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[Joe Shlabotnik]

An entire organization that is meant to be impartial blatantly favoring one campaign over another is a story

I don't think we'll see any emails saying they "rigged" anything but whatever has yet to come out will also reinforce that story.

Literally 90% of this thread is ignoring the story and saying "but Putin, but Wikileaks, but Trump, but Bernie bros" instead

It's not meant to be impartial.

They surely preferred Clinton in 2008 until Obama proved himself to be a better organized candidate. LIke, this whole story already happened before except with someone strong enough to defeat Clinton in the primary.

 

[Torokil]

DNC may not be so boring after all!

 

[SilentRacoon]

So victim blaming?

Good on you and Wikileaks to divert blame for possible identify theft.

Show real character and priorities.

The donors trusted the DNC to keep their data secure, they failed to do so due to their incompetence, how is that victim blaming?

If a foriegn intelligence agency, that our intelligence agencies have stated is looking to influence elections and politics, releases documents online, whats the reason?

Further, how can you be sure they are accurate and not dishonest, and not shady tactics.

How do you know positive Bernie discussion were not scrubbed? How do you know all the emails are legitimate and none have been tampered with?

A foriegn national is trying to influence an election. FULL STOP.

To me that seems issue number 1 here, and a reason to be cautious on claims about what this is and is not.

I agree, although I'm still a bit skeptical about the claims, I mean isn't state-sponsored hacking activities in another country considered an act of war, specially one such as this trying to influence the outcome of the presidential election. But here I'm wondering why haven't we had an official statement about the topic, surely the magnitude of the incident guarantees major steps to be taken.

 

[googleplex]

No, he lost due to running a shit campaign - and the fact that the DNC was colluding with his opponent because they didn't like him or his campaign manager and party politics aren't too dissimilar from high school politics

So you making shit up. OK got it.

 

[Palette Swap]

They were responsible for the personal data leak, that's all on them for not handling such sensitive data more aptly, that's all on them.

So you're comfortable saying the people who chose to steal these emails and the ones who chose to publish them unedited are entirely blameless?

 

[Plum]

This is exactly what Trump wants. He knows that all the incompetence and scandal in the world couldn't stop his voters from voting for him so the possibility that this might make some Clinton voters either not vote or, better yet, switch sides, is probably music to his ears.

Not saying we should ignore this but you've got to ask yourself: who would you rather have as the leader of the free world; someone whose party has biases and shit email protection or someone whose a literal danger to a lot of people's wellbeings who has shown no competence whatsoever?

 

[Armaros]

So you're comfortable saying the people who chose to steal these emails and the ones who chose to publish them unedited are entirely blameless?

Amazing isn't it?

Just a one step rationalization of the doxxing and then back to the attacking the DNC.

 

[FunkyMunkey]

DNC may not be so boring after all!

"impartiality" that they should all have towards an independent running under the guise of being a democrat? yes, they should have ceded all demands towards bernie and his campaign all because he wrapped himself in the democratic party's cloak for an advantage

 

[balladofwindfishes]

DNC may not be so boring after all!

Nobody will remember this is a thing by next week.

 

[Armaros]

"impartiality" that they should all have towards an independent running under the guise of being a democrat? yes, they should have ceded all demands towards bernie and his campaign all because he wrapped himself in the democratic party's cloak for an advantage

They also should have propped his campagin with support when they were flailing around and attacking the DNC on multiple occasions.

 

[dave is ok]

It's not meant to be impartial.

They surely preferred Clinton in 2008 until Obama proved himself to be a better organized candidate. LIke, this whole story already happened before except with someone strong enough to defeat Clinton in the primary.

In the conduct and management of the affairs and procedures of the Democratic National Committee, particularly as they apply to the preparation and conduct of the Presidential nomination process, the Chairperson shall exercise impartiality and evenhandedness as between the Presidential candidates and campaigns. The Chairperson shall be responsible for ensuring that the national officers and staff of the Democratic National Committee maintain impartiality and evenhandedness during the Democratic Party Presidential nominating process.

Sure seems like it is

 

[Darryl M R]

I'm still waiting for my sHillary check.

Also what good will these leaks do besides put people personal information out there? I do not need someone to expose the DNC to understand that they did not favor Bernie Sanders, for multiple reasons.

"impartiality" that they should all have towards an independent running under the guise of being a democrat? yes, they should have ceded all demands towards bernie and his campaign all because he wrapped himself in the democratic party's cloak for an advantage

Honestly how doesn't this get called out more often. Bernie jumped ship just to get an advantage being in one of the two leading parties. That's understandable because he did not want to try to push a third party this term, but let's not pretend that DNC would not see him as an opportunist that would dismantled what they have built--and hey it seems like Democrats are alright with the DNC.

 

[SilentRacoon]

So you're comfortable saying the people who chose to steal these emails and the ones who chose to publish them unedited are entirely blameless?

Of course not.

 

[googleplex]

"impartiality" that they should all have towards an independent running under the guise of being a democrat? yes, they should have ceded all demands towards bernie and his campaign all because he wrapped himself in the democratic party's cloak for an advantage

Not to mention that Bernie spent a rather large part of his campaign attacking the DNC and any Democrats that didn't bow down and kiss his ring. As the one and only true progressive.

Why in the fuck would the DNC want him? But guess what? They went above and beyond to Help Bernie when his campaign keep dropping balls.

Despite the way Bernie and his surrogate ruthlessly attacked Hillary in way that would make Rush Limbaugh blush. She went out and of her way to remain curious and congratulatory towards him at ever step of the way.

But none of that is enough to satisfy the ego of Bernie or his supporters.

 

[royalan]

"Hacked"

More like had access to due to the DNCs incompetence.

They thought this warning was worth ignoring:
http://m.imgur.com/a/Lcbbl

You mean when he tried to get Hillary to do the monthly debates she agreed to and the DNC wrote "lol" about his request in email?

Well you're in luck, you'll soon have thousands and thousands of emails that paint the full story for you, thanks Putin!

Of course to you, Hillary was preordained and Bernie should have never ran in the first place so any resistance he met with from the DNC was his own fault for being so bold as to challenge her.

They spoofed Clinton campaign login credentials at the precise moment they new the firewall protecting the data would be down. So yes, "hacked" is exactly the term you use for what Sanders' campaign did. You don't get to go into someone's house and take their shit just because the door is unlocked.

The only debate Hillary didn't participate in was the final one, in California. And why should she have? The primaries were already handily decided by the point (Hillary was ahead by hundreds of pledged delegates and literally millions of votes). Just because Bernie wanted to pretend otherwise and waste people's money does not mean everyone else was obligated to play along.

If this is all you can come up with to demonstrate how bias the DNC was in handling the primaries, then you have failed, utterly and completely, to prove your point.

 

[Palette Swap]

Of course not.

I guess we have different understandings of "that's all on them" then.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

Sure seems like it is

Impartial as in "not sabotage anyone's candidacy", sure. Which, they didn't.

Impartial as in "vast majority of party members not having a preference".. not so much.

Again, this just happened eight years ago.

 

[dave is ok]

The only debate Hillary didn't participate in was the final one, in California. And why should she have?

Because she agreed to? Going back on agreements isn't a great quality in a world leader

If this is ll you can come up with to demonstrate how bias the DNC was in handling the primaries, then you have failed, utterly and completely, to prove your point.

The New York Times among many other reputable news organizations are saying the same thing.

 

[TyrantII]

I agree, although I'm still a bit skeptical about the claims, I mean isn't state-sponsored hacking activities in another country considered an act of war, specially one such as this trying to influence the outcome of the presidential election. But here I'm wondering why haven't we had an official statement about the topic, surely the magnitude of the incident guarantees major steps to be taken.

The Russians just bombed a base the CIA/Spec ops were using in Libia this week. "SORRY, IUR BAD, FOG OF WAR".

Act of war doesn't mean go directly to Armageddon, especially when talking about nuclear world powers.

Well, unless Trump is in office.

 

[royalan]

Because she agreed to? Going back on agreements isn't a great quality in a world leader.

So's theft.

 

[Hindl]

Because she agreed to? Going back on agreements isn't a great quality in a world leader

The New York Times among many other reputable news organizations are saying the same thing.

The NYT article is a clickbait headline, the actual article just says what everyone else is saying in this thread. Individual people floated ideas, and they were repeatedly shot down. So still no evidence. Provide quotes in that article that directly correlate to actions the DNC took. Them having a preference but not acting on it isn't corruption.

 

[sangreal]

I'm shocked to learn that polticiial activists have political leanings

 

[Armaros]

The NYT article is a clickbait headline, the actual article just says what everyone else is saying in this thread. Individual people floated ideas, and they were repeatedly shot down. So still no evidence. Provide quotes in that article that directly correlate to actions the DNC took. Them having a preference but not acting on it isn't corruption.

That requires people to read articles and not randomly produce titles as evidence when the content says something else.

 

[Loudninja]

How is this not theft?

This is not small stuff either this can do some serious damage to people lives.

 

[sangreal]

How is this not theft?

This is not small stuff either this can do some serious damage to people lives.

It's okay as long as you call it leaked instead of stolen

 

[qcf x2]

Nobody will remember this is a thing by next week.

lol

 

[King Tubby]

In terms of concrete actions taken to favor one campaign over the other during the primary, the only evidence I've seen provided or hinted in these emails is dealing with the media to get positive coverage of Hillary/negative coverage of Bernie, from bouncing the ball on getting Sanders' religion to become an issue (which doesn't seem to have happened) to journalists reaching out to the DNC for input on stories, some of which doesn't seem to be appropriate at least from what some outlets (like Washington Post) are saying. Not being a journalist, I don't know how appropriate or common that really is; I recognize that there's always some political sausage making going on behind the scenes between media and campaigns, but I don't expect journalists to literally request suggestions on how to word parts of their puff pieces. Naive or not, if you're supporting a candidate like Bernie this shakes your faith in the process.

Also talking about the animosity between DNC heads and Sanders justifying their remarks behind the scenes (or potential actions against him) seems rather chicken-or-the-egg.

 

[GYODX]

Truth hurts.

Which is why Hillary Gaf is in full on damage control ITT.

You can keep shrugging it off, but this will almost certainly hurt the DNC, and by extension, Hillary.

 

[Officerrob]

Which is why Hillary Gaf is in full on damage control ITT.

You can keep shrugging it off, but this will almost certainly hurt the DNC, and by extension, Hillary.

I'm working overtime on damage control, the DNC better be paying me extra

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Which is why Hillary Gaf is in full on damage control ITT.

You can keep shrugging it off, but this will almost certainly hurt the DNC, and by extension, Hillary.

I don't give a fuck about Hillary Clinton, I care about Donald Trump not ruining people's lives.

 

[Armaros]

Which is why Hillary Gaf is in full on damage control ITT.

You can keep shrugging it off, but this will almost certainly hurt the DNC, and by extension, Hillary.

Then I guess my earlier point is true as well then.

BernieOrBusters believe doxxing is palatable if it hurts the people they don't like.

That is how this is being set up again right? Bernie vs Hillary ala primary again?

 

[luxarific]

Which is why Hillary Gaf is in full on damage control ITT.

You can keep shrugging it off, but this will almost certainly hurt the DNC, and by extension, Hillary.

You live in your own little reality bubble.

 

[sangreal]

Which is why Hillary Gaf is in full on damage control ITT.

You can keep shrugging it off, but this will almost certainly hurt the DNC, and by extension, Hillary.

Nobody has any respect to the DNC to begin with. Or the RNC for that matter. How does this hurt Hillary?

 

[royalan]

In terms of concrete actions taken to favor one campaign over the other during the primary, the only evidence I've seen provided or hinted in these emails is dealing with the media to get positive coverage of Hillary/negative coverage of Bernie, from bouncing the ball on getting Sanders' religion to become an issue (which doesn't seem to have happened) to journalists reaching out to the DNC for input on stories, some of which doesn't seem to be appropriate at least from what some outlets (like Washington Post) are saying. Not being a journalist, I don't know how appropriate or common that really is; I recognize that there's always some political sausage making going on behind the scenes between media and campaigns, but I don't expect journalists to literally request suggestions on how to word parts of their puff pieces. Naive or not, if you're supporting a candidate like Bernie this shakes your faith in the process.

Also talking about the animosity between DNC heads and Sanders justifying their remarks behind the scenes (or potential actions against him) seems rather chicken-or-the-egg.

A lot of the emails are from April-May. The primaries were well over by this point and the Republicans were quickly unifying. The DNC was well within their right to start maneuvering behind the candidate that would clearly be the nominee and being miffed at the candidate that wouldn't concede despite being defeated and kept crying foul at everything.

 

[GYODX]

Then I guess my earlier point is true as well.

BernieOrBusters believe doxxing is palatable if it hurts the people they don't like.

I'm not Bernie or bust.

 

[thefro]

How is this not theft?

This is not small stuff either this can do some serious damage to people lives.

Legally it's clearly a crime to hack someone's server.

The fact that they didn't scrub the e-mails of SSN's and CC numbers means they aren't taking the moral high ground and that Wikileaks didn't do this in an ethical fashion.

 

[jack_package_200]

I'll mirror what others have already said in these emails not being a good look but also that there is no smoking gun here. That Bernie Narrative DWS email shows how much of a disorganized mess the Bernie campaign was.

Besides this very clearly was an attempt by the Russian government to undermine a presidential candidate through releasing these emails. There is an agenda here.

 

[GaimeGuy]

IS there any proof to this claim? I have seen it thrown around all thread but still haven't seen anything backing up such claims...

Sine people in this thread already responded to you with sources about trump's campaign manager and the hack, let me summarize the verified facts for you:

We know that the so-called "Hillary leaks" are the result of a DNC hack by russian government backed hackers.

We know that Donald Trump's campaign manager used to work for Putin as the campaign manager of his presidential candidate (in russia).

We also know that Trump's recent comments about NATO benefit Putin's imperialistic goals to gain eastern european territory more than anyone else in the world, and that Trump (and the GOP) have a huge hardon for Putin.


The proof is in the other posts which quoted and replied to you: I'm just summarizing them.

 

[excelsiorlef]

It's amazing how much effort certain people on this thread decry the supposed 'corruption' of the DNC not liking Bernie, and don't even bat an eye lash against the blatant doxxing of DNC doners personal information.

Like I said many of these people gleefully sifting through all these stolen emails for anything that reinforces their conspiracy theory are the same people who think Clinton's e-mail thing was criminal.

They want someone in jail for not doing something criminal while profiting gleefully off something that is.

 

[DietRob]

How did this turn into a Bernie Sanders thread? I thought we could finally be done talking about him. He lost. We really need to move past this and unify against the sociopath we are running against.

They hypocrisy of digging through illegally obtained emails to prop up your guy is pretty ironic too. Let's move past this and make sure we have a country for Bernie 2.0 to run another campaign in.

 

[excelsiorlef]

How did this turn into a Bernie Sanders thread? I thought we could finally be done talking about him. He lost. We really need to move past this and unify against the sociopath we are running against.

They hypocrisy of digging through illegally obtained emails to prop up your guy is pretty ironic too. Let's move past this and make sure we have a country for Bernie 2.0 to run another campaign in.

Because some people want to feel justified in staying home and paving the way for American fascism.

 

[remist]

Like I said many of these people gleefully sifting through all these stolen emails for anything that reinforces their conspiracy theory are the same people who think Clinton's e-mail thing was criminal.

They want someone in jail for not doing something criminal while profiting gleefully off something that is.

This is absurd. Whoever hacked the DNC should face the consequences for it, but that doesn't mean that the information that has been leaked is not newsworthy or that anyone who publishes it or comments on it is supporting criminal activity. I mean there is no logical connection between the two things you are trying to turn into a hypocritical contradiction.

 

[thefro]

Because some people want to feel justified in staying home and paving the way for American fascism.

That and we need the left all pulling in the same direction to fight Trump and a lot of his supporters' bullshit.

I understand why people are mad. I gave money to Howard Dean in 2004 and was pissed that the media turned on him after he said he would break up the big media companies on "Hardball" and then covered "The Scream" horribly and acted like the guy was the biggest liberal ever when he was a pragmatic mainstream Democrat on a lot of things besides the Iraq War. I didn't stay home and disengage or undercut Kerry online. Volunteering for Obama in 08 and donating later paid off. Still a long way to go but we're headed in the right direction on a lot of things and I would like that to continue.

 

[GYODX]

This is absurd. Whoever hacked the DNC should face the consequences for it, but that doesn't mean that the information that has been leaked is not newsworthy or that anyone who publishes it or comments on it is supporting criminal activity. I mean there is no logical connection between the two things you are trying to turn into a hypocritical contradiction.

Not to mention that there's a difference between emails that contain sensitive information pertaining to national security and some private emails from the DNC.

 

[remist]

How did this turn into a Bernie Sanders thread? I thought we could finally be done talking about him. He lost. We really need to move past this and unify against the sociopath we are running against.

They hypocrisy of digging through illegally obtained emails to prop up your guy is pretty ironic too. Let's move past this and make sure we have a country for Bernie 2.0 to run another campaign in.

This is partially a Bernie thread because the biggest piece of news from this leak is that members of the DNC were actively coming up with plans to damage Bernie's campaign. We wouldn't have to be talking about Bernie if the DNC had actually attempted to be impartial like they claim. How you can try to blame this on Bernie supporters is beyond me.

 

[Armaros]

Not to mention that there's a difference between emails that contain sensitive information pertaining to national security and some private emails from the DNC.

More rationalization of doxxing~

Round and round it goes , where it will stop, nobody knows.

 

[davepoobond]

No, he lost due to running a shit campaign - and the fact that the DNC was colluding with his opponent because they didn't like him or his campaign manager and party politics aren't too dissimilar from high school politics

Yeah all of those black people were colluding with the DNC too


Get over yourself. Seriously. DNC members are allowed to have opinions, it is the actions they actually take that matters, and there was nothing they did that impeded Bernie that you are implying.

 

[King Tubby]

How did this turn into a Bernie Sanders thread? I thought we could finally be done talking about him. He lost. We really need to move past this and unify against the sociopath we are running against.

The newsworthiness of these leaks lies in large part with alleged revelations of DNC collusion with the Clinton campaign against Sanders during the primaries.

 

[Crisco]

This dude on MSNBC harping on the wikileaks has an appropriate last name.

 

[excelsiorlef]

This is absurd. Whoever hacked the DNC should face the consequences for it, but that doesn't mean that the information that has been leaked is not newsworthy or that anyone who publishes it or comments on it is supporting criminal activity. I mean there is no logical connection between the two things you are trying to turn into a hypocritical contradiction.

One of the biggest things was Clinton is a criminal because hackers might steal information and release it and that would be a horrible thing...

Never happened though.

But it did here! Actual Russian hackers with intentions to destabilize a critical election have actually stolen data and Wikileaks dumped it all without any concern for privacy and safety and now y'all are excited and enthusiastically digging through it for anything that "proves" your conspiracy.

You are celebrating Russians actually doing what you condemned Clinton for potentially but not actually enabling.