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Jesus, take things a little more seriously why don't you. It's a fucking video game.

 

[DenisDuckFat]

Here is my take on a few points I've seen in this thread.

Miyamoto selling out?

Did Miyamoto once mention that Cel-shaded Link was the way to go? The way he envisioned the series? Hell yes he did. He does PR for the game. Anytime he talks about a game, it is his job to sell it to you. Now that Link has changed, of course he is changing his tune in order to reflect positively on the current product. Who was the person ultimately responsible for the change from Spaceworld Link to Celda? No one will ever truly know. It may have been a group of people, or it may have been two artists who thought it would be an industry shaking move.

Ultimately the move backfired. Chibi loving nerds who like manga may say Nintendo is selling out, but the majority of Zelda's traditional and largest target base, who are like me feel Nintendo is doing what it should have done in the first place.

Chibi Link aside, the Wind Waker was broken and underwhealming in many aspects. You had the most boring overworld in the history of Zelda. You had a triforce treasure hunt that would alienate and make any casual gamer who was a Zelda fan quit. I QUIT FOR GODSAKES.!!!

The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess looks to really be the definitive Nintendo game. I don't know if many of these huge production, adult-appealing games, that back it up with intelligent and innovative design will be coming down the pipeline? But it is something we need to see more often. It is something that in retrospect we got on the NES, but for some reason since the mid 90s, EAD artists have been skewing to younger and younger in many cases.

Nintendo has a very large audience. Right now its most loyal audience might be in its teens and adulthoold. I think Nintendo needs to be more responsible and have more of a international conscience when it designs certain games. I love Nintendo but when I look at the first-party stuff they have released on the GameCube, I feel like they are not showing me the love back. Satoru Iwata better learn many XBOX owners would not exist if the GameCube had a Perfect Dark, Punch-Out, Killer Instinct, Conker, Pilotwings, Excitebike. How big of a target audience can Nintendo get by oversaturating its first-party releases with Mario Party 4-7, Mario Sports, Mario Spinoffs, and Pokemon. I mean what else has nintendo released.

I honestly respect what Nintendo is doing with the DS in Japan. Nintendo is finally releasing software that is varied and very appealing to casual gamers and adults. Brain Training Exercise, Jam With the Band, Nintendogs, Touch Wario Ware, Elektroplankton, Yakuman DS, alongside the traditional Yoshi Touch N Go, and Super Mario Bros. DS. However, the USA market might a completely different story. All i see is Mario, Yoshi, and Pokemon. Where is Jam with Band !! Where is Brain Training Exercise!! Prove me wrong Nintendo.

people like you and your fanbase suck at thinking and should be shot in the face.

 

[UltraMarioMan]

people like you and your fanbase suck at thinking and should be shot in the face.

Can we shoot you in the face instead?

 

[Shikamaru Ninja]

people like you and your fanbase suck at thinking and should be shot in the face.

It's just opening your eyes to the spectrum. Not every game player is an uber nerd who likes cute things. Why should you be catered to and not the casual guy who may like things that are cool.

As far as your comment itself. It's ridiculous.

 

[DenisDuckFat]

Look at your own statement, fool.

EVERYTHING is catered to people who think they are cool and mATHCIOIORE~!! and all sorts of crap. Now there's one less games that strays from that. Screw you people with bad taste who like OOT and Toilet Paper Princess Selloutda. They should all be shot in the face.

 

[aperfectt00l]

Look at your own statement, fool.

EVERYTHING is catered to people who think they are cool and mATHCIOIORE~!! and all sorts of crap. Now there's one less games that strays from that. Screw you people with bad taste who like OOT and Toilet Paper Princess Selloutda. They should all be shot in the face.

Wow...so you want basically everyone cept for you and mdm dead?...i would ask why you want to be alone with him so badly but i think i know why ....Now do us all a favor and shut the fuck up, you seriously have nothing interesting to say, your trolling sucks ass as do you.

 

[Shikamaru Ninja]

Look at your own statement, fool.

EVERYTHING is catered to people who think they are cool and mATHCIOIORE~!! and all sorts of crap. Now there's one less games that strays from that. Screw you people with bad taste who like OOT and Toilet Paper Princess Selloutda. They should all be shot in the face.

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I AM TALKING ABOUT NINTENDO THOUGH. NOT EA. My whole paint was for Nintendo to keep balance.

 

[DenisDuckFat]

Screw internal balance. I'd rather they balance out the industry as a whole. But stupid losers clamor for this crap and ruin video games.

 

[mr.beers]

For christ sakes. They've already confirmed another cel shaded Zelda game in the future. You'll get it........someday. Hopefully for Revolution.


Courtesy of Cube IGN
Quote:
The Zelda trailer was certainly fantastic and indeed it does reveal quite a lot about the game that we didn't learn from the playable E3 demo. But again, even the new footage is only part of the overall Twilight Princess puzzle. Luckily, I had the opportunity to interview some key members of the game's development team, including director Eiji Aonuma and also Shigeru Miyamoto, who will have a much more influential role on this new Zelda than he has the previous two. After speaking with both, I walked away with a much clearer picture of what Nintendo has in store for this new adventure. But still, there were some gaps to be filled in, and some of them were -- not by us, but by observant readers who noticed details in screens and footage that we overlooked, or by E3 showgoers who recorded revealing footage at the Zelda booth that we missed. Only after piecing all of these combined elements together was I able to compile the below list.

* According to Eiji Aonuma, Twilight Princess is set after Ocarina of Time and before Wind Waker. This has of course created a bit of controversy, as the storylines from Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker do not seamlessly connect, as purists have pointed out. Still, Nintendo has never gone out of its way to chronologically align the series, and has instead preferred simply to say that with every game there is a new Link and a new Zelda.
* In Twilight Princess, Link is about 16 or 17-years-old, according to Eiji Aonuma.
* The video of course confirms that Link can change into a wolf. However, it does not appear that gamers will be able to trigger the change whenever they desire. Rather, the transformation occurs depending upon where Link goes.
* In Twilight Princess, Hyrule is under attack by a mysterious force known as the Twilight Realm. The shadowy alternate dimension is spreading throughout the land, sucking anyone or anything in its path through.
* When Link enters the Twilight Realm, he automatically changes into a wolf. According to Eiji Aonuma, humans cannot exist in their current form in the Twilight Realm. When they cross over, they change into animals, which can exist in the alternate dimension.
* When Link enters the Twilight and changes into a wolf, he encounters a mysterious new female character named Midna. She dons a magical mask that covers one eye and rides on top of wolf Link. The two are inseparable in the Twilight Realm.
* When Link clears an area in the Twilight Realm, it changes back to normal Hyrule and he returns to human form.
* Midna also undergoes a change when she exits the Twilight Realm. "If you go with the strictest definition of exist then yes, she can exist in normal Hyrule," explains Eiji Aonuma. "But there is a certain kind of subtlety to that which I can't reveal at this point in time." Some gamers have speculated that Midna is in fact Link's shadow, which comes to life in Twilight.
* Ganon is in the game and very likely the main antagonist.
* The creatures and look of the Twilight Realm will have sci-fi elements to them, according to Eiji Aonuma. However, he says, the title will still be fantasy based.
* Link will be able to combine items in the game. He combines bombs and arrows to create bomb arrows in an older trailer. In the latest footage, he carries a lantern and oil, presumably to refill the light-giving device when it runs out.* The game is much bigger in scope than Ocarina of Time, which it strives to better in every way. Because of this, Link will actually need to use Epona to cross very long distances as it would simply take way too long to travel on foot.
* Eiji Aonuma says that with Twilight Princess, locations -- presumably structures and temples -- will be enormous, truly dwarfing Link in scale.
* Link can use a canoe to traverse waterways.
* The hero can dive and swim underwater, which suggests there will be a Water Temple.
* According to Eiji Aonuma, Link might be able to fly across great distances, presumably on the back of a still-unrevealed winged beast. We're hoping for a dragon.
* The character will gain more weapons and items than ever before. Some will be returning weapons and items while others will be brand new to the series.
* Link will be able to fish again and also use chickens to float.
* There will be more dungeons and boss battles in the game than in any other Zelda.
* Zelda is in the game. She is the cloaked figure seen in videos. She wears this mourner's robe to mourn what she sees as the death of Hyrule at the hands of the Twilight Realm.
* Zelda may be able to transform into an animal, according to Eiji Aonuma.
* There will not be any significant time travel in the game, as there was in Ocarina of Time. That seems to indicate that Link will probably stay the same age and not grow older.
* The game will run in progressive scan and Dolby Pro Logic II, but not 16x9 widescreen mode.
* The title will feature orchestrated music as well as MIDI songs.



Holy crap! Flying!?

We need combining in the next prime. please ninty, retro PLEASE!

 

[Li Mu Bai]

Screw internal balance. I'd rather they balance out the industry as a whole. But stupid losers clamor for this crap and ruin video games.

So you must hate the industry as a whole then? The best-selling software of this gen. have been molded for this "cool and mATHCIOIORE~!!" fanbase. Nintendo would also be in a far better place if they diversified their internal software library to more reflect this reality. If you cannot realize & accept this, it is you that should be shot in your disfigured face.

State your arguements in an intelligible manner, if you're capable. Don't derail a good thread wih your lack of maturity. The irrefutable truth is that TWW hurt its own potential sales with its visual presentation, (despite its uniqueness & beauty) LOZ:TP won't suffer this fate by the casual superficial gamer. And the change wasn't even made for them, Aounuma said "many fans" wanted to see this happen & he was correct.

 

[DenisDuckFat]

The industry as a whole pretty much sucks now.

You've got EA, Fubusoft, Sucktivision, and countless other publishng house putting out crappy games which sell to the idiot masses (ie you)

The real irrefutable proof is that people are stupid and the masses taste sucks.

American Idol, Halo, GTA, Boy Bands, The DaVinci Code, Pixar films, SpiderMan movies, and so much more points to things that are no good selling very well.

Please, shoot yourself in the face. Maybe someone can insert a brain in the resultant cranial hole.

 

[Li Mu Bai]

I hate you.

EAD Ninja is right regarding the majority of what he said, & you're a junior member so your feelings are invalid.

 

[SantaC]

people like you and your fanbase suck at thinking and should be shot in the face.

banned?

 

[AssMan]

lol. I'm wondering the same on why he isn't banned.

 

[Tellaerin]

On the topic of epics lets just say that the graphics are Twilight Princess' fatal flaw (along with the art, yeesh) and will be the downfall of the game, and not even Aonuma can save it.

Those screenshots look like a faded t shirt.

Heh. Speaking for myself, I daresay that WW's graphics were its 'fatal flaw', to the point where I had no desire to play the game whatsoever. The problem wasn't the cel-shading (which I'm actually quite fond of), it was the design for Link himself. That squat little troglodyte with the squashed head and football-shaped eyes may have been called Link, but he wasn't anything like the Link I grew up with. (If I could have my wish, cel-shaded Link would have looked like one of the old 8-bit game manual illustrations come to life, or something from the artwork they used to run in Nintendo Power.) To me, there was nothing appealing at all about the style he was designed in--I didn't find it cute at all. (Sanrio characters are the pinnacle of simple and cute, IMO. WW Link, on the other hand, is simple but ugly.) I'd lump Sega's 'makeover' of Sonic and friends into the same category, but thankfully they had the good sense to stop short of making the characters actually look like that in-game.

Twilight Princess, on the other hand, looks a lot like what I used to envision when playing LttP, when the 2D graphics mingled with my imagination to paint an image of Hyrule in my mind. Regardless of what you think of the art style, it doesn't contradict my inner vision the way WW does. And for that reason alone, it's already infinitely preferable to WW in my eyes. So feel free to fling bile my way, since it's people like me that Nintendo's 'selling out' to with TP. Just don't be surprised if I fling some back.

 

[olimario]

FubuSoft :lol

 

[blackadde]

The industry as a whole pretty much sucks now.

You've got EA, Fubusoft, Sucktivision, and countless other publishng house putting out crappy games which sell to the idiot masses (ie you)

The real irrefutable proof is that people are stupid and the masses taste sucks.

American Idol, Halo, GTA, Boy Bands, The DaVinci Code, Pixar films, SpiderMan movies, and so much more points to things that are no good selling very well.

Please, shoot yourself in the face. Maybe someone can insert a brain in the resultant cranial hole.

So, um, do you listen to / play / watch anything any more? Or are you just a machine from the future programmed to HATE.

 

[Scrow]

lol. I'm wondering the same on why he isn't banned.

because he's DDF and he's entertaining... apparently. *shrugs*

pokmin series is as close as it gets.

It's a lot to do with the stupid serious tone that seems to be part and parcel of that "style"

so you're a graphics whore, just on the opposite end of the common spectrum.

 

[Li Mu Bai]

So, um, do you listen to / play / watch anything any more? Or are you just a machine from the future programmed to HATE.

He's 1.) far too ignorant to be a machine 2.) too ignorant also to be from the future

While I also dislike the way the industry is headed, I can see the trend yet I know Nintendo won't simply pull a 180 to remain competetive, nor do they necessarily have to either. (DS software anyone?) It definitely wouldn't do this with one of its second most important IPs. (LOZ) As a company they will continue to produce non-traditional software, though at the same time producing internally more T-rated & acquiring more cross-platform & exclusively 3rd party M-rated software for the Revolution. Nintendo realizes the software's importance from both an economic perspective, but also from a consumer perception based one as well. DDF play only homebrewed games from now on, because next-gen it will get even worse. Also Reirom-speak is now a bannable offense, fyi.

 

[DenisDuckFat]

because he's DDF and he's entertaining... apparently. *shrugs*

so you're a graphics whore, just on the opposite end of the common spectrum.

try reading, you retard.
I HATE SERIOUS GAMES. SERIOUS GAMES ARE SERIOUSLY UNFUN. GAMES WITH REALISTIC GRAPHICS TEND TO TAKE THEMSELVES TOO SERIOUD. YOU HAVE BEEN 0WNED.

 

[DenisDuckFat]

He's 1.) far too ignorant to be a machine 2.) too ignorant also to be from the future

While I also dislike the way the industry is headed, I can see the trend yet I know Nintendo won't simply pull a 180 to remain competetive, nor do they necessarily have to either. (DS software anyone?) It definitely wouldn't do this with one of its second most important IPs. (LOZ) As a company they will continue to produce non-traditional software, though at the same time producing internally more T-rated & acquiring more cross-platform & exclusively 3rd party M-rated software for the Revolution. Nintendo realizes the software's importance from both an economic perspective, but also from a consumer perception based one as well. DDF play only homebrewed games from now on, because next-gen it will get even worse. Also Reirom-speak is now a bannable offense, fyi.

please be less dum.

 

[demi]

DDF you will be mine.

 

[DenisDuckFat]

sTOP TALKING TO ME!!

 

[Scrow]

try reading, you retard.
I HATE SERIOUS GAMES. SERIOUS GAMES ARE SERIOUSLY UNFUN. GAMES WITH REALISTIC GRAPHICS TEND TO TAKE THEMSELVES TOO SERIOUD. YOU HAVE BEEN 0WNED.

Still, graphics are a determining factor to whether you enjoy a game or not. That makes you a graphics whore no matter how you try to spin it. And I’ve been 0wned? Oh dear, I’m distraught.

sTOP TALKING TO ME!!

Turn off caps lock, or at least remember not to try and capitalise the first letter in a sentence when you’re using it.

 

[DenisDuckFat]

efgbr4jhnryhnjntujmntu uyjntumnt5yt5u jtjnmt ryjntyjn rtjnryhntrnbtr

DO YOU NOT LISTEN? SERIOUS GAMES SUCK, AND THEY USUALLY TRY TO HAVE REAL/ANGSTY GRAPHICKS.


I give up on you. To 0wn you yet again would be like owning an Xbox. Totally pointless.

 

[demi]

deniisssssssssduckfat

i want to own you like i own a virtual boy

i want to use you like i use my game gear

denissssssssssduckfat

 

[Scrow]

efgbr4jhnryhnjntujmntu uyjntumnt5yt5u jtjnmt ryjntyjn rtjnryhntrnbtr

DO YOU NOT LISTEN? SERIOUS GAMES SUCK, AND THEY USUALLY TRY TO HAVE REAL/ANGSTY GRAPHICKS.


I give up on you. To 0wn you yet again would be like owning an Xbox. Totally pointless.

no one like a quitter. c'mon give it another shot. it'll be fun. i bring out the best in you.

OH PLEASE OWN ME! PLEASE!

You with the sad eyes
Don´t be discouraged
Though I realize
It´s hard to take courage
In a world, full of people
You can lose sight of it
And the darkness, inside you makes you feel so small

But I see your true colors shining through
I see your true colors, that´s why I love you
So don´t be afraid, to let them show
Your true colors, true colors
Beautiful, ooh like a rainbow

Show me your smile and
Don´t be unhappy, can´t remember when
I last saw you laughing
If this world makes you crazy
And you´ve taken all you can bear
Just call me up, because you know I´ll be there

And I see your true colors, shining through (shine)
I see your true colors, and that´s why I love you
So don´t be afraid, to let them show (Just show your)
True colors, true colors
Are beautiful, ooh like a rainbow

Such sad eyes
Take courage now, realize
When this world makes you crazy
And you´ve taken all you can bear
Just call me up, Because you know I´ll be there

And I see your true colors, shining through
I see your true colors, that´s why I love you
So don´t be afraid, to let them show (Just show your)
True colors, true colors, true colors are shining through

I see your true colors, that´s why I love you
So don´t be afraid, to let them show
Your true colors, true colors, true colors
Are beautiful, beautiful, like a rainbow
Yeah, yeah, yeah (yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah)

(Harmony)

Show me your colors, show me your colors
Show me your rainbow
Show me your colors
Show me your rainbow (that´s why I love you)
Show me your colors
Show me your rainbow (that´s why I love you)
Show me your colors
Show me your rainbow

 

[DenisDuckFat]

Buy better portables.

 

[olimario]

Scrow
Doesn't get it





But to his credit, DDF isn't being clever or funny like he used to be.

 

[Scrow]

put a sock in it gary

 

[DenisDuckFat]

Scrow
Doesn't get it





But, DDF is being cleverer & funnier than he used to be.

FIXED, BRAIN HEMMORHAGE

 

[demi]

denis do you love me

 

[DenisDuckFat]

nO I ONLY LOVE PIZZA AND MY MOM.

 

[demi]

i love pizza too, let's go have a slice together we can bash nintendo all night long by the warm glow of the lcd screen

 

[DenisDuckFat]

You probably like that low class crap at pizza Hut. I only eat real pizza.

 

[demi]

I'll eat whatever you shove down my throat.

Gimme some o dat unf

 

[Scrow]

damn it demi, stop sucking his cock.

 

[DenisDuckFat]

He only wishes he could. I have high standards in everything, just like I do for video games.

 

[demi]

you are my standard, denis, i think that's high enough for now

yiff yiff

 

[DenisDuckFat]

You re beneath me! Go find one of the dozens of people pretending to be me. And pretend that's me.

 

[demi]

Drinky is banned

Gonna have to go with second place, and look who just happened to arrive!

 

[DenisDuckFat]

tazz?

 

[demi]

nO IDIOT

yOU

yOU SET THE STANDARD FOR MEDIOCRITY, TRY HARDER

i KNOW YOU CAN DO IT

dENISDUCKFAT I BELIEVE IN YOU

 

[Li Mu Bai]

Scrow
Doesn't get it





But to his credit, DDF isn't being clever or funny like he used to be.

I do not remember those days, & his are numbered. Back on topic please, & demi stop hitting on him damnit! It only encourages him to reply. You've been awfully quiet on this topic Gary.

 

[Mejilan]

Reviewing the 2nd half of this thread (so far), I think we should put up a sticky informing our younger members of what DDF was like before he (mercifully) left GAF.

 

[Scrow]

nO IDIOT

yOU

yOU SET THE STANDARD FOR MEDIOCRITY, TRY HARDER

i KNOW YOU CAN DO IT

dENISDUCKFAT I BELIEVE IN YOU

HEED MY WORDS MR. FUNNY MAN

Turn off caps lock, or at least remember not to try and capitalise the first letter in a sentence when you’re using it.

 

[demi]

woosh in one ear out the other eh scrow???

 

[Scrow]

it's an uphill battle

 

[ImNotLikeThem]

hey, wouldnt it be hilarious if DDF was actually....

 

[Scrow]

yes?