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Will Princess Zelda ever be Queen Zelda?
- Thread starter Black Republican
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I haven't played SS (much), and frankly I don't remember it overbearing like that in TWW. Probably I can stand breaking the Link when it's not cheese in my face.
BumblebeeCody
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When The King dies.
Mango The Magician
Banned
Well to be fair, I do think that since OOT, they have started to do it more often, whether or not it's cheese though, well I guess that just depends on what it is that he's doing. I mean I don't watch enough anime to really notice any tropes or anything, so maybe it was worse in TP than I remember.
I personally though, am not bothered by it, for reasons that I've already stated before.
AcademicSaucer
Member
In Zelda U she will be the daughter of the village chief , Malon is the Queen.
King Prince Charles.
Labrynian Rebel
Member
OOT King =/= WW Ghost King
All we know is that WW Ghost King is a descendant of OOT Future Zelda and that WW Ghost King's daughter was named Zelda and her portrait shows that his Zelda is what WW Ghost King made Tetra look like for nostalgia.
Mango The Magician
Banned
I don't think that's accurate, I'm pretty sure Zelda in WW is just what Tetra naturally looks like, in a similar sense to Sheik vs Zelda in OOT.
As for the portrait, I always assumed that the portrait was of OOT Zelda, in the same way that the statue is of OOT Link. Which makes KoRL either OOT Zelda's son or the King during OOT. At least that's my interpretation.
Plus I mean, the whole past of WW is drench in OOT references, it'd be weird for it to be a mash up of multiple different eras.
DragonGirl
Banned
Technically she would be queen in any game where her parents aren't the active rulers. However, there is a reason we always see princess in any medium about heroic female royalty and not queen. Princesses are good and queens are evil. Seriously, look at Disney or most fairy tale stories. Women in power are typically portrayed as villains. Princess is often treated as this nebulous "she's special but not in charge/makes no decisions" kind of position. It's an obnoxious cultural tick in entertainment media you can mostly blame on Disney.
schwabdizzle
Banned
I wonder the same about Princess Peach and Princess Toadstoll
Mango The Magician
Banned
I feel like that would cause a lot of confusion tbh. I do like the idea of a Queen being the villain though.
Link is the village chief, hilarity ensues.
Astral Dog
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She is? missed it, but well there was a lot of shipping so it makes sense.
Idk man there's a lot of fairy tales out there where the princess is evil. Usually the princess doesn't want to get married, so she has everyone holding for her hand fulfill an impossible set of tasks, with death as a punishment. With the help of various strangers or mysthical creatures he meets along the way the hero manages to fulfill all her tasks and either marries her or plunders the kingdom with his buddies (this one happens a lot when the hero is a former soldier of that kingdom who gets dumped after the war is over), killing the princess and her father or have them flee the kingdom and live in poverty. The End.
orthodoxy1095
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Easy solution: he's not a nobody. Just have the game start with an established romance. Therefore he is "somebody" to her. Instead of doing the typical "develop a new romance in-game" that soooooo many games do, you could step back from the usual script and start a bit unconventionally. He could either be the Prince or just a peasant boy.
The above picture is actually a bit silly, but it gets the point across. I'm dying for more games that start with relationships already formed.
There was a king in A Link to the Past. He appears in the game's intro sequence that shows when you leave the title screen running, and he appears in the game's ending alongside Zelda. He's just an idiot who was tricked by Aghanim and presumably stuffed in a closet or killed until the Triforce fixed everything.
There is definitely a king in Ocarina of Time. He is just off-screen to the right during the scene when Link and Zelda are spying on Ganondorf through the window. Who else would Ganondorf be kneeling in front of?
So in A Link to the Past, Ocarina of Time, Minish Cap, and in the backstory for both The Adventure of Link and Wind Waker, Zelda is a princess who is the daughter of a living king who is still on the throne.
Now, in Skyward Sword and during the events of Wind Waker/Phantom Hourglass, there is a Zelda, but no actual Hyrule, so she isn't a princess at all.
That still leaves a few versions of Zelda for whom it isn't clear if she is the ruler or not. We know pretty much nothing about the Zelda from the first game. Most non-canonical manga and comics give her a father who is still in charge. The sleeping Princess Zelda from The Adventure of Link, as I mentioned above, definitely wasn't a ruler, and she probably isn't going to be queen after waking up without a coup d'etat given that there is another Princess Zelda alive at the same time who has a better claim to the throne. I think the both A Link Between Worlds and Spirit Tracks Zeldas are pretty much the rulers, but both seem to lean heavily on advisors (like Impa or Chancellor Cole) due to their young age. They might be considered regencies, and the princesses will probably be officially crowned when they become adults.
Maybe there is just a tradition in Hyrule for reigning Zeldas (since they are all named Zelda by law/tradition) to use Princess as their official ruling title? As people mentioned above, there is nothing inherently wrong with using Princess as a ruling title, it is just strange being paired with male rulers who use King as their title. Of course, it is a fantasy kingdom that uses a different writing system that we are presumably seeing translations for.
Maybe the system just changes during different eras? It is a pretty long timeline with some pretty big events shaking the kingdom. Sometimes you wonder if there is even any dynastic continuity at all.
Enosh
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prince/princess can be the highest possible office, like for example Liechtenstein
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Liechtenstein
edit: meh beaten, but should have expected it 3 pages in ^^
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does mario land or whatever it's called also have any king or queen?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Liechtenstein
edit: meh beaten, but should have expected it 3 pages in ^^
edit2:
never played zelda, had no idea there is a king
does mario land or whatever it's called also have any king or queen?
foxuzamaki
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Slay!
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Only a few games have a king of Hyrule. Off the top of my head the only games that mention him are Link to the Past (Dead by the time the game starts), Ocarina of Time (Alive, but off screen), Wind Waker (An ancestor of the current Zelda, so he doesn't really count), and Minish Cap (He's actually a character in the game).
Mango The Magician
Banned
I don't know, I feel like having Link be a nobody who doesn't become a hero kinda flies in the face of his character and the whole lore, it'd be like if Zelda had absolutely no connection to any kind of royalty or something.. If they wanted to say make a sequel to an existing game like TP or ST or something, where not only is Link already important but also known by Zelda, then I think that would work better.
Like for example, if say some unknown ally of Ganon's surfaces post TP and captures Link, then Zelda goes to rescue him; I think that works better.
On the flip-side, I like the idea of a prince Link or basically Link getting in with the royal family, so if they wanted to say make him a love interest of Zelda's post TP, and a honorary member of the royal family, due to being involved with Zelda, then that would be cool. Just don't make Zelda dress in a tunic, because that's not Zelda, give some kind of dress/armor combo but without HW's boob armor..
orthodoxy1095
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To clarify I wasn't actually advocating that Zelda takes up the green tunic. I'm also not advocating that Link be a nobody. I'm just advocating that it could be a fun twist to have Zelda be the main character of the game. He would still be the Hero of Time and she would still be the Princess/Queen.
Maybe a sequel is the best way to do it. In that regard I'm not sure about the design. I'm just totally spit-balling random ideas here. Have a game (sequel or totally new) where Link has already become the hero and where he and Zelda have already fallen in love. Working off that base opens up the game to explore new storylines with new tones. Maybe Link gets captured on a military campaign. Maybe he gets poisoned. I really don't know. But whatever the situation, give Zelda a chance to help him out.
Did he also make her a wuss for nostalgia?
Mango The Magician
Banned
Oh, I didn't mean to imply that that's what you meant, well I was a little confused about Link in your scenario, I was just explaining that I don't think Link or Zelda for that matter can truly be nobodies.
Likewise, all those ideas sound ok and could easily work; I'm down with playing as Zelda and rescuing Link.
In fact, sorry if this isn't allowed, I'll take down the link if it isn't, here's a link to a modded version of the og BS Zelda remix where you can choose between playing as Zelda and as Link, whoever you play as rescues the other. it's the "Third Quest" file, you got to go to the BS The Legend of Zelda section, then the modded versions section. It has a new map, slightly new items, and slightly revamped dungeons.
http://www.bszelda.zeldalegends.net/bszelda.shtml
This isn't really, what were talking about since you can still play as Link, but I personally had a lot of fun playing as Zelda.
Again, not sure if I can link to this so feel free to remove it mods.
Here's a pic, because why not?
orthodoxy1095
Banned
UGHHHHHHHHHHHHH ;_;
I can definitely agree with that. They have to be somebody to each other and to the lore of the game.
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