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[PeteBull]

Quick note in regards to the message above: I definetly do NOT agree that women in Control look uglier. A little bit older here and there, for the roles (just like men), MAYBE (20 years my a...). I had to "play their game" to make my point.

Its different situation on control where u can argue for low settings/angles/no rt, vs superwoke character design, lets just look for Saints Row reboot, guy w/o shirt, fit/muscular/atractive( which im completely fine or even more, im big in favour of) vs the female design, nuff said just watch the trailer(game was delayed;D)

U literally have ppl pointing out the bad guys look like real gangster and the saints row crew looks like students, the main character is wokeness impersonified with all standard design choices u could ask for- short hair, clothed like for russian winter while other characters got only some light ones or none, and ofc as lil female features/sexy flavour as possible

Even not so long launched(and bombed hard, since woke=bomb) Birds of Pray movie had all the strong female charactrer characteristic but ppl responsible for cast knew main actress gotta be hot as all fuck and show some srs skin

 

[Vick]

 

[tassletine]

Define feminine features and masculine personalities? the ideal of "Beauty" changed a lot during the centuries...Also "Masculine" personalities isn't something new. Queen Elizabeth I or Jeanne d'Arc is what you would consider a masculine personality...

This is going nowhere because society and ideals of beauty is constantly changing...

Women always cared or made an effort to "to look good" but also did men. It all depends on the period of time. We are just going in circles.

I will leave you with a painting of Louis XIX. He was considered the epitome of Masculinity in the 17th century.

Thats's not Louis XIX, it's Louis XIV.
Although I get your point, it's generally thought that the sun shone out of his arse because he was very good as a ruler, not because he was the epitome of masculinity.

Using royals are not a good argument for any standard as they have a tendency to dress stupidly over the top. You could easily say the same thing of someone like Trump now but we'd all know it was nonsense.

This "Standard of beauty" (ie: fashion) is one those subjects that people think are universal -- But it's more like a small clique of people with lots of money, trying out new clothes because they are bored.

Actual beauty, which can be measured mathematically, is something different entirely. Ie: The reasons infants and small animals are attractive. Big eyes, golden ratios etc.

 

[Zeroing]

Thats's not Louis XIX, it's Louis XIV.
Although I get your point, it's generally thought that the sun shone out of his arse because he was very good as a ruler, not because he was the epitome of masculinity.

Using royals are not a good argument for any standard as they have a tendency to dress stupidly over the top. You could easily say the same thing of someone like Trump now but we'd all know it was nonsense.

This "Standard of beauty" (ie: fashion) is one those subjects that people think are universal -- But it's more like a small clique of people with lots of money, trying out new clothes because they are bored.

Actual beauty, which can be measured mathematically, is something different entirely. Ie: The reasons infants and small animals are attractive. Big eyes, golden ratios etc.

I know It was a typo. fashion always influenced everyone.

And you are wrong, views of beauty are not universal and do change over the time. In the renaissance, men having a very feminine features were viewed as attractive, From Netherlands obsession with round faces and long foreheads in women etc. and if we go all over the rest of the world we will encounter more and more deviations. But if you want to sum it up yes beauty is symmetrical faces because it shows that person has good genes.

 

[BbMajor7th]

Looks like we have reached the point of me having to explain what I said and quote myself because your are cherry picking my replies and assuming what I said.
This is what I said:
DMC5 has a balanced cast with different personality traits that are conflicting at times and they make it work. It adds to the story." See, this is me pointing out that a woman can have male traits and still be feminine. Femininity shouldn't be shamed.
They also have different body types and varied features to be recognized at a glance, without looking like a dude.
Looking like Abby is not mandatory in a female with male traits, that's it.

Why should it though? Why is it of a universal good that female characters subscribe to traditional notions of femininity? And why must it be your traditional notions of femininity? Why is it specifically bad that Abby - since you raise her - doesn't look like a lot of women in western media look. Women like this do exist - is it not wrong for them to be portrayed in games?

And here again:
"No one here said that they can't do that. What we are pointing out is that is the only thing they are doing currently, since there are male protagonists and females that acts like a male, a lot of times not even looking like a woman."

So, I didn't said that there is no room for both, I clearly stated my problem with the agenda, period.

You need to substantiate this - most female protagonists in Western games are not 'females that acts like a male, a lot of times not even looking like a woman'. The closest example is TLOU 2's Abby, which doesn't really count, because TLOU 2 as she's supposed to represent the ugliness and hypocrisy of western capitalism and privilege.

Your second explanation makes much more sense then the first one, but still, "a theory pointing something out" is very inconclusive. Gameplay wise it makes zero sense.
And please don't give me "it's a videogame" kind of reply, of course it is... but if it's aiming to be a narrative dense story, at least put an explanation on why she's older. Absolutely nothing is preventing the devs from doing it.
It's a sci-fi setting, she could have gone under a body reconstruction explaining her physical capabilities, the suit, something makes her age faster, there are a shitton of options to explain it, sci-fi allows to some bonkers shit.
13 Sentinels is an amazing example of it.

You're asking for a narrative justification in a story that is deliberately vague and fragmentary - you're not going to get it. Implying they need one is to imply that young and attractive should be the default and that any deviation needs to be clearly justified. In any case, the woman is in her early forties, not her early seventies - she's probably about five years older than me and I'm far fitter now than I was at 20 (when I lived like a slug in university halls).

Would you ever place the same demands on a young, pretty protagonist to substantiate their age within the story? If Selene was a 20 year old, would you be saying 'it's highly unlikely that a 20 year old would have the experience or qualifications to run deep space scouting missions by herself - most people won't even have finished university by 20 and we're supposed to believe that she's a veteran deep space scout for this huge corporate? In reality, she'd be entry level - that's even if she'd left the academy.' If she was dolled up with make-up, would you make a fuss about how unrealistic that is for someone all by their selves in a space suit, miles from home? Again, I doubt you would. Or heck, if she was 20, but had the kind of blemishes, spots and pimples that most twenty year olds have would that be an issue?

I suspect you're holding the narrative justifications to much higher standards in Selene's because you don't approve of the design - the tacit implication being that unless the developer has a damned good reason they should be casting someone young, pretty and (presumably) white. But it only goes for women of course, no-one will ask why Marcus Fenix is still on active duty at his age, or wonder aloud how were supposed to believe that a lab rat like Gordon Freeman would be able to take out entire teams of soldiers. Why the difference?

You have provided one example, if we consider her feminine, that is still up for debate based on what you said. Since you can say that my phrase stated "only doing that" let me apologize and say the overwhelming majority of the western devs are doing masculinezed women.
Can we agree on this?

Okay, you're making the big claim here - you need to provide receipts. You need to say what you mean by 'masculinized' and demonstrate how the 'overwhelming majority' (let's say greater than 90%) of western developers are doing this. There's a whole load of screenshots of Aloy from Horizon who is pretty obviously feminine (unless you consider pouting at the camera and bare midriffs a distinctly male behaviour).

 

[PeteBull]

BiG LOL at all those Alloy screenies when she covers her puffy/strong jaw masculine face by helmet or hands, i think u should show screenies when she covers all her face but eyes, then it might make impressions she actually looks attractive ;D
If u have to hide sizeable part of characters face for it to be passable(either by hands or helmet) then u know full well there is something srsly wrong with that, and woke-ists know it too or they wouldnt post those helmet/hands covered face screenies but normal ones instead

 

[BbMajor7th]

BiG LOL at all those Alloy screenies when she covers her puffy/strong jaw masculine face by helmet or hands, i think u should show screenies when she covers all her face but eyes, then it might make impressions she actually looks attractive ;D
If u have to hide sizeable part of characters face for it to be passable(either by hands or helmet) then u know full well there is something srsly wrong with that, and woke-ists know it too or they wouldnt post those helmet/hands covered face screenies but normal ones instead

I think she's cute...

 

[Vick]

BiG LOL at all those Alloy screenies when she covers her puffy/strong jaw masculine face by helmet or hands, i think u should show screenies when she covers all her face but eyes, then it might make impressions she actually looks attractive ;D
If u have to hide sizeable part of characters face for it to be passable(either by hands or helmet) then u know full well there is something srsly wrong with that,

So you're not attracted to those Aloy pictures.. guess we found the gayest person on GAF and probably whole Internet.

and woke-ists know it too or they wouldnt post those helmet/hands covered face screenies but normal ones instead

You just called me "woke-ist"?

I'd spare you the embarrassment of how fucking clueless this accusation is, and simpy limit myself to explain there's no "agenda" nor intention whatsoever behind my post. Since getting that armor i'm constantly distracted by how insanely beautiful Aloy is and wanted to share some of it. Relax.

 

[PeteBull]

My personal preference is when woman is bit curvy, think JLO or Mariah in her prime, if that makes me gay im happy to be gay then

 

[Vick]

My personal preference is when woman is bit curvy, think JLO or Mariah in her prime, if that makes me gay im happy to be gay then

Well, different taste.. i find Aloy a million times more attractive than JLO and Mariah Carey for example. Hell i'm not attracted at all to neither of them. Guess for biological reasons i have a preference for sharper facial features in line with my family gene pool, as i'm in love with young Ana Beatriz Barros for instance.

Now that i think about it, Hannah Hoekstra (Aloy's model) is basically identical to one of my cousins.

 

[Y0ssarian]

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Aloy looks like the fat kid in Stand by Me but with long red hair.

 

[StateofMajora]

Yeah it's weird how these devs make cute girls look more like dudes for the game model.

The model is hot, alloy looks masculine and gross. And yes I know the picture on the right doesn't represent the final game but the fact the devs even tried to make her look like that shows how sick they are.

Almost as sick as the gaffers that keep claiming they fap to Alloy Buncha sickos.

 

[Vick]

Aloy looks like the fat kid in Stand by Me but with long red hair.

Always loved Jerry O'Connell's jugs.

Spoiler: NSFW

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Yeah it's weird how these devs make cute girls look more like dudes for the game model.

The model is hot, alloy looks masculine and gross. And yes I know the picture on the right doesn't represent the final game but the fact the devs even tried to make her look like that shows how sick they are.

Almost as sick as the gaffers that keep claiming they fap to Alloy Buncha sickos.

That pic of Aloy literally looks like a guy, but since the pic has long red hair the benefit of the doubt is a female image.

Put short red hair on the character and it's 100% a chubby faced dude.

 

[Vick]

That pic of Aloy literally looks like a guy, but since the pic has long red hair the benefit of the doubt is a female image.

Put short red hair on the character and it's 100% a chubby faced dude.

Remove her make-up, cut the hair, stuck a cock on her and it's 100% a chubby faced dude.

 

[PeteBull]

There u go, wokeists, MissWorld winner from Poland, happened just few hours ago, perfect feminine face, perfect ratios too, where is that bullshit about feminine beauty standards changing? Only on twitter

 

[duyxbox]

In Asia game developer we trust.

 

[Vick]

Yeah it's weird how these devs make cute girls look more like dudes for the game model.

The model is hot, alloy looks masculine and gross. And yes I know the picture on the right doesn't represent the final game but the fact the devs even tried to make her look like that shows how sick they are.

Almost as sick as the gaffers that keep claiming they fap to Alloy Buncha sickos.

That picture is even fake ffs..

Spoiler

Because cherry picking the weird screenshot was not enough, let's also photoshop her chin and jaw. That's how pure and disinterested that retarded comparison is.

Almost as retarded as reading Aloy is "masculine and gross" after actually playing Forbidden West.
The entire world is thirsty for her, she talks like a girl, acts like a girl, walks like a girl, runs like a girl, swims like a mermaid, rides like a girl, her fighting and shooting animations are akin to what old Disney would animate if commissioned a female warrior, just as every little contextual animations she does, kings ask her to "stay in their palace", everyone calls her "little spark" and other cute names, she wears lots of feminine dresses and make-ups and even goes to support a friend of her on "girls love problems".
Not to mention the poses and expressions you can make her do in Photo-Mode.

She's overall much more feminine than Jill in Resident Evil 3 Remake was, made in Japan, or any woman protagonist in any western product these past years.

Now, i'm not naive enough to expect to have a meaningful conversation here, nor i'm actually interested since we share the same side on this topic, but this is the wrong character and studio to go against with such retarded takes.

Guerrilla are not Californian, made a grounded game (believe it or not if you haven't played it, and i know you haven't) and chose the appropriate character for the story, based on a dutch woman with dutch women physiognomy.
And i guarantee you if you're straight and dress her like i did, you'd be distracted during every single line of every single dialogue and every single cutscene by how beautiful and attractive she looks and feels. In many ways, the game actually is a celebration of female beauty.

But the rant is over, free to go on being attracted by these things:

 

[StateofMajora]

The entire world is thirsty for her,

Seek help. This kind of language is so weird.. it's like there's a cult for this mannish character lol

Seriously just… enjoy I guess.

 

[Vick]

Seek help. This kind of language is so weird.. it's like there's a cult for this mannish character lol

Seriously just… enjoy I guess.

Seek help? Dude, i'm the attractive guy with a beautiful girlfriend and privileged life, not the Mario avatar one pissed that the model Guerrilla scanned for their game doesn't look like an anime children.

Enjoy keep yelling at clouds i guess, but being desired by everyone in the game world, which is what i was referring to, is not exactly the most "mannish character" trait.

 

[PeteBull]

Almost as retarded as reading Aloy is "masculine and gross" after actually playing Forbidden West.

Just gonna correct it, since multiple ppl told u in this threat we arent ok with artifically making uglier character's face vs her mocap actress, and it got proven multiple times, including by myself, not with doctored screenies but in official game vids vs vids of the actress so everything could be seen nicely in motion- no room for guesses/excuses.

It was made clear beyond any doubt Aloy's face got made uglier/fatter vs actress she was based on, so all the arguments of "i find her sexy" or "u are gay if u dont" have no meaning.
Just admit it and move on, no point to die on this hill, there is no female u can show off ur wokeism here, so all ur efforts are made in vain

 

[StateofMajora]

Seek help? Dude, i'm the attractive guy with a beautiful girlfriend and privileged life, not the Mario avatar one pissed that the model Guerrilla scanned for their game doesn't look like an anime children.

Enjoy keep yelling at clouds i guess, but being desired by everyone in the game world, which is what i was referring to, is not exactly the most "mannish character" trait.

You got reeeal offended bud. Even brought up "oh he must like anime kiddos" since I don't like Wilma flinstone in stupid head dresses .

I even said I liked the model the character is based off of… so what's the deal? You keep saying how desired she is. Does the actor look like anime? Fucking idiot.

I seriously expect some of you have a shrine to alloy at this point.

Idiots that say mario avatar lolol you don't like mario games? We are on a game forum. To me, an alloy avatar is the odd one. Just enjoy your assassin creed cavewoman game and fuck off.

 

[StateofMajora]

Just gonna correct it, since multiple ppl told u in this threat we arent ok with artifically making uglier character's face vs her mocap actress, and it got proven multiple times, including by myself, not with doctored screenies but in official game vids vs vids of the actress so everything could be seen nicely in motion- no room for guesses/excuses.

It was made clear beyond any doubt Aloy's face got made uglier/fatter vs actress she was based on, so all the arguments of "i find her sexy" or "u are gay if u dont" have no meaning.
Just admit it and move on, no point to die on this hill, there is no female u can show off ur wokeism here, so all ur efforts are made in vain

Something is seriously wrong with him. Who gets this upset over a game model xD

 

[Y0ssarian]

But the rant is over, free to go on being attracted by these things:

Thank you

 

[Vick]

Just gonna correct it, since multiple ppl told u in this threat we arent ok with artifically making uglier character's face vs her mocap actress

And we totally agree here.

It was made clear beyond any doubt Aloy's face got made uglier/fatter vs actress she was based on, so all the arguments of "i find her sexy" or "u are gay if u dont" have no meaning.

Bullshit, i posted pics of Aloy's model looking far worse than any you could find of the game character.

Just admit it and move on, no point to die on this hill, there is no female u can show off ur wokeism here, so all ur efforts are made in vain

Whatever..

You got reeeal offended bud. Even brought up "oh he must like anime kiddos" since I don't like Wilma flinstone in stupid head dresses .

Well, yeah. Unlike the counterparts in this discussion i'm actually playing the game, there's a base under what i'm typing so being dismissed by someone who can't even spell the damn character name right with a "Seek help" after a long post, or others sharing fake pictures to prove a point while using these kind of avatars:

I mean, i knew what i was getting myself into, but still.

I even said I liked the model the character is based off of… so what's the deal?

The deal is the model = Aloy, you can't say one is hot and the other mannish and gross as it's an insult to intelligence.

Idiots that say mario avatar lolol you don't like mario games? We are on a game forum. To me, an alloy avatar is the odd one

Yeah i give you that, sorry. Used to love Mario games when i was a kid.

Who gets this upset over a game model xD

So the entire Thread and your comments on the matter are based on.. oh wait.

 

[StateofMajora]

Yeah i give you that, sorry. Used to love Mario games when i was a kid.

Yes, you're clearly a big strong handsome man who is very secure about not liking kiddie mario games.

I like everything from mario to witcher to uncharted because I actually am an adult that's comfortable with himself.

Move on to your shrine.

 

[Vick]

Yes, you're clearly a big strong handsome man who is very secure about not liking kiddie mario games.

I like everything from mario to witcher to uncharted because I actually am an adult that's comfortable with himself.

Move on to your shrine.

You see? You got triggered by the Mario comment. That's because you like Mario, not different than me being triggered by reading such nonsense like "mannish and gross" while enjoying Forbidden West and especially Aloy portrayal alot.

 

[StateofMajora]

You see? You got triggered by the Mario comment. That's because you like Mario, not different than me being triggered by reading such nonsense like "mannish and gross" while enjoying Forbidden West and especially Aloy portrayal alot.

No, it's different. Go ahead and call mario an ugly plumber and see if I care xD

Or Samus or triss merigold or Claire Redfield ugly… I really wouldn't have any reaction. I'd probably think "that's weird" and not go on a rant.

 

[Modrot]

The push to 1k continues.

 

[Vick]

No, it's different. Go ahead and call mario an ugly plumber and see if I care xD

Or Samus or triss merigold or Claire Redfield ugly… I really wouldn't have any reaction. I'd probably think "that's weird" and not go on a rant.

No, it's not different at all and the example of Mario being an ugly plumber is moot. Your care for Mario games not being seen as kid's toys = my care for a good and feminine character like Aloy not being seen as "masculine and gross".

If you posted a photoshopped uglified picture of Claire vs her model, i wouldn't probably go on a rant as i don't give enough shit about the two-dimensional character, but would still call bullshit and try to prove it's nonsense as i'm passionate about facts and truth. Such a wokeist.

 

[PeteBull]

Is it really so hard to understand how weird it sounds when u trying to praise Aloys false beauty while at the same time u post screenies with her wearing helmet/covering her face with hands to mask those huge flaws devs gave her to make her uglier ?
Its like deep down u know she is ugly and only passable with the helmet on/with hands covering her puffy cheeks, yet u cant admit it to urself yet, be brave, man, admit it, its totally fine if u like her too, but u are exception, not the rule, from objective pov its visible on first sight she got uglified vs her mocap actress facewise

Again- we arent trying to convince u she looks bad in ur eyes, just in ours/majority, u as vocal minority can find her peak female lookswise

 

[Arioco]

My personal preference is when woman is bit curvy, think JLO or Mariah in her prime, if that makes me gay im happy to be gay then

That's not Maria's prime. This is Mariah's prime:




Oh, you're talking about her boobies? OK, I leave that for personal preference.

 

[Fess]

Lol come on that's not how Aloy looks, people here need to start playing games so they can base their argument on something else than bs fanboy trolling.

 

[Vick]

Is it really so hard to understand

This is my last answer, i don't like arguing over idiotic things and in particular with people i feel are on my side of this topic, so after this one feel free to spout whatever nonsense you want.

how weird it sounds when u trying to praise Aloys false beauty while at the same time u post screenies with her wearing helmet/covering her face with hands to mask those huge flaws devs gave her to make her uglier ?

How is that different than posting comparison of Aloy's model in full make-up and hair covering half her face to compare with awful selected screenshots/photshopped ones of the game model?

According to you, the devs wanted to make a character uglier than the model they scanned:

By giving her "huge flaws" not present in the source:

While at the same time trying to make her as desirable as possible; improving her skin by removing wrinkles/imperfections or adding freckles (an attractive trait), giving her hot dresses and make-ups, giving her delicate mannerism and attractive animations, making her swim like a mermaid or assume sexy poses and expressions, providing her with a feminine, deeply fragile inside/insecure/impatient personality, and by portraying this character as object of desire for every NPC she meets.

Flawless logic display there buddy.

These devs really obviously wanted to make an ugly, mannish character and their efforts to succeed are easy to see. I mean look at this..

You can immediately read the intentions behind it: wanting you to feel repulsion over this character appearance. It's apparent, i tell you:

Spoiler

Impossible to not see.

Again- we arent trying to convince u she looks bad in ur eyes, just in ours/majority, u as vocal minority can find her peak female lookswise

What a bunch of nonsense, go read actual opinions of people playing the game like in the OT here or anywhere else and feel free to make a statistic on how many like Aloy and how many don't. The vocal minority posting fakes and selected screenshots to prove the model they scanned is better looking or that Aloy looks mannish and gross is yours.

 

[MrTroubleMaker]

 

[Kokoloko85]

Aloy Horizon 2, Witcher 3 characters, Cyberpunk characters, The last Tomb Raider trilogy, Elena and Chloe from Uncharted 4. Kassandra from Assassin's Creed Odyssey.

Plenty of decent female characters that don't look like men or dead or alive models

 

[Pantz]

Problem solved!

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Problem solved!

Megan Rapinoe and Jerry O'Connell from Stand by Me. Just need a familiar name for the Control character.

 

[Pomizead]

These screenshots of Forbidden West prove that Aloy looks much better when her helmet is masking her cheeks, wich are the biggest complaint we've read about her face.

 

[PeteBull]

Aloy Horizon 2, Witcher 3 characters, Cyberpunk characters, The last Tomb Raider trilogy, Elena and Chloe from Uncharted 4. Kassandra from Assassin's Creed Odyssey.

Plenty of decent female characters that don't look like men or dead or alive models

Alloy from horizon 2 got visibly uglier vs actress her face was modeled after, witcher3 and cyberpunk 2077 were made by cd project red, eastern europe dev from poland, so not pc/woke culture enviroment- i know coz i fricken live here, at least not like u got in western dev studios so ofc women in their games are top notch, Tris both in w2 and w3 is pure godess.

TR reboot is obvious downgrade vs og TR series but character stayed feminine at least so can agree with u, 100% agree on Elena/Chloe , Kasandra is passable/ok/ avg looking but nothing special, i would judge her as a maybe 4 to 6/10 depending on preferences.

 

[SlimeGooGoo]

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[GermanZepp]

What a hell is going on here.

 

[Kokoloko85]

Alloy from horizon 2 got visibly uglier vs actress her face was modeled after, witcher3 and cyberpunk 2077 were made by cd project red, eastern europe dev from poland, so not pc/woke culture enviroment- i know coz i fricken live here, at least not like u got in western dev studios so ofc women in their games are top notch, Tris both in w2 and w3 is pure godess.

TR reboot is obvious downgrade vs og TR series but character stayed feminine at least so can agree with u, 100% agree on Elena/Chloe , Kasandra is passable/ok/ avg looking but nothing special, i would judge her as a maybe 4 to 6/10 depending on preferences.

Alloy looks way better in H2 then Horizon 1 trust me. Apart from some odd pictures I see on here on twitter, she looks great and quite feminine/pretty. Way more than the initial Horizon 2 trailers and cut scenes.

I understand about Poland, I was just thinking of non Japanese game developers who dont have woke females. CDPR is one of the biggest game developers outside of Japan.

I agree on the rest, hopefully the ones mentioned above wont get worse

 

[John Bilbo]

this coming out when

 

[John Bilbo]

 

[John Bilbo]

Just gonna correct it, since multiple ppl told u in this threat we arent ok with artifically making uglier character's face vs her mocap actress, and it got proven multiple times, including by myself, not with doctored screenies but in official game vids vs vids of the actress so everything could be seen nicely in motion- no room for guesses/excuses.

It was made clear beyond any doubt Aloy's face got made uglier/fatter vs actress she was based on, so all the arguments of "i find her sexy" or "u are gay if u dont" have no meaning.
Just admit it and move on, no point to die on this hill, there is no female u can show off ur wokeism here, so all ur efforts are made in vain

Are you referencing this article?

"We didn't 'opt' for a female character," revealed studio co-founder Hermen Hulst. "We never considered Horizon Zero Dawn without her." Hulst also talked about how he wanted to make sure that the protagonist wasn't overly sexualized in-game as it "would be really distracting to the bigger premise of the game."

 

[MrTroubleMaker]

Always loved Jerry O'Connell's jugs.

Spoiler: NSFW

For scientific inquiry, did they model her taco too

 

[TheDreadBaron]

Silliness of this thread's premise aside, I think one factor that might contribute to the perceived ugliness of realistically modeled female faces is the graphics tech. If the artist exaggerates the female facial features then it can look pleasing to the eye, but also like a cartoon doll. If they try to stay as true to the face scan as possible, it's going to look a little off. Horizon has great face tech but it's not perfect, hence the perceived "uglification"

Of course if you've never seen a woman in real life up close without makeup you might have problems with the beauty of a theoretical 100% perfect face scan render.

 

[PeteBull]

Silliness of this thread's premise aside, I think one factor that might contribute to the perceived ugliness of realistically modeled female faces is the graphics tech. If the artist exaggerates the female facial features then it can look pleasing to the eye, but also like a cartoon doll. If they try to stay as true to the face scan as possible, it's going to look a little off. Horizon has great face tech but it's not perfect, hence the perceived "uglification"

Of course if you've never seen a woman in real life up close without makeup you might have problems with the beauty of a theoretical 100% perfect face scan render.

Again with this woke take that somehow now with the power of current consoles characters/their faces gotta be made ugly, or if they are realistic they are ugly-nope if few female characters mentioned not long ago werent made ugly we can be sure now those designs are made uglier on purpose, at least u guys stopped telling us female beauty standards changed, i take it as a small progress in the right direction

Tons of spoilers in those cutscenes of Uncharted 4 that launched in first half of 2016, now we got first half of 2022 so 6 years later, tech didnt move backwards to make female designs uglier/worse, its developers own choice/some1 (publishers?) forcing them to make them uglier in many cases, tech is there to make realistic and pretty faces/bodies as long as there is the will for it

Chloe from Detroit become human ps4 game launched in first half of 2018, 4 years ago.
Those design happened relatively not that long ago, and yet we getting nasty change for the worse recently for some unknown or not really that unknown reason, and no, again, its not tech getting worse, its concious developers decision/forcing them to make such decision.