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[Toxi]

I flat out cannot vote for Democrats after this.

Out of all the objectionable things done by Democrats, talking to each other about how much they don't like Bernie and thinking up terrible plans they never actually enacted should be pretty low on the list.

 

[Spiral Insanity]

Which conspiracy theory? It's in the emails. It's not a theory.

You know what we don't have any conclusive proof about? The 'this is motivated by Russia trying to throw the election' stuff. And even if they are, that still doesn't clear the DNC here. By way of analogy, If my girlfriend's friend was motivated to tell me that my girlfriend was cheating on me because she wanted to break up the relationship, and she had proof, the fact that the person's motivation may have been selfish wouldn't be enough for me to ignore the truth.

I flat out cannot vote for Democrats after this.

Enjoy Trump!

 

[Hylian7]

I really really hope no Sanders voter would vote for Trump just because they are mad at Hillary or the DNC.

I mean, Trumps first act to building his potential presidency was selected someone that is extremely socially conservative. Thats clue enough to show that Trump isn't with the whole "alt right" stuff, and is just clue less about things.

I can't understand how people could possibly vote for Trump. Guy feels like a "joke candidate" to me still to this day, and yet he's real. For reference, Ted Cruz, as nutty as he was, didn't feel like a "joke candidate" to me.

I'm not really crazy about Hillary, and this makes me think even less of her, but I'm still going to vote for just to keep Trump out. Sadly this election isn't about who is the best person for the job, but keeping out who is the worst.

 

[Tarydax]

On a separate note, I wonder if Hillary supporters really think they can bully Hillary refusers into changing their minds.

Under a Trump presidency, minority rights would be trampled upon. Gay marriage would be outlawed and discrimination would be legalized (and Trump would appoint a bunch of Scalia-clones to make it happen). The economy would collapse. Trump would try to force soldiers to violate international law. Our foreign policy would go to hell. If that isn't enough to convince such people to not vote for Clinton, nothing will.

I flat out cannot vote for Democrats after this.

Oh, please.

Don't pretend as though you were ever interested in voting for Clinton in the first place. At least be honest about it.

I really really hope no Sanders voter would vote for Trump just because they are mad at Hillary or the DNC.

If they do that, they were never real Bernie supporters in the first place. Trump is the complete opposite of what Bernie represents, even if they are both anti-establishment candidates.

 

[Chichikov]

You banned him because of that? Wow, talk about misuse of power.

I thought that was a great lengthy post discussing actual findings rather than the usual pandering by other users. He probably mentions the ban since more than 90% of this thread is full of Hillary fanatics, including some of the mods.

Pretty depressing that posters now expect to get banned for a post like this. I think it's a good summary of the issues both within the emails and this thread.

Whats sad is anybody who sees wrong in these emails is immediately chased out of here.

The mod who banned them was even flippant about it. Insane.

May I remind you all that thread whining and/or backseat modding is not acceptable here.
I'm letting this one slide, but shape the fuck up, if you have an issue with moderation, send a PM to mod, we read and discuss every PM we get.

 

[Piecake]

Which conspiracy theory? It's in the emails. It's not a theory.

You know what we don't have any conclusive proof about? The 'this is motivated by Russia trying to throw the election' stuff. And even if they are, that still doesn't clear the DNC here. By way of analogy, If my girlfriend's friend was motivated to tell me that my girlfriend was cheating on me because she wanted to break up the relationship, and she had proof, the fact that the person's motivation may have been selfish wouldn't be enough for me to ignore the truth.

I flat out cannot vote for Democrats after this.

Russian evidence

1. All the other discussions of Trump's finances aside, his debt load has grown dramatically over the last year, from $350 million to $630 million. This is in just one year while his liquid assets have also decreased. Trump has been blackballed by all major US banks.

2. Post-bankruptcy Trump has been highly reliant on money from Russia, most of which has over the years become increasingly concentrated among oligarchs and sub-garchs close to Vladimir Putin.

After his bankruptcy and business failures roughly a decade ago Trump has had an increasingly difficult time finding sources of capital for new investments. As I noted above, Trump has been blackballed by all major US banks with the exception of Deutschebank, which is of course a foreign bank with a major US presence. He has steadied and rebuilt his financial empire with a heavy reliance on capital from Russia. At a minimum the Trump organization is receiving lots of investment capital from people close to Vladimir Putin

4. Then there's Paul Manafort, Trump's nominal 'campaign chair' who now functions as campaign manager and top advisor. Manafort spent most of the last decade as top campaign and communications advisor for Viktor Yanukovych, the pro-Russian Ukrainian Prime Minister and then President whose ouster in 2014 led to the on-going crisis and proxy war in Ukraine. Yanukovych was and remains a close Putin ally. Manafort is running Trump's campaign.

5. Trump's foreign policy advisor on Russia and Europe is Carter Page, a man whose entire professional career has revolved around investments in Russia and who has deep and continuing financial and employment ties to Gazprom. If you're not familiar with Gazprom, imagine if most or all of the US energy industry were rolled up into a single company and it were personally controlled by the US President who used it as a source of revenue and patronage.

6. Over the course of the last year, Putin has aligned all Russian state controlled media behind Trump. As Frank Foer explains here, this fits a pattern with how Putin has sought to prop up rightist/nationalist politicians across Europe, often with direct or covert infusions of money.

7. This is one thing that made the Trump convention very different. The Trump Camp was totally indifferent to the platform. So party activists were able to write one of the most conservative platforms in history. Not with Trump's backing but because he simply didn't care. With one big exception: Trump's team mobilized the nominee's traditional mix of cajoling and strong-arming on one point: changing the party platform on assistance to Ukraine against Russian military operations in eastern Ukraine. For what it's worth (and it's not worth much) I am quite skeptical of most Republicans call for aggressively arming Ukraine to resist Russian aggression. But the single-mindedness of this focus on this one issue - in the context of total indifference to everything else in the platform - speaks volumes.

Add to this that his most conspicuous foreign policy statements track not only with Putin's positions but those in which Putin is most intensely interested. Aside from Ukraine, Trump's suggestion that the US and thus NATO might not come to the defense of NATO member states in the Baltics in the case of a Russian invasion is a case in point.

To put this all into perspective, if Vladimir Putin were simply the CEO of a major American corporation and there was this much money flowing in Trump's direction, combined with this much solicitousness of Putin's policy agenda, it would set off alarm bells galore. That is not hyperbole or exaggeration. And yet Putin is not the CEO of an American corporation. He's the autocrat who rules a foreign state, with an increasingly hostile posture towards the United States and a substantial stockpile of nuclear weapons. The stakes involved in finding out 'what's going on' as Trump might put it are quite a bit higher.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trump-putin-yes-it-s-really-a-thing

((( ))) was an Antisemitic targeting scheme that was reclaimed by Jewish political journalists so most Jewish political journalists now have ((( ))) around their name. Assange knew this beforehand.

Good work by the far right again.

And for clarity's sake on this (Transcribed originally by Pigeon) http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=211099596&postcount=620

Let's review the question of Russian intelligence's involvement in these leaks, which seems controversial to some.

1)Once the DNC uncovered the hacked, it hired a top-shelf firm called Crowd Strike to conduct a forensic review. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...b7a0_story.htm

2) Crowd Strike traced the hack back to groups called Cozy Bear and Fancy Bear.

3) Cozy Bear and Fancy Bear are long time affiliates of Russian intelligence. Crowd Strike report explains here. https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bea...nal-committee/ …

4) Can we say that they were working on behalf of Russia with certainty? This is murky by nature. But there's a long, clear history.

5) What's the alternative theory? A Romanian hacker called Guccifer 2.0 claims credit for the hack.

6) But @VICE pretty much shredded his credibility. https://t.co/56JQAZ8zxp

7) @VICE spoke to Guccifer via email--and seemed pretty unconvinced by his Romanian skills.

8) Also Guccifer called requests to speak in Romanian "a waste of time"

9) Furthermore all the metadata on the DNC docs is in Russian.

10) And consider Julian Assange's history with the Kremlin--he steered Snowden to Russian, he hosted RT show, etc https://t.co/OW95LiFqjb

11) For the record, I don't like what Wikileaks uncovered at the DNC. It should aspire to neutrality in a primary.

12) But the DNC hardly determined the fate of the election. And Sanders people should push for reforms, while not exaggerating the facts.

13)My attempt to explain the leaks and Putin's grand strategy in narrative form is here. https://t.co/CE9nVZ9CN8

Assange always thinks "the Jews" are out to get him. It's a conspiracy!



Click to enlarge.

Here's another leak they weren't so happy with, I wonder why.

https://twitter.com/cjcmichel/status/757010109969018880

This isnt enough evidence for you?

And what conclusive proof about the emails? I have yet to see any proof of collusion in the emails and I have yet to see that they actually carried out any of the shit that they were talking about in the emails. And these were emails where they thought their communication was severe


Are the DNC guilty of preferring Clinton to Sanders? Most certainly, but what did the DNC actually do besides privately talk amongst themselves?

 

[Ekai]

I get what you are saying, but at the same time...you can somehow see yourself voting for Drumpf instead?

Even with all this shit, I feel like Hillary is still the best option of what's left, despite being lesser of evils.

At the end of the day I don't really see a reason to consider Hillary evil. She just isn't as liberal as I want her to be on a few key issues. Particularly foreign policy, LGBT rights and the economy. Though these are also matters where I have always wanted Democrats to be more left-leaning than they have. It's not really a concentrated Hillary thing. That's me anyway. My main issue doesn't even revolve around her. It more so revolves around supporters of her who try to silence minority voices. Though that's also been an issue I've had with Democrats for years on years now. Anyhoo.

Furthermore, to be more concentrated on the topic at hand, there isn't much to even connect her period to the DNC emails. This is more so an issue with how the DNC discussed communicating what they wished to do to Bernie during the primary. Honestly the religion thing in particular pisses me off me more than anything else going on here.
Hillary really has nothing to do with the topic. It's kinda pointless to include her in any of the discussion here.

White liberals were the majority of Bernie's base. How is that a narrative?

In the past there was quite a bit of drowning out the minority support that Bernie had. It is a narrative that contributed to racist, misogynistic and transphobic rhetoric on the board. It also contributes further to the "Bernie v. Hillary shit" I was told is supposed to be over now. The primaries are done. Why are people still trying to bring it up? We should be (mostly) focused on Drumpf rather than on shitting on people for having preferred Bernie in the primaries.

 

[wesleyshark]

I really really hope no Sanders voter would vote for Trump just because they are mad at Hillary or the DNC.

I mean, Trumps first act to building his potential presidency was selected someone that is extremely socially conservative. Thats clue enough to show that Trump isn't with the whole "alt right" stuff, and is just clue less about things.

It is a thing that is happening, fwiw. I personally know, and know of, solid handfuls of Bernie supporters who are actually contemplating voting for Trump just in hopes of sticking it to Hillary.

Of course, words mean nothing. We'll see what they actually do when it's time to vote, but the gymnastics is impressive.

 

[royalan]

Which conspiracy theory? It's in the emails. It's not a theory.

You know what we don't have any conclusive proof about? The 'this is motivated by Russia trying to throw the election' stuff. And even if they are, that still doesn't clear the DNC here. By way of analogy, If my girlfriend's friend was motivated to tell me that my girlfriend was cheating on me because she wanted to break up the relationship, and she had proof, the fact that the person's motivation may have been selfish wouldn't be enough for me to ignore the truth.

I flat out cannot vote for Democrats after this.

It's a total theory until one of you proves otherwise.

I'm going to repost something that I wrote earlier in this thread because I feel that it's still relevant to the discussion happening:

This is the question I asked you earlier that you didn't answer. In what real, physical ways did the DNC not behave impartially in regards to Bernie Sanders? Staff members having a private preference does not count. People have opinions. What real things from the primaries can you point to that show that the DNC was "against" Bernie?

Was it when they gave the Sanders campaign access to voter data after it was discovered that his campaign had hacked into and stole Hillary's private campaign data and initially lied about it when they were caught?

Was it when they continued to let him run without objection even after he filed a lawsuit against the DNC after his campaign was caught stealing data and his campaign was momentarily cut off while the DNC investigated the matter?

Was it when they increased the number of debates at his "request" (read: whining)?

Was it when they didn't demand that heads roll after some of Bernie's delegates openly encouraged gendered attacks at their rallies ("Democratic Whores") and disruption that neared the point of violence at statewide conventions?

Was it when the DNC did not openly oppose him when he critiqued their fundraising methods, despite being the recipient of those exact same funds in the past for his Senate elections?

Was it when, even after getting tounced thoroughly in the primaries, the DNC allowed him to have an unprecedented number of his delegates admitted to the platform committee (almost as many as Clinton), a concession the DNC has never given previously?

i'm looking for this lack of impartiality in how the primaries were actually handled, and I'm just not finding it.

The funny thing is there are more concessions the DNC made to Bernie throughout the course of this primary that I could add to that list, but I think it makes the point.

So far, all we really see in these emails are the opinions of staff that were meant to be private. Granted, some of those opinions are terrible and people should be held accountable. However: staff members holding personal opinions about candidates that were never meant to be shared is not in itself evidence of collusion. You cannot prosecute the DNC for having a preference behind closed doors. Literally everyone does.

You have to show me instances in which those stated preferences translated into actual ways by which Bernie was held back in the primaries by the DNC. Was he denied resources? Was vital information not shared with his campaign? Were any significant requests denied him? Was he denied access to the fundraising apparatus? Was he not given a fair, fighting chance in every state in which he chose to compete (this of course excludes the South, which he made the choice to ignore...but he still shoulda won, huh?).

Now, I COULD be missing something (and Wikileaks claims to have more emails so who knows what's on the horizon), but when I look at how the primaries actually played out, ALL I see is concession after concession after concession granted to the Sanders campaign. Literally unprecedented concessions. I see a campaign that was granted nearly every request and was treated with kids gloves all while it slandered Hillary Clinton and the DNC for no other reason than the fact that it was losing handily.

People who operate the DNC did not like Bernie. That much is obvious. Hell, with the petulant way the campaign was behaving in the final month or so who can be surprised? And yes, there were questionable things in those emails. Even entertaining the idea of using his religion or heritage against him is gross (and very Republican-ish). But if your only evidence for collusion are these emails showing the Bernie Sanders annoyed the shit out of the DNC, then it's not very strong evidence.

 

[Liberty4all]

Have you guys read some of these emails?

Straight up horrible stuff.

Remember how GAF was talking about how trump companies had sexist ads on Craig's list to hire "hot women!". I remember GAF talking about it. Setup by Clinton campaign emails confirm.

Holy crap this shit is unbelievable these emails are damning.

Edit: also poor Bernie.

 

[disastermouse]

Oh, please.

Don't pretend as though you were ever interested in voting for Clinton in the first place. At least be honest about it.

No, but I was really looking forward to voting for Russ Feingold this year. I haven't lived in this state both when he was running and after I achieved eligibility to vote in 1992. (I lived with my father in Wisconsin as a kid, but moved in with my mother before I turned 18.)

 

[GoldenEye 007]

Well it is not a good look. Stuff like this is why you can imagine the DNC does so terribly outside of presidential elections. And this, because it is getting picked up everywhere, is just more bad publicity that is being connected to Hillary - right or wrong. Now we can say that the people upset will be ones that wouldn't have voted for Hillary in the first place, but given how tight this race is, there just isn't as much room for these types of excuses.

Some DNC idiots are dumb and DWS probably needs to go. Just unforced errors here.

 

[El Odio]

Shaun King is demanding an apology from the DNC over this or else.

Spoiler

:lol

 

[Blader]

Have you guys read some of these emails?

Straight up horrible stuff.

Remember how GAF was talking about how trump companies had sexist ads on Craig's list to hire "hot women!". I remember GAF talking about it. Setup by Clinton campaign emails confirm.

Holy crap this shit is unbelievable these emails are damning.

Edit: also poor Bernie.

Bernie lost the primary because he appealed to a minority of Democratic voters and fell about 3 million votes short, not because some asshole in the DNC once thought about exposing him as an atheist.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

I wonder what Correct The Record's internet "paid posting" tab will be this week?

 

[royalan]

Shaun King is demanding an apology from the DNC over this or else.

Spoiler

:lol

Shuan King needs to answer for all that missing donation money from the two sham activist organizations he set up.

Until then, he can remain irrelevant.

 

[Corronchilejano]

So uh, is there any place to read the most juicy stuff that has come out yet?

 

[sangreal]

Shaun King is demanding an apology from the DNC over this or else.

Spoiler

:lol

That guy already apologized anyway

Before that tweet too

 

[ShironRedshift]

Have you guys read some of these emails?

Straight up horrible stuff.

Remember how GAF was talking about how trump companies had sexist ads on Craig's list to hire "hot women!". I remember GAF talking about it. Setup by Clinton campaign emails confirm.

Holy crap this shit is unbelievable these emails are damning.

Edit: also poor Bernie.

Yes. And that's why I ask, where? Where is there any evidence of any type of setup or collusion to stop Sanders from winning the election, or anything but particular members of the DNC talking about stuff in private that they never went through with? Terrible stuff that they shouldn't have said period and should definitely apologize and potentially be fired for, but nothing that was actually enacted or went to fruition in any way (which speaks to how the DNC over all regarded it as nonsense and completely ignored and disregarded those fuckwits and their shitty opinions).

And where's the evidence of Clinton herself having any involvement in this any way? This is all DNC members. Nothing connects this to Clinton or the Clinton campaign in any way. Just members of the DNC discussing stuff, terrible stuff, but stuff that never went beyond discussion or went into practice in any way, which itself thus shows how little credence the DNC gave to the people who felt this way about Sanders considering none of this ever actually happened or went any farther than private e-mails.

 

[disastermouse]

Bernie lost the primary because he appealed to a minority of Democratic voters and fell about 3 million votes short, not because some asshole in the DNC once thought about exposing him as an atheist.

Because the DNC was actively interested in torpedoing one of their own candidates and was consulted about strategies to do just that.

The DNC is supposed to be a neutral actor.

 

[googleplex]

So you're saying you aren't reading the e-mails? There's plenty of evidence for discussion of collusion having taken place. Which is damning to me regardless of the end point execution of said collusion. Discussion of it still happened. You can't exactly wave that away. It's there.

I'm still voting Democrat regardless, always was, but the DNC aren't doing themselves any favors with BS like discussing using Bernie's religion against him in battleground states. Stuff like that pisses me off regardless of political party or who did it. We need to stop giving Democrats free passes when they say or do things that is hopelessly out of tune with any sensibility. As someone who is very liberal leaning, I don't see the issue with criticizing the Democrats when they behave in gross manners. I want them to move more to the left afterall. And employing or even thinking of employing those kinds of tactics doesn't sit well with me.

WHERE??!! seriously... please I'm begging you. Please point out the collusion or rigging the election against Bernie. So far all I'm seeing are people expressing their personal preference in private emails.

Show me how votes were rigged.
Show me how Bernie's campaign was ACTUALLY sabotaged

Do you people actually think the DNC preferred Obama to Clinton in 2008? No! The Democratic establishment preferred Hillary to Him but guess what? The DNC didn't rigged the election against Obama or try and sabotage him and He Won! And the DNC didn't rig shit against Bernie, but he lost due to his own incompetence and running an amateur hour campaign.

Bernie lost by huge margins and in every possible metric. Its not the DNC's fault. Its his own.

 

[ShironRedshift]

Because the DNC was actively interested in torpedoing one of their own candidates and was consulted about strategies to do just that.

The DNC is supposed to be a neutral actor.

Key word being interested (and even then only for particular members, specifically, two--this by no means incriminates the DNC as a whole). Particular members were interested in doing that, but only particular members, and it never went beyond interest even for those members and thus despite the feelings of very particular members they actually acted as neutral actors despite their personal feelings. Unless there's actually evidence that indicates otherwise somewhere in these e-mails which so far has not been found.

 

[Ekai]

WHERE??!! seriously... please I'm begging you. Please point out the collusion or rigging the election against Bernie. So far all I'm seeing are people expressing their personal preference ion emails.

Show me how votes were rigged.
Show me how Bernie's campaign was ACTUALLY sabotaged

Do you people actually think the DNC preferred Obama to Clinton in 2008? NoW the Democratic establishment preferred Hillary to Him but guess what? The DNC didn't rigged the election against Obama or try and sabotage him and He Won! And the DNC didn't rig shit against Bernie, but he lost due to his own incompetence and running an amateur hour campaign.

Bernie lost but huge margins and in every possible metric. Its not the DNC's fault. Its his own.

I didn't say votes were rigged. I never said anything was rigged or sabotaged. Can you do me the common decency of even reading my post before you go off on a pre-prepared tirade against a strawman? I said there was discussion that took place within the e-mails of tactics they wished to employ but ultimately did not. To me the content of said tactics are disgusting no matter if they were executed or not. It's discussion of collusion, not collusion itself, plain and simple. And if you're going to deny what is plainly there (like that religion bs) then this conversation is not even worth having. Though it already started off on a sour foot.

 

[El Odio]

Because the DNC was actively interested in torpedoing one of their own candidates and was consulted about strategies to do just that.

The DNC is supposed to be a neutral actor.

One discussion between two people that amounted to nothing because no one else wanted to act on their ideas is not "actively" torpedoing someone. Convinent how this ignores the emails about them talking about ensuring the Sanders campaign stays on track.

 

[royalan]

Because the DNC was actively interested in torpedoing one of their own candidates and was consulted about strategies to do just that.

The DNC is supposed to be a neutral actor.

...so, you're just going to continue the discussion as though several posters haven't asked you repeatedly for specific evidence?

 

[Messofanego]

Trump was bailed out by Russia and is now their political pawn? OMG how is this not national news?!

 

[Liberty4all]

Yes. And that's why I ask, where? Where is there any evidence of any type of setup or collusion to stop Sanders from winning the election, or anything but particular members of the DNC talking about stuff in private that they never went through with? Terrible stuff that they shouldn't have said period and should definitely apologize and potentially be fired for, but nothing that was actually enacted or went to fruition in any way (which speaks to how the DNC over all regarded it as nonsense and completely ignored and disregarded those fuckwits and their shitty opinions).

And where's the evidence of Clinton herself having any involvement in this any way? This is all DNC members. Nothing connects this to Clinton or the Clinton campaign in any way. Just members of the DNC discussing stuff, terrible stuff, but stuff that never went beyond discussion or went into practice in any way, which itself thus shows how little credence the DNC gave to the people who felt this way about Sanders considering none of this ever actually happened or went any farther than private e-mails.

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/12803

This actually happened ... I remember a few months back GAF talking about how horrible/sexist Trump was due to these Craig list ads. No idea what thread or exactly when, but when I saw this particular email I was like holy shit I remember us talking about those Craig list ads.

You gotta admit the optics here are horrible.

 

[Chichikov]

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/12803

This actually happened ... I remember a few months back GAF talking about how horrible/sexist Trump was due to these Craig list ads.

You gotta admit the optics here are horrible.

What does it have to do with Sanders though?
And I'm not sure I'm seeing anything terribly wrong with that email btw, like, I don't think it's a super effective way to campaign, but whatever.

 

[ShironRedshift]

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/12803

This actually happened ... I remember a few months back GAF talking about how horrible/sexist Trump was due to these Craig list ads.

You gotta admit the optics here are horrible.

Okay, sure, that e-mail looks stupid and dumb... but what does someone asking to have permission to create some fake Craiglist post for Trump's businesses have to do with your prior claims of this confirming some type of setup by the Clinton campaign, against Sanders?

 

[GYODX]

Trump was bailed out by Russia and is now their political pawn? OMG how is this not national news?!

Seems like a stretch to conclude that Trump is a Russian pawn. It's more like a Trump presidency is in Russia's interests and so they are actively working to make that a reality.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/12803

This actually happened ... I remember a few months back GAF talking about how horrible/sexist Trump was due to these Craig list ads. No idea what thread or exactly when, but when I saw this particular email I was like holy shit I remember us talking about those Craig list ads.

You gotta admit the optics here are horrible.

Forgive me if I don't shed any tears for that orange turd. The man has already made enough sexist comments that it's not as though this is slanderous to his upstanding character.

 

[Oddish1]

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/12803

This actually happened ... I remember a few months back GAF talking about how horrible/sexist Trump was due to these Craig list ads. No idea what thread or exactly when, but when I saw this particular email I was like holy shit I remember us talking about those Craig list ads.

You gotta admit the optics here are horrible.

I don't recall this, I could have just missed it, but was the craigslist ad the exact same verbatim as the one in the email? I ask because the "fake universities" tells me that this is meant to be obviously fake. Like, it seems as if the idea was that the craiglist posts were meant to be obvious anti-Trump ads that the DNC could just put up for free.

 

[Messofanego]

Seems like a stretch to conclude that Trump is a Russian pawn. It's more like a Trump presidency is in Russia's interests and so they are actively working to make that a reality.

Yeah, and they're getting him to push for their interests like the NATO thing, so that made it sound like he's in their hands. Has he supported anything that would be against the Russians?

 

[pigeon]

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/12803

This actually happened ... I remember a few months back GAF talking about how horrible/sexist Trump was due to these Craig list ads. No idea what thread or exactly when, but when I saw this particular email I was like holy shit I remember us talking about those Craig list ads.

You gotta admit the optics here are horrible.

I don't think these ads were ever posted. I can't find a source online that can reference them or claims they existed.

Can you provide such a source?

 

[Liberty4all]

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/12803

This actually happened ... I remember a few months back GAF talking about how horrible/sexist Trump was due to these Craig list ads. No idea what thread or exactly when, but when I saw this particular email I was like holy shit I remember us talking about those Craig list ads.

You gotta admit the optics here are horrible.

What does it have to do with Sanders though?
And I'm not sure I'm seeing anything terribly wrong with that email btw, like, I don't think it's a super effective way to campaign, but whatever.

Im just skimming through various sites trying to get a picture it's kind of overwhelming ... There are a lot of emails and to be perfectly honest it's currently only far right sites reporting on them.

You really don't see anything wrong with what they were discussing in that email? Putting out fake job posting to smear Trump as a sexist?

 

[Lothars]

Seems like a stretch to conclude that Trump is a Russian pawn. It's more like a Trump presidency is in Russia's interests and so they are actively working to make that a reality.

I think there's enough evidence that suggests something is corrupt and he's working with Russia. It doesn't seem like a sketch at all other than trying to mislead the facts.

Im just skimming through various sites trying to get a picture it's kind of overwhelming ... There are a lot of emails and to be perfectly honest it's currently only far right sites reporting on them.

You really don't see anything wrong with what they were discussing in that email? Putting out fake job posting to smear Trump as a sexist?

Trump is Sexist, The ads are not a great way to communicate that but there's nothing wrong with them.

 

[royalan]

Im just skimming through various sites trying to get a picture it's kind of overwhelming ... There are a lot of emails and to be perfectly honest it's currently only far right sites reporting on them.

You really don't see anything wrong with what they were discussing in that email? Putting out fake job posting to smear Trump as a sexist?

Donald Trump is a sexist.

 

[shem935]

Im just skimming through various sites trying to get a picture it's kind of overwhelming ... There are a lot of emails and to be perfectly honest it's currently only far right sites reporting on them.

You really don't see anything wrong with what they were discussing in that email? Putting out fake job posting to smear Trump as a sexist?

Not really no. Considering the email controversy and Benghazi controversy are both manufactured nonsense that republican congressmen have dumped millions of dollars into investigating for purely political reasons.

I remember us talking about it on GAF, that's why I posted this particular example. But no I don't remember when. So I will retract "it actually happened". When I read that email though I was like holy shit I remember us talking about those Craig list ads on GAF a few months ago.

I remember it being mentioned but no actual thread was made. Probably got dumped in a poligaf or random OT thread way back and is now lost to time, no way could I find that now.

 

[Liberty4all]

I don't think these ads were ever posted. I can't find a source online that can reference them or claims they existed.

Can you provide such a source?

I remember us talking about it on GAF, that's why I posted this particular example. But no I don't remember when. So I will retract "it actually happened". When I read that email though I was like holy shit I remember us talking about those Craig list ads on GAF a few months ago.

 

[ShironRedshift]

Im just skimming through various sites trying to get a picture it's kind of overwhelming ... There are a lot of emails and to be perfectly honest it's currently only far right sites reporting on them.

You really don't see anything wrong with what they were discussing in that email? Putting out fake job posting to smear Trump as a sexist?

If you're not currently sure, why did you make your previous claims, as if you were sure there was some evidence of collusion and undermining of the Sanders campaign by the Clinton campaign in there and jump the gun instead of waiting it out and seeing if any such e-mails or evidence of it actually does surface?

Edit: Alright then, nevermind, it's all good. ^__^

 

[kadath]

So much deflection in this thread. Can't we just enjoy the audacity for once.

 

[BlastProcessing]

Im just skimming through various sites trying to get a picture it's kind of overwhelming ... There are a lot of emails and to be perfectly honest it's currently only far right sites reporting on them.

You really don't see anything wrong with what they were discussing in that email? Putting out fake job posting to smear Trump as a sexist?

The issue is that you said it was the Clinton campaign doing it. That's not what the email says at all. Take a deep breath and try to look at what the emails actually say before throwing around accusations like that.

Right now there is a shitty game of internet telephone going on about these leaks.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Yeah, and they're getting him to push for their interests like the NATO thing, so that made it sound like he's in their hands. Has he supported anything that would be against the Russians?

The guy is the luckiest god damn candidate that has ever run for President. It feels like the entire world is doing everything they can to help him win. From every jihadist dickhead that is doing everything he can to affirm his religious bigotry, to the DNC being shit in general, to Clinton's stupid email decision and the partisan Benghazi investigations, and everything else you see occurring on the news daily.

Every single thing is coalescing to help this incompetent buffoon somehow make up for his massive deficiencies. The sad part is that it's very likely that he would just make all of this worse. Why would he care about transparency and ethics in government? Why would he care about police reform when it would piss off his racist voter base? Why would he care about actually defeating radical terrorists when every attack just gives him more fuel and fear to consolidate his power?

 

[Liberty4all]

I don't recall this, I could have just missed it, but was the craigslist ad the exact same verbatim as the one in the email? I ask because the "fake universities" tells me that this is meant to be obviously fake. Like, it seems as if the idea was that the craiglist posts were meant to be obvious anti-Trump ads that the DNC could just put up for free.

My memory of when we were talking about it on GAF was in one of the many trump hate threads ... The ads were pointed out as another example of republican ineptitude and proof of trump sexism. But honestly I don't remember where/when we talked about it, it was months ago.

 

[CyberMiguel]

Why would you have to give your SSN to donate to the DNC?

To identify the donor. In fact, I don't see anything wrong with what WikiLeaks did...at least from a chilean point of view. In my country at least, we (the people) demand that kind of transparency from our politicians and they are debating whether or not they should ban anonymous donations, since the state should now finance campaigns with limited funds.

Anonymous donations could be easily used to persuade candidates to work on the donor's interests instead of the interest of people.

 

[Rikudo]

Anyone else fucking alarmed at the fact that Putin wants Trump to win and is now trying to get the Democrats to lose D:

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

My memory of when we were talking about it on GAF was in one of the many trump hate threads ... The ads were pointed out as another example of republican ineptitude and proof of trump sexism. But honestly I don't remember where/when we talked about it, it was months ago.

There is no need for further proof. It is a verifiable fact that Trump is either a sexist or he makes sexist comments for some kind of personal benefit.

 

[Bounceounce]

At the end of the day I don't really see a reason to consider Hillary evil. She just isn't as liberal as I want her to be on a few key issues. Particularly foreign policy, LGBT rights and the economy. Though these are also matters where I have always wanted Democrats to be more left-leaning than they have. It's not really a concentrated Hillary thing. That's me anyway. My main issue doesn't even revolve around her. It more so revolves around supporters of her who try to silence minority voices. Though that's also been an issue I've had with Democrats for years on years now. Anyhoo.

Furthermore, to be more concentrated on the topic at hand, there isn't much to even connect her period to the DNC emails. This is more so an issue with how the DNC discussed communicating what they wished to do to Bernie during the primary. Honestly the religion thing in particular pisses me off me more than anything else going on here.
Hillary really has nothing to do with the topic. It's kinda pointless to include her in any of the discussion here.



In the past there was quite a bit of drowning out the minority support that Bernie had. It is a narrative that contributed to racist, misogynistic and transphobic rhetoric on the board. It also contributes further to the "Bernie v. Hillary shit" I was told is supposed to be over now. The primaries are done. Why are people still trying to bring it up? We should be focused on Drumpf rather than on shitting on people for having preferred Bernie in the primaries.

It's also a narrative that ignores the groups of minority,lgbt, and women voters that Bernie received as well as the white, minority, and LGBT groups Hillary received and the opinions held by them.

 

[GYODX]

I think there's enough evidence that suggests something is corrupt and he's working with Russia. It doesn't seem like a sketch at all other than trying to mislead the facts.

How about we work with the same standard of proof that's being afforded to the DNC? Not for Trump's sake or anything.

 

[Oddish1]

My memory of when we were talking about it on GAF was in one of the many trump hate threads ... The ads were pointed out as another example of republican ineptitude and proof of trump sexism. But honestly I don't remember where/when we talked about it, it was months ago.

I guess "fake universities" jumps out to me as a tell that this is meant to be a joke and anti-Trump ad and it wouldn't be the first time that GAF took something at face value. It's possible that the DNC put up one that was less obviously fake, or someone else did.