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[sangreal]

The newsworthiness of these leaks lies in large part with alleged revelations of DNC collusion with the Clinton campaign against Sanders during the primaries.

Which email shows collusion with the clinton campaign?

 

[DietRob]

This is partially a Bernie thread because the biggest piece of news from this leak is that members of the DNC were actively coming up with plans to damage Bernie's campaign. We wouldn't have to be talking about Bernie if the DNC had actually attempted to be impartial like they claim. How you can try to blame this on Bernie supporters is beyond me.

Were these plans to damage Sanders campaign made before or after Bernie made the turn in his campaign away from his policies and towards attacking the DNC leadership and presumptive nominee?

Also please provide the receipts for your accusations. Now you should have access to them right? The problem before was people saying this without any way of knowing. Now that you have a way of knowing surely you can provide the receipts, right?

 

[NYCmetsfan]

This dude on MSNBC harping on the wikileaks has an appropriate last name.

Lol

 

[dave is ok]

Which email shows collusion with the clinton campaign?

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/8351

 

[sangreal]

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/8351

I don't think you know what collusion means

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/756804886038192128



https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/756853788577792000

what in the fuck...

:I




Like this one better:

 

[Y2Kev]

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/8351

Where is the...collusion?

 

[remist]

One of the biggest things was Clinton is a criminal because hackers might steal information and release it and that would be a horrible thing...

Never happened though.

But it did here! Actual Russian hackers with intentions to destabilize a critical election have actually stolen data and Wikileaks dumped it all without any concern for privacy and safety and now y'all are excited and enthusiastically digging through it for anything that "proves" your conspiracy.

You are celebrating Russians actually doing what you condemned Clinton for potentially but not actually enabling.

LOL. The hacking of the DNC was wrong. The release of this information without removing information from private individuals is wrong. The journalists and people that are reporting on this and discussing it have no connection to those to things, You are making no logical sense.

 

[B-Dubs]

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/8351

You mean the point at which she knocked Bernie out but he refused to see his road was impossible? Check the date dude, that was after NY and Bernie's path was up in flames.

Also, where's the collusion?

 

[davepoobond]

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/8351

I'm not seeing collusion. Provide a quote.

 

[mlclmtckr]

The outraged people in this thread don't even sound old enough to vote, seriously.

Either come up with some actual evidence of the DNC actually doing anything to make Clinton win, or get over it. People have opinions. Party establishments have favored candidates.

Seriously, what material difference did this 'bias' make? Or are your feelings just hurt?

 

[diaspora]

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/8351

But... where's the collusion there?

 

[Effect]

So these emails show that some in the DNC preferred Hillary (over 30 years of being a member of the democratic party and working with these people) or were talking about things that might be possible or they could do but not any proof they did anything against Sanders?

People do understand that Sanders would have still lost right?

That it was the Sanders campaign that made the decision to handled the southern states the way they did?

That no one made the demographics the way they were in the states?

That the DNC didn't put Hillary in the spotlight for years or make her well known?

Do some people think the DNC made people not agree with Bernie's stances after all the extra debates?

They do know that the DNC still supported Sanders even after he directly attacked them over and over again as the campaign went on?

So what exactly are people upset about? That those in the DNC actually had a preference but still didn't do anything against Sanders?

 

[King Tubby]

Which email shows collusion with the clinton campaign?

There is a whole lot of smoke w/r/t the DNC coming up with narratives or considering ways to massage the press for positive stories on Hillary/negative stories on Bernie.

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/8351

I was a bit confused by this email at first, but it's not actually anything the DNC is saying, they are recapping a news segment. The FNS in the subject I assume stands for Fox News Segment, asterisks are questions and o's are answers.

 

[mlclmtckr]

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/8351

This is seriously Gamergate-level "I am in my early teens and I'm trying to seem like I know anything about professional ethics" stupidity.

 

[diaspora]

This is seriously Gamergate-level "I am in my early teens and I'm trying to seem like I know anything about professional ethics" stupidity.

It's about ethics in emails.

 

[pigeon]

Here's a little bit on the connection of this dump with Russian intelligence services.

Let's review the question of Russian intelligence's involvement in these leaks, which seems controversial to some.

1)Once the DNC uncovered the hacked, it hired a top-shelf firm called Crowd Strike to conduct a forensic review. https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...f006cb4-316e-11e6-8ff7-7b6c1998b7a0_story.htm

2) Crowd Strike traced the hack back to groups called Cozy Bear and Fancy Bear.

3) Cozy Bear and Fancy Bear are long time affiliates of Russian intelligence. Crowd Strike report explains here. https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democratic-national-committee/ …

4) Can we say that they were working on behalf of Russia with certainty? This is murky by nature. But there's a long, clear history.

5) What's the alternative theory? A Romanian hacker called Guccifer 2.0 claims credit for the hack.

6) But @VICE pretty much shredded his credibility. https://t.co/56JQAZ8zxp

7) @VICE spoke to Guccifer via email--and seemed pretty unconvinced by his Romanian skills.

8) Also Guccifer called requests to speak in Romanian "a waste of time"

9) Furthermore all the metadata on the DNC docs is in Russian.

10) And consider Julian Assange's history with the Kremlin--he steered Snowden to Russian, he hosted RT show, etc https://t.co/OW95LiFqjb

11) For the record, I don't like what Wikileaks uncovered at the DNC. It should aspire to neutrality in a primary.

12) But the DNC hardly determined the fate of the election. And Sanders people should push for reforms, while not exaggerating the facts.

13)My attempt to explain the leaks and Putin's grand strategy in narrative form is here. https://t.co/CE9nVZ9CN8

 

[dave is ok]

Almost every mention of Sanders and his campaign is negative and every mention of HFA is how help them

I understand this was during some bad blood but for to claim they see nothing off is ridiculous

Edit: and predictably, being called a gamergater. Never change, GAF

 

[DietRob]

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/8351

LOL.

Is this the best you can come up with? You can do better, right? Surely you can.

o Most of our candidates are focused on achieving same goal, if either is president, they would build on Obama's success
o Both candidates have talked about making sure success reaches the middle class

Almost every mention of Sanders and his campaign is negative and every mention of HFA is how help them

I understand this was during some bad blood but for to claim they see nothing off is ridiculous

Show us.

 

[davepoobond]

Almost every mention of Sanders and his campaign is negative and every mention of HFA is how help them

I understand this was during some bad blood but for to claim they see nothing off is ridiculous

Edit: and predictably, being called a gamergater. Never change, GAF

COLLUSION

 

[metalslimer]

Almost every mention of Sanders and his campaign is negative and every mention of HFA is how help them

I understand this was during some bad blood but for to claim they see nothing off is ridiculous

Edit: and predictably, being called a gamergater. Never change, GAF

You can say they preferred one (which anyone with a brain could tell you even before this), but that's not what collusion means

 

[diaspora]

Almost every mention of Sanders and his campaign is negative and every mention of HFA is how help them

I understand this was during some bad blood but for to claim they see nothing off is ridiculous

Edit: and predictably, being called a gamergater. Never change, GAF

Show me the collusion, you've pointed a link where people are stating opinions to each other.

 

[dave is ok]

Show us.

Everything that gets posted invariably leads to:

1. But the Russians are doing this to HURT Hillary and HELP Trump

2. Of course DWS hates Bernie! He hates her!

3. His campaign was over by the time these emails were sent so they had no obligation to remain neutral

There isn't going to be any convincing GAFs Democratic Party die hards, regardless of what comes out later today or tomorrow or the day after

 

[davepoobond]

i really want to see collusion. where is the collusion

its my collusion and i want it NOW!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX0fIi3H-es

 

[AntoneM]

Everything that gets posted invariably leads to:

1. But the Russians are doing this to HURT Hillary and HELP Trump

2. Of course DWS hates Bernie! He hates her!

3. His campaign was over by the time these emails were sent so they had no obligation to remain neutral

There isn't going to be any convincing GAFs Democratic Party die hards, regardless of what comes out later today or tomorrow or the day after

I'm pretty sure proof of collusion would be convincing enough.

 

[Valhelm]

Not to seem prejudiced, but is it possible these Russian hackers were Putin-allied?

Putin's government is salivating over the possibility of a Trump election, and Russian meddling in Western politics is pretty well-known. Most far-right parties in Europe have connections to Moscow, and I wouldn't be surprised if this hack was meant to hurt the Democrats tactically.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Not to seem prejudiced, but is it possible these Russian hackers were Putin-allied?

Putin's government is salivating over the possibility of a Trump election, and Russian meddling in Western politics is pretty well-known. Most far-right parties in Europe have connections to Moscow, and I wouldn't be surprised if this hack was meant to hurt the Democrats tactically.

More like probable

 

[jack_package_200]

Not to seem prejudiced, but is it possible these Russian hackers were Putin-allied?

Putin's government is salivating over the possibility of a Trump election, and Russian meddling in Western politics is pretty well-known. Most far-right parties in Europe have connections to Moscow, and I wouldn't be surprised if this hack was meant to hurt the Democrats tactically.

I think its certainly possible and likely.

 

[kirblar]

Here's a little bit on the connection of this dump with Russian intelligence services.

Ha, you beat me to this.

Everything that gets posted invariably leads to:

1. But the Russians are doing this to HURT Hillary and HELP Trump

This one isn't hyperbole.

 

[Crossing Eden]

Everything that gets posted invariably leads to:

1. But the Russians are doing this to HURT Hillary and HELP Trump

2. Of course DWS hates Bernie! He hates her!

3. His campaign was over by the time these emails were sent so they had no obligation to remain neutral

There isn't going to be any convincing GAFs Democratic Party die hards, regardless of what comes out later today or tomorrow or the day after

No that's not happening here. You accused the DNC of collusion with Hillary, used a link that absolutely in no way shape or form proved it, yet doubled down on said link, and now people are asking for examples.

 

[dave is ok]

I'm pretty sure proof of collusion would be convincing enough.

There won't be some smoking gun of unimpeachable collusion between Hillary herself and the DNC will be shown but it's pretty clear from what's already been released that everyone in the DNC were very concerned with how to make HFA look good and make Sanders fail. They were supposed to be a neutral party in this. They clearly weren't

 

[DietRob]

Everything that gets posted invariably leads to:

1. But the Russians are doing this to HURT Hillary and HELP Trump

2. Of course DWS hates Bernie! He hates her!

3. His campaign was over by the time these emails were sent so they had no obligation to remain neutral

There isn't going to be any convincing GAFs Democratic Party die hards, regardless of what comes out later today or tomorrow or the day after

If you are able to prove your up to this point 'gut feeling' then I'm sure many here would be willing to listen. What you offered up earlier wasn't anywhere close to 'collusion' so people rightfully called you out on it.

 

[diaspora]

There won't be some smoking gun of unimpeachable collusion between Hillary herself and the DNC will be shown but it's pretty clear from what's already been released that everyone in the DNC were very concerned with how to make HFA look good and make Sanders fail. They were supposed to be a neutral party in this. They clearly weren't

So, you admit there's no collusion then.

 

[kirblar]

Not to seem prejudiced, but is it possible these Russian hackers were Putin-allied?

Putin's government is salivating over the possibility of a Trump election, and Russian meddling in Western politics is pretty well-known. Most far-right parties in Europe have connections to Moscow, and I wouldn't be surprised if this hack was meant to hurt the Democrats tactically.

It's not just possible, it's almost certainly what's going on.

 

[excelsiorlef]

There won't be some smoking gun of unimpeachable collusion between Hillary herself and the DNC will be shown but it's pretty clear from what's already been released that everyone in the DNC were very concerned with how to make HFA look good and make Sanders fail. They were supposed to be a neutral party in this. They clearly weren't

So there won't be any actual proof but that's not necessary anyways because clearly the conspiracy is real...

 

[Y2Kev]

Everything that gets posted invariably leads to:

1. But the Russians are doing this to HURT Hillary and HELP Trump

2. Of course DWS hates Bernie! He hates her!

3. His campaign was over by the time these emails were sent so they had no obligation to remain neutral

There isn't going to be any convincing GAFs Democratic Party die hards, regardless of what comes out later today or tomorrow or the day after

I think 1 is actually true though.

 

[dave is ok]

I think 1 is actually true though.

It most likely is, but it doesn't mean what's leaked shouldn't be looked at or discussed, which is how a lot of posters are treating it.

 

[Prinz Eugn]

Not to seem prejudiced, but is it possible these Russian hackers were Putin-allied?

Putin's government is salivating over the possibility of a Trump election, and Russian meddling in Western politics is pretty well-known. Most far-right parties in Europe have connections to Moscow, and I wouldn't be surprised if this hack was meant to hurt the Democrats tactically.

Why would Putin want to help elect such a truly great strong, handsome, and very smart candidate?

 

[aeolist]

i don't think anyone here is in love with DWS or the DNC, clearly the party has problems with internal politics and organization. that's obvious in the simple fact that republicans control most state legislatures and governor seats, both houses of congress, and until scalia died had the majority on the supreme court for longer than i've been alive.

that doesn't mean there was a conspiracy or collusion, and it definitely doesn't mean it was OK to leak stuff like this especially when it's pretty clearly being orchestrated by a hostile foreign government in order to push a fascist demagogue on us.

 

[Y2Kev]

It most likely is, but it doesn't mean what's leaked shouldn't be looked at or discussed, which is how a lot of posters are treating it.

Oh, sure. I take the following to be true:

1) DWS is trash
2) The DNC wanted Hillary
3) Some DNC staffers said some really bad things about Bernie

But I guess what I want then is a) DWS to go away (she will be soon) and b) those staffers should publicly apologize.

Ya?

 

[remist]

I'm still waiting for the DNC to discipline or at least force DNC CFO Brad Marshall to apologize for his religion baiting bullshit, but that doesn't seem to be forthcoming. If they want us to believe it was just individuals they would take some action instead of tacitly approving it.

 

[EatinOlives]

It most likely is, but it doesn't mean what's leaked shouldn't be looked at or discussed, which is how a lot of posters are treating it.

"I know they just want me to take the bait, but have you SEEN the bait? It's just so juicy and meaty and delicious!"

 

[Officerrob]

i don't think anyone here is in love with DWS or the DNC, clearly the party has problems with internal politics and organization. that's obvious in the simple fact that republicans control most state legislatures and governor seats, both houses of congress, and until scalia died had the majority on the supreme court for longer than i've been alive.

that doesn't mean there was a conspiracy or collusion, and it definitely doesn't mean it was OK to leak stuff like this especially when it's pretty clearly being orchestrated by a hostile foreign government in order to push a fascist demagogue on us.

Every Hillary supporter I know thinks DWS is trash

 

[dave is ok]

Oh, sure. I take the following to be true:

1) DWS is trash
2) The DNC wanted Hillary
3) Some DNC staffers said some really bad things about Bernie

But I guess what I want then is a) DWS to go away (she will be soon) and b) those staffers should publicly apologize.

Ya?

Agreed on all points

DWS has hurt the Democratic Party more than any president could dream to.

 

[KingV]

One of the biggest things was Clinton is a criminal because hackers might steal information and release it and that would be a horrible thing...

Never happened though.

But it did here! Actual Russian hackers with intentions to destabilize a critical election have actually stolen data and Wikileaks dumped it all without any concern for privacy and safety and now y'all are excited and enthusiastically digging through it for anything that "proves" your conspiracy.

You are celebrating Russians actually doing what you condemned Clinton for potentially but not actually enabling.

That's not really hypocrisy. I haven't seen anybody saying its a good thing they the DNC was hacked.

You can both agree that hacking the DNC is wrong and be interested in what the emails contain.

 

[remist]

"I know they just want me to take the bait, but have you SEEN the bait? It's just so juicy and meaty and delicious!"

This is not editorial propaganda from Russia, these are emails that stand on their own regardless of the intent of the people who leaked them. There is nothing wrong with reporting on the information contained within.

 

[TwoDurans]

What I don't get is why people are upset/surprised that the DNC was trying to stop Sanders. He only became a democrat because he knew it was the only way he'd get attention. Of course they were going to protect their interests.

 

[Paskil]

It most likely is, but it doesn't mean what's leaked shouldn't be looked at or discussed, which is how a lot of posters are treating it.

Nobody is saying it shouldn't be discussed. All you've shown us or that has been disseminated from the dump is some favoritism, which again, is obvious. Especially after she had won the primary following Super Tuesday. Show us the collusion so we can discuss it. It might be there but no one in this thread has yet seen anything other than shitty email protocol.

 

[Pyrokai]

FiveThirtyEight now has Ohio and Florida flipped to red for the first time. Is it time to panic yet?

I'm actually in the stage of grief of "acceptance" to be honest. Guess I should accept President Trump and a Supreme Court that will fuck me the rest of my life (and kids, too).

 

[dave is ok]

What I don't get is why people are upset/surprised that the DNC was trying to stop Sanders. He only became a democrat because he knew it was the only way he'd get attention. Of course they were going to protect their interests.

It's not the DNCs job to stop a populist candidate like that. There are delegates and super delegates who vote to either support or stop such an uprising.

The DNC doesn't exist to stop competition between democratic candidates