - but I guess for now we wait and see what the evidence says.


Pickles the Firecat said:
Hippy-ass easily ranks in the top five least desirable types of ass. Off the top of my head only ghetto-ass, trailer-ass and hookers compete with it.

and maybe he thinks he's too famous to get caught? Maybe he's a rapist that doesn't logically think out the rammifications of rape while raping his rape victims. You know, like how rape is a fucked up thing to do. Someone who doesn't get that probably doesn't consider your point at all.

This thread is combining two of the worst elements of humanity into one defense-force: celebrity worshiping and conspiracy theories.
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Dude a lot of people are flat out saying they don't believe this at all, and I get how that is upsetting. But even more are supremely suspicious - is that so weird in this situation? This didn't happen in a vacuum, there are so many factors to consider, even ignoring the CIA or any governments history of framing or assassinations - the situation itself is suspect. I don't think I've ever heard of a serial rapist popping out of the blue - as far as I know there is almost always a history of sexual abuse - either committed by the rapist or on the rapist.
 
Funky Papa said:
Comparing Assange to OJ :lol

He could have a cellar filled with the bones of the babies he devours while nobody looks, but the fact that this happened to the most surveiled security expert in the world should raise some eyebrows.
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I'm comparing the logic of this thread to the logic of OJ defenders. The basic argument is "Assange wouldn't do that! Think about X or Y! He's being framed!"

We know the guy is an egomaniacal douchebag. We know egomaniacal douchebags have raped/murdered people in the past for a variety of reasons, despite their fame and obvious inability to avoid scrutiny. Yet Assange, nope. Dude is clearly too smart to do that!

Sorry to say it guys, but your hero might be a bit of a cunt. Lets at least consider that possibility next to the worldwide conspiracy theory.
 
Pickles the Firecat said:
Hippy-ass easily in the top five least desirable types of ass. Off the top of my head only ghetto-ass, trailer-ass and hookers compete with it.

and maybe he thinks he's too famous to get caught? Maybe he's a rapist that doesn't logically think out the rammifications of rape while raping his rape victims. You know, like how rape is a fucked up thing to do. Someone who doesn't get that probably doesn't consider your point at all.

This thread is combining two of the worst elements of humanity into one defense-force: celebrity worshiping and conspiracy theories.
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The trouble is no one is being sensationalist here. It has nothing to do with "celebrity status", this isn't about the person here in question but the context. Of course it's possible he raped those two women but, all things considered, the likelihood of this accusation being true is a lot lower.

If this was a claim based on an incident that happened some time ago, then it would be more likely than it is now - even if the claims were traced/dug up by a group trying to ruin his rep. The guy was talking about how he and WikiLeaks were under surveillance, he felt, months ago before these documents were released. He realises despite the plaudits for the release, there are many people angered by it and there have been questions asked of him. It makes it irrational for you to then suicide your character knowing that would essentially equate to destroying the credibility of WikiLeaks. He more than anyone would have known he is the public face of that group. So, I'm afraid many of us are viewing this as 'would WikiLeaks destroy itself like this knowing when its being scrutinized and watched'? This isn't him on trial, it is WikiLeaks.

I'm not saying the accusations are false, but the timing is absolutely the best way to damage WikiLeaks and their staff - something many would have been motivated to do. So if you compare the two possibilities here, I think the latter is more likely.
 
This article doesn't mention it but the 2 women knew each other previous to these accusations. The whole thing smells like bullshit.

Here's a good post from reddit.
SventheWonderDog said:
The Swedish justice system has three separate courts for criminal and civil cases.
Tingsrätten is the first, where the the standards are somewhat "low" with regards to evidence. Preliminary sentencing occurs here. If there is a possibility of appeal (almost always when jailtime is involved), you go to...
Hovrätten is a bit more rigorous. Here a sentence can be amended, or thrown out completely. It is highly doubtful that Assange would be convicted in this court based on the testimony of two girls who know eachother. After that...
Högsta domstolen is basically our supreme court, and it is were precedence is established.
A few notes.
Sweden does not have a jury system.
In this particular case, the two girls have not pressed charges (sneaky).
The prosecutor did on her own behest, and this will leave the girls completely off the hook for making a false report.
They "voiced concerns" with the police, who are then forced to investigate the matter.
Everyone's ass is covered this way, and it's a fucking shame.
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Funky Papa said:
He could have a cellar filled with the bones of the babies he devours while nobody looks, but the fact that this happened to the most surveiled security expert in the world should raise some eyebrows.
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The fact that they didn't file an official report and yet for some reason the police are still looking for him is what raises an eyebrow for me. How does a police organization go out looking for a criminal when there's no official report of a crime?

Edit: Answered in the post above me. It requires an unusual legal system.
 
Pickles the Firecat said:
Sorry to say it guys, but your hero might be a bit of a cunt. Lets at least consider that possibility next to the worldwide conspiracy theory.
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You characterization is silly and it is not making you any favours. For starters, not everyone who smells something fishy in this affair sees a hero in Assange, nor believes in lizzard people.
 
I don't know how much money he's worth, but if he has a sex drive, the sudden fame to match up with it, plus a bit of a kink fetish, then that would all add up to him sleeping with two girls who thought they could get something out of him.

This happens a lot more often than the CIA staging 2 one night stands for a pretty harmless guy. Even if the site itself is dangerous to the CIA, it would continue in his absence, so a conspiracy does nothing and seems unlikely to me. But anythings possible...

Plus people are both saying that the CIA is responsible for this pretty elaborate scheme but also too stupid to pull it together which seems odd to me as well.
 
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One of the women speaking out:

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article7652935.ab Google translate:

Information about charges against Wikileaks founders Julian Assange

Aftonbladet has talked to one of the women behind the notification of rape against Julian Assange.

When she came in contact with a woman who told me that Assange had raped her, the two went to the police. The woman is in her 30s and now want to go out with her story in Aftonbladet to talk about what the allegations about the substance and to correct some inaccuracies in the news, published in the Express this morning.

During his visit to Sweden, Julian Assange met the two women. He now suspected of raping one and suspected sexual assault of a second.

Consider themselves victims of sexual abuse Women and Assange met during his stay in Stockholm and has not previously seen either him or each other.

The woman in her 30s said that she, for its part claims to be a victim of a sexual assault or molestation, but not a rape.

The origins of the police report came in last Friday. Another woman approached her and told a similar, but worse history. The woman is between 20 and 30.

For the sake of the ongoing police investigation to the woman in her 30s does not tell you more details as of yet, but she has left a very detailed statement to the police. Although the other woman has made a detailed statement to the police.

"I thought immediately of her duties because I had an experience similar to her story", the woman says to Aftonbladet.

The two women now decided to jointly go to the police to make their data.

"It is quite wrong that we would be afraid Assange and therefore refused to notify, "said the woman, he is not violent and I do not feel threatened by him.

In both cases, it is about six to a voluntary early as the later released in the assault. "The other woman wanted to report the rape. I gave my story as testimony to her story and to support her. We are full of information, the woman says to Aftonbladet.

"Not orchestrated allegations" The conspiracy theories that are flooding the web right now dismisses the woman in her 30s decided. "The charges against Assange is of course not orchestrated by either the Pentagon or another. The responsibility for what happened to me and the other girl is in a man with skew kvinnosyn and problems to take no for an answer.

There is now therefore a notification of the rape of a woman against Assange. The notification is a testimony to police as recent data classified as sexual harassment.
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Come on gaf, there must be some swedish speakers here. let us know what your papers are saying about these charges.
 
Funky Papa said:
You characterization is silly and it is not making you any favours. For starters, not everyone who smells something fishy in this affair sees a hero in Assange, nor believes in lizzard people.
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If it makes you feel any better, I'm sure you have a much better reason for jumping to your conclusions than those people.

All I'm saying is there are plenty of non-History Channel investigatory explanations for this. Such as what JGS and a few others have suggested: money-hungry women. Or, you know, that he's a rapist. We should at least consider those before implicating national governments.
 
JGS said:
I don't know how much money he's worth, but if he has a sex drive, the sudden fame to match up with it, plus a bit of a kink fetish, then that would all add up to him sleeping with two girls who thought they could get something out of him.

This happens a lot more often than the CIA staging 2 one night stands for a pretty harmless guy. Even if the site itself is dangerous to the CIA, it would continue in his absence, so a conspiracy does nothing and seems unlikely to me. But anythings possible...

Plus people are both saying that the CIA is responsible for this pretty elaborate scheme but also too stupid to pull it together which seems odd to me as well.
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Do you know what happens quite oftenly too?

-The CIA royally screwing its operations
-People making dangerous claims for attention

I'm not saying that Assange is an sexless Angel incapable of rape, but some possibilities shouldn't be disregarded just because his work offends you. He is a famous individual that is taking an olympic piss on some really powerful people. Bad stuff can happen to him, too.

If it makes you feel any better, I'm sure you have a much better reason for jumping to your conclusions than those people.
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You are jumping to conclusions by assuming that I'm jumping to conclusions.
 
JGS said:
I don't know how much money he's worth, but if he has a sex drive, the sudden fame to match up with it, plus a bit of a kink fetish, then that would all add up to him sleeping with two girls who thought they could get something out of him.

This happens a lot more often than the CIA staging 2 one night stands for a pretty harmless guy. Even if the site itself is dangerous to the CIA, it would continue in his absence, so a conspiracy does nothing and seems unlikely to me. But anythings possible...

Plus people are both saying that the CIA is responsible for this pretty elaborate scheme but also too stupid to pull it together which seems odd to me as well.
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I think it's more like, some people are arguing that the CIA could do a lot worse if they wanted to, that this was messy - and then others point to the consistent fuck ups in the past by the CIA. (Just to be clear, I don't know if it's the CIA, or just the girls, or if he didn't actually rape them, right now I am personally leaning towards his innocence, but I don't know who to blame).
 
For the sake of argument, lets assume this isn't true, if he is able to get himself acquitted of these allegations, he will be on every news network using it as proof of "the powers that be" trying to smear him and assuming the security forces were not the ones behind this, it regardless smears their image ironically and only strengthens his.

*puts on Tin foil hat*

Maybe this is a set-up by WikiLeaks itself to achieve just that.
 
Pickles the Firecat said:
If it makes you feel any better, I'm sure you have a much better reason for jumping to your conclusions than those people.

All I'm saying is there are plenty of non-History Channel investigatory explanations for this. Such as what JGS and a few others have suggested: money-hungry women. Or, you know, that he's a rapist. We should at least consider those before implicating national governments.
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So what you are saying is, we shouldn't consider a government influence in all of this? First of all, we're all just bullshitting here, none of us has any say in this situation so it really shouldn't matter what we say. Second of all.

1. He has seriously pissed of the U.S. government, like... really pissed them off. He also has more info that would probably piss them off more that he's holding onto.

2. The U.S. government (as do a lot of governments) have a history of pulling all sorts of shit like assassinations, both character and bodily. If there would ever be a situation where they would want to do so, wouldn't this one be prime?
 
Kinitari said:
So what you are saying is, we shouldn't consider a government influence in all of this? First of all, we're all just bullshitting here, none of us has any say in this situation so it really shouldn't matter what we say. Second of all.

1. He has seriously pissed of the U.S. government, like... really pissed them off. He also has more info that would probably piss them off more that he's holding onto.

2. The U.S. government (as do a lot of governments) have a history of pulling all sorts of shit like assassinations, both character and bodily. If there would ever be a situation where they would want to do so, wouldn't this one be prime?
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Not just the US, but nearly any government involved in Afganisthan. On top of that, Assange/Wikileaks has made a lot of enemies that could find this moment incredibly convenient to get even. One could argue that there are higher chances of someone trying to stick Assange up for good than him being a rapist.
 
Kinitari said:
So what you are saying is, we shouldn't consider a government influence in all of this? First of all, we're all just bullshitting here, none of us has any say in this situation so it really shouldn't matter what we say. Second of all.

1. He has seriously pissed of the U.S. government, like... really pissed them off. He also has more info that would probably piss them off more that he's holding onto.

2. The U.S. government (as do a lot of governments) have a history of pulling all sorts of shit like assassinations, both character and bodily. If there would ever be a situation where they would want to do so, wouldn't this one be prime?
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It is most certainly possible that the US government is behind this. It is way more likely that those two other possibilities, which happen all of the time, are the truth behind this. I would not be that shocked to hear this operation was masterminded by US intelligence, but the amount of people outright dismissing his guilt or their possibly whorishness...come on.
 
I just read the interview with one of the women in Aftonbladet. All I can say is that her comments are worded like a press release.
 
Pickles the Firecat said:
It is most certainly possible the US government is behind this. It is way more likely that those two other possibilities, which happen all of the time, are the truth behind this. I would not be that shocked to hear this operation was masterminded by US intelligence, but the amount of people outright dismissing his guilt or their possibly whorishness...come on.
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I agree with you there, if all of a sudden a lot of evidence comes to light highlighting his stupid raping spree, given no other alternative I am not just going to put my faith in him. Some might argue that the Swedish government is in on the coverup, and planted the evidence or something but... bah at that point you just slide into tinfoil hat territory - hopefully whatever comes out of all this is honest and clear.
 
WanderingWind said:
Oh, please. If the government wanted Assange gone, they would have done so at the first whisper of him having classified documents. We wouldn't even know the guys name. There is no chance this is a CIA plot. Perhaps some outside country or secondary corporation new to this sort of thing, but if the CIA had wanted him gone, then world wouldn't even know he ever drew breath on this planet.
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I think you have a romanticised, inflated opinion on the competence of the American [and indeed *all*] intelligence agencies.
 
well i guess will be seeing less public appearances from this guy if it is a setup lets hope he gets mad and just starts releasing shit like crazy
 
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Do the prosecutors have to disclose what made them make this very public accusation, and withdraw it within hours?

Even outside of the wider Wikileaks context, something is really wrong with this alone.
 
JGS said:
Plus people are both saying that the CIA is responsible for this pretty elaborate scheme but also too stupid to pull it together which seems odd to me as well.
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There's nothing elaborate about it at all (and it doesn't have to be CIA in any event). I have read many declassified intelligence documents. Some, if not most, of the propaganda campaigns you read about are incredibly stupid--including the bombing of American cities. You seriously have to wonder who the idiots are who come up with these schemes.

But, in this case, the job has already been accomplished, if that is in fact what it is (and there is already evidence that is what it is, since the US has previously expressed its intent to run a campaign to discredit Wikileaks). The object of the scheme would not be to get rid of Assange, but to tarnish his image and discredit him amongst Americans. Regardless of what happens from here out, mission has already been accomplished.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/top/all/7163991.html
 
fastford58 said:
I would love to discover that this whole thing was a big CIA trap or something of similar nature. It would be delicious.
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maybe we'll know for sure in 50 years. CIA has done worse things than framing one guy so i wouldn't be surprised.

and seriously, i think people are underestimating how big of a threat Assange and WikiLeaks are to the greatest superpower on Earth.. he's not just some dude with media attention. him and his organization are the biggest source of classified information leaks EVER, in the history of mankind. you can bet the USA and pretty much all countries of the world are genuinely scared of WikiLeaks, and the effect the leaks can have on the behavior of the masses (the great slumbering beast).
 
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