NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
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Nailed itPerfect yet he fucked up the first time he made humans
Nailed itPerfect yet he fucked up the first time he made humans
Do you ever question all the many, numerous systems in life, how they work in perfect harmony? A simple example, the systems in your own body. Think of their placements, their functions, their harmony, their size, etc. Then think of how it's all automated and you have no control of them. They just work without your intervention. Why was your mouth shaped like that? Your lips? Your teeth? Your tongue? Why's there saliva? How's is possible every time you swallow the food or drink goes down the right path instead of your windpipe? Why were they shaped that way? Then there's sound coming out of that area too? How? Why not just air? Where'd that sound box come from? How's it not being damaged and dead from all the foods and drinks that touch it many times a day? And the air? Where's it coming from? Where does it go? Why do you need it in and out every second? Who dictated that? Why aren't you in control of your own breathing? Why can't you simply not keep inhaling or exhaling forever? Why can't you stop breathing and not feel the pressure build up? And the nervous system? And the brain? And your eyes? Your arms, your legs? Fingers and toes? Why give each? Why not four? And why are they shaped that way? And the most important of all, this... Soul? What is it? Where'd it come from? Was it just floating in space until it decided one day to live inside this fetus? Is that soul you? Or is it not? Who are you? If you're that lost floating soul, why can't you remember anything? Because it doesn't have a physical brain? So it cannot think? But then how did your soul decide to choose this body? So it can think? And the endless questions never end. It cannot be a coincidence. You cannot call yourself intellectual, giving valid common sense reasons for everything, and say all of this just works together and happened by coincidence with a straight face. And this is just your body. Now think of everything around you. The animal kingdom and the many types of animals in it and how each function. The plant kingdom and the thousands, if not millions of types and their function. The microscopic stuff and their functions. The solar system. It's endless.i've always found it fascinating that people believe theres a God in the afterlife when there isn't even one in the current life
what if Fetus all thought that after being born they'd meet God, only to find out they'll be stuck paying taxes for life on earth
I'm pretty much sure the same thing happens again after we die somewhere else
we just pass through one universe to another after we expire
and in each one we have to slave away and pay taxes
there is no heaven, only work and taxes
Do you ever question all the many, numerous systems in life, how they work in perfect harmony? A simple example, the systems in your own body. Think of their placements, their functions, their harmony, their size, etc. Then think of how it's all automated and you have no control of them. They just work without your intervention. Why was your mouth shaped like that? Your lips? Your teeth? Your tongue? Why's there saliva? How's is possible every time you swallow the food or drink goes down the right path instead of your windpipe? Why were they shaped that way? Then there's sound coming out of that area too? How? Why not just air? Where'd that sound box come from? How's it not being damaged and dead from all the foods and drinks that touch it many times a day? And the air? Where's it coming from? Where does it go? Why do you need it in and out every second? Who dictated that? Why aren't you in control of your own breathing? Why can't you simply not keep inhaling or exhaling forever? Why can't you stop breathing and not feel the pressure build up? And the nervous system? And the brain? And your eyes? Your arms, your legs? Fingers and toes? Why give each? Why not four? And why are they shaped that way? And the most important of all, this... Soul? What is it? Where'd it come from? Was it just floating in space until it decided one day to live inside this fetus? Is that soul you? Or is it not? Who are you? If you're that lost floating soul, why can't you remember anything? Because it doesn't have a physical brain? So it cannot think? But then how did your soul decide to choose this body? So it can think? And the endless questions never end. It cannot be a coincidence. You cannot call yourself intellectual, giving valid common sense reasons for everything, and say all of this just works together and happened by coincidence with a straight face. And this is just your body. Now think of everything around you. The animal kingdom and the many types of animals in it and how each function. The plant kingdom and the thousands, if not millions of types and their function. The microscopic stuff and their functions. The solar system. It's endless.
That's all I'll say about this here.
Enjoy my wall of text, whoever decides to read this.
I'm not claiming to be perfect... like the abrahamic god doesCan you do a better job?
I am here for Sunday School, so buckle up buttercup.Chill, it's just a game. I'm not here for Sunday School.
it's one life, mortality is a phase. there is a heaven and a hell.i've always found it fascinating that people believe theres a God in the afterlife when there isn't even one in the current life
what if Fetus all thought that after being born they'd meet God, only to find out they'll be stuck paying taxes for life on earth
I'm pretty much sure the same thing happens again after we die somewhere else
we just pass through one universe to another after we expire
and in each one we have to slave away and pay taxes
there is no heaven, only work and taxes
Based off a book that could be made up?it's one life, mortality is a phase. there is a heaven and a hell.
Isn't it such a sign of hubris that they dismiss all the centuries of tales and scrolls written beforehand regarding these topics, yet they regard this one book as the savior to all of our "souls". This conversation should definitely be in the off-topic discussion.Based off a book that could be made up
you assume the "centuries of tales and scrolls" are dismissed. but they are not. there are common truths between them. confirming one another.Isn't it such a sign of hubris that they dismiss all the centuries of tales and scrolls written beforehand regarding these topics, yet they regard this one book as the savior to all of our "souls". This conversation should definitely be in the off-topic discussion.
A little more on topic, I could see this premise working in the same vane as the Constantine comics. The war of heaven and hell would be a cool topic to explore.
BingoIsn't it such a sign of hubris that they dismiss all the centuries of tales and scrolls written beforehand regarding these topics, yet they regard this one book as the savior to all of our "souls". This conversation should definitely be in the off-topic discussion.
A little more on topic, I could see this premise working in the same vane as the Constantine comics. The war of heaven and hell would be a cool topic to explore.
Kratos: Hmm, what do I do with this hammer Thor left?
Jesus: Hey.
The end.
We are talking about videogames and you bring tasteless shit like player characters raping innocent people on the table.Kratos making his son rape virgin Mary and throwing a one liner like "guess well call you just Mary now". Then a whole level on the parted seas and Moses waiting on the other side.
Epic stuff, it's time some developer dares to shit on everything. Too many snowflaking going around.
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They are 100% dismissed. The abrahamic God unequivocally and without question rejected all "false idols and gods" before and after him. To suggest a common thread between that God and others is just denialism.you assume the "centuries of tales and scrolls" are dismissed. but they are not. there are common truths between them. confirming one another.
FixedThey are 100% dismissed. The abrahamic false God unequivocally and without question rejected all "false idols and gods" before and after him. To suggest a common thread between that falseGod and others is just denialism.
That would also be a bad ass premise for a GOW game. " False God" versus the false idols.
Recent game called Raji did that. Some gods help you, some are against you. But it was made by Indian devs so maybe it is a bit different.Hindu Gods would be cool. Persona games use bunch of them, but for something like God Of War might not work because Hindu religion is still very active and would upset alot of ppl.
a recurring thing is people talk about religions from 3rd/4th hand experience and little actual comparative study.They are 100% dismissed. The abrahamic God unequivocally and without question rejected all "false idols and gods" before and after him. To suggest a common thread between that God and others is just denialism.
That would also be a bad ass premise for a GOW game. "God" versus the idols.
That would be epic!Can you imagine that shit? Kratos whooping up on Jesus or Mohammed?
Philosophers split the propositions into the 3 doxastic states. Belief, disbelief, and neutral. Hence the terms theist, atheist, and agnostic.What's wrong here? Well, to quote you, "It is exactly the fact that this alternate definition of atheism obfuscates many groups into one that is the problem".
Person A and person B are very similar. Both are neutral in doxastic belief.Consider the first pair of individuals: The belief that it is impossible to know whether God exists (person A) is very different from the belief that the evidence a person has seen so far does not support belief in God (person B). The latter claim merely requires some kind of evaluation of the evidence seen so far; the former requires an argument about the nature of evidence in general, and a claim about the limitations thereof. Such a claim is arguably much stronger and has a correspondingly higher burden of proof. If I call myself an agnostic, and I do not make clear which of the two viewpoints I espouse, the first question that someone who disagrees with me is likely to ask is "what kind of agnostic are you"? And as you say, we should try to avoid such situations of "making it harder to communicate" by not having clear categories.
My only contention was in the definition of the base terms. Namely atheism. But also agnosticism, theism. The three base terms are the most useful in their original meanings because of the symmetrical opposition of the positions. These are base terms. I make no claim that there aren't juxtapositions that can flesh them out further. As I said "I wasn't talking about agnostic atheism." That may very well be a useful juxtaposition mind you but that cannot overturn the base meaning of atheism. Again I was referring to the base term.Or, in your own words:
"Philosophy represents a more systematic approach. Certainly more credible than popularizers. As soon as you enter the realm of debate you are in fact entering into philosophy and hopefully sound philosophy."
We need a systematic approach that allows us to communicate clearly, not (merely) one that happens to track popular speech.
Now consider the second pair. We will still have the same issue of obfuscation that we were trying avoid, but this time person C – who is not sure whether it is possible to know with certainty whether God exists – is not "making a claim about reality" at all, merely about what is reasonable to believe. Yet this was exactly why, using the text quoted, you rejected atheism as a description of religious belief! Well, you can't have it both ways. Either:
This assumes atheism in general has "no belief". Not a juxtaposition either. Claiming not only that there is a new definition but that the OG definition doesn't even exist. Also a muddying of the philosophical positions.It's the lack of something, there are no beliefs being shoved down other people's throats.
Did you read the definition? Notice the colon.From the same dictionary:
"DISBELIEVE, verb transitive [dis and believe.] Not to believe; to hold not to be true or not to exist; to refuse to credit. Some men disbelieve the inspiration of the scriptures, and the immortality of the soul."
Websters Dictionary 1828 - Webster's Dictionary 1828 - Disbelieve
Websters Dictionary 1828 - Webster's Dictionary 1828 - Disbelievewebstersdictionary1828.com
Since agnostics also don't believe in God, your definition backs up the view that Atheism and Agnosticism are not mutually exclusive. To support your view, the definition should have said something like "belief in the impossibility of the existence of God".
Colons ... introduce clauses or phrases that serve to describe, amplify, or restate what precedes them
You're severly simplifying by lumping different groups together.
Only you are talking about this supposed "true atheism", no one else here was, and I don't think you won't find many people subscribing to it either. What is the actual point you're trying to make here anyways?
This assumes atheism in general has "no belief". Period. Which is false. It can be a belief by any definition and by the most authoritative definitions it MUST be a belief.It's the lack of something, there are no beliefs being shoved down other people's throats.
"Living" tyrannosaur is the only thing you need to define. You can just recount the history of the population in America and the physiology of tyrannosaurs and deduce that they haven't even been close to co inhabiting the USA. It's an example against the claim you can't disprove anything. For disproving god(s) look up arguments like 'the problem of evil'.I guess in theory you could, since we can define what a tyrannosaur is, we know they existed, and we can't observe them in the USA today. That actually makes it a very bad anology with supernatural entities such as gods. The lack of evidence is why it's called faith.
This assumes atheism in general has "no belief". Period. Which is false. It can be a belief by any definition and by the most authoritative definitions it MUST be a belief.
"Living" tyrannosaur is the only thing you need to define. You can just recount the history of the population in America and the physiology of tyrannosaurs and deduce that they haven't even been close to co inhabiting the USA. It's an example against the claim you can't disprove anything. For disproving god(s) look up arguments like 'the problem of evil'.
Philosophers split the propositions into the 3 doxastic states. Belief, disbelief, and neutral. Hence the terms theist, atheist, and agnostic.
Person A and person B are very similar. Both are neutral in doxastic belief.
Well, whether or not someone is respecting the base meaning of the words they use has no bearing on the validity of arguments they are trying to make with those words. So even if you're right and the person is forced to make the (bogus) claim that because they are an agnostic, they don't have any burden instead of the (bogus) claim that because they are an atheist they don't have a burden of proof, it doesn't really change anything. But if you accept the importance of knowing someone's attitude towards propositions (ii) and (iii) in classifying their religious belief, then we would be in agreement.My only contention was in the definition of the base terms. Namely atheism. But also agnosticism, theism. The three base terms are the most useful in their original meanings because of the symmetrical opposition of the positions. These are base terms. I make no claim that there aren't juxtapositions that can flesh them out further. As I said "I wasn't talking about agnostic atheism." That may very well be a useful juxtaposition mind you but that cannot overturn the base meaning of atheism. Again I was referring to the base term.
Did you read the definition? Notice the colon.
Doxastic states about what preposition? The proposition that God exists (i)? Or the proposition that it is reasonable to believe in God (ii) Or the proposition that it is possible to acquire knowledge of God's existence or non-existence (iii)?
"It's typically a mark of introduction, used to let the reader know that what follows the colon has been pointed to or described by what precedes the colon. (This is quite a different function from that of the semicolon, which is mostly used to separate two independent sentence parts that are related in meaning.)"
Yeah let's keep talking about killing innocent people, it's just games!We are talking about videogames and you bring tasteless shit like player characters raping innocent people on the table.
This is God Of War, not God of Rape.
That's good because weak and strong atheism are different categories. Also ironic that you yourself seemingly committed the same "error" when you classified persons C and D as theists, despite the fact that they have different doxastic states towards preposition (i). The desire to make this mistake indicates that religious belief is really not just about that preposition.These philosophers would evaluate doxastic attitudes towards 'the proposition that God exists (i)'. They would avoid any category (atheism) that combines two doxastic states into one ie disbelief with neutral.
How can someone who basically acts as if evolution hasn`t been proven beyond any doubt already write something like that with a straight face?You cannot call yourself intellectual, giving valid common sense reasons for everything, and say all of this just works together and happened by coincidence with a straight face.
evolution itself is more evidence. it's an argument for creation not against it. and helps clear developed contrasting theology and connects the common elements between different religions.How can someone who basically acts as if evolution hasn`t been proven beyond any doubt already write something like that with a straight face?
So Jesus would be the dude you test your weapons out on like in Hades. I'm down with that.Barring the political discourse it will bring, Abrahamic gods, Yahweh & Jesus will not be a good candidate for fun, as their "godlike" concept differs greatly from western gods from mythology.
In mythos, gods still fight with fists and their presence is still confined and limited, you can whisper on one corner and they wouldn't be able to hear you.
Yahweh on the other hand, is formless and unlimited, in which a word from Him will obliterate you from existence. How do you make this into a fun game concept? You can't.
Yahweh will see hear and know your every thoughts, move and present in the future and past. It's a concept you cannot bring to make a fun game.
What is Jesus going to do? Keep on ressurecting after you kill him lol? He doesn't fight back.
Do you ever question all the many, numerous systems in life, how they work in perfect harmony? A simple example, the systems in your own body. Think of their placements, their functions, their harmony, their size, etc. Then think of how it's all automated and you have no control of them. They just work without your intervention. Why was your mouth shaped like that? Your lips? Your teeth? Your tongue? Why's there saliva? How's is possible every time you swallow the food or drink goes down the right path instead of your windpipe? Why were they shaped that way? Then there's sound coming out of that area too? How? Why not just air? Where'd that sound box come from? How's it not being damaged and dead from all the foods and drinks that touch it many times a day? And the air? Where's it coming from? Where does it go? Why do you need it in and out every second? Who dictated that? Why aren't you in control of your own breathing? Why can't you simply not keep inhaling or exhaling forever? Why can't you stop breathing and not feel the pressure build up? And the nervous system? And the brain? And your eyes? Your arms, your legs? Fingers and toes? Why give each? Why not four? And why are they shaped that way? And the most important of all, this... Soul? What is it? Where'd it come from? Was it just floating in space until it decided one day to live inside this fetus? Is that soul you? Or is it not? Who are you? If you're that lost floating soul, why can't you remember anything? Because it doesn't have a physical brain? So it cannot think? But then how did your soul decide to choose this body? So it can think? And the endless questions never end. It cannot be a coincidence. You cannot call yourself intellectual, giving valid common sense reasons for everything, and say all of this just works together and happened by coincidence with a straight face. And this is just your body. Now think of everything around you. The animal kingdom and the many types of animals in it and how each function. The plant kingdom and the thousands, if not millions of types and their function. The microscopic stuff and their functions. The solar system. It's endless.
That's all I'll say about this here.
Enjoy my wall of text, whoever decides to read this.
Do you ever question all the many, numerous systems in life, how they work in perfect harmony? A simple example, the systems in your own body. Think of their placements, their functions, their harmony, their size, etc. Then think of how it's all automated and you have no control of them. They just work without your intervention. Why was your mouth shaped like that? Your lips? Your teeth? Your tongue? Why's there saliva? How's is possible every time you swallow the food or drink goes down the right path instead of your windpipe? Why were they shaped that way? Then there's sound coming out of that area too? How? Why not just air? Where'd that sound box come from? How's it not being damaged and dead from all the foods and drinks that touch it many times a day? And the air? Where's it coming from? Where does it go? Why do you need it in and out every second? Who dictated that? Why aren't you in control of your own breathing? Why can't you simply not keep inhaling or exhaling forever? Why can't you stop breathing and not feel the pressure build up? And the nervous system? And the brain? And your eyes? Your arms, your legs? Fingers and toes? Why give each? Why not four? And why are they shaped that way? And the most important of all, this... Soul? What is it? Where'd it come from? Was it just floating in space until it decided one day to live inside this fetus? Is that soul you? Or is it not? Who are you? If you're that lost floating soul, why can't you remember anything? Because it doesn't have a physical brain? So it cannot think? But then how did your soul decide to choose this body? So it can think? And the endless questions never end. It cannot be a coincidence. You cannot call yourself intellectual, giving valid common sense reasons for everything, and say all of this just works together and happened by coincidence with a straight face. And this is just your body. Now think of everything around you. The animal kingdom and the many types of animals in it and how each function. The plant kingdom and the thousands, if not millions of types and their function. The microscopic stuff and their functions. The solar system. It's endless.
That's all I'll say about this here.
Enjoy my wall of text, whoever decides to read this.
According to Christian theology, Jesus is the same being as God. God exists as a Trinity of three "persons" we call Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Son has a human nature and a divine nature. Two natures, yet one "person" of the Triune God. Christ's human nature is inseparable from his divine nature, ever since God added a human nature to the divine at the incarnation. So Jesus Christ, according to Christian theology, is equal in power to God. He is literally God. Otherwise to worship him would be the sin of idolatry.Barring the political discourse it will bring, Abrahamic gods, Yahweh & Jesus will not be a good candidate for fun, as their "godlike" concept differs greatly from western gods from mythology.
In mythos, gods still fight with fists and their presence is still confined and limited, you can whisper on one corner and they wouldn't be able to hear you.
Yahweh on the other hand, is formless and unlimited, in which a word from Him will obliterate you from existence. How do you make this into a fun game concept? You can't.
Yahweh will see hear and know your every thoughts, move and present in the future and past. It's a concept you cannot bring to make a fun game.
What is Jesus going to do? Keep on ressurecting after you kill him lol? He doesn't fight back.
Why you worried about me? The hell else am I supposed to say? I haven't engaged in theological debate in years. Mighty amount of hubris to think any of us understand this shit but I do appreciate a lot of the ontological takes here.How come op started the thread and doesn't have the nerve to chime in afterwards?
Thread obviously started in jest though the idea was tantalizing. Old testament, revelations etc is crazy af and it was just a fleeting thought about its application in a video game. Thread went all the way left though lmao.Fucking hell, you can't be serious?
I guess you could get away with just Christianity, as people rip into and disrespect that religion all the time.
However, no way could you do God of War X Islam. Religious extremist nuts decapitate people in the west for just showing a picture of their prophet. How do you think they would react with a video game version getting destroyed by Kratos?
There's only one God so... that would be kinda boring?
arbitrary mutation driven selection by sheer survival/multiplication of the best adapted species is evidence for "creation" riiiightevolution itself is more evidence. it's an argument for creation not against it.
arbitrary mutation driven selection by sheer survival/multiplication of the best adapted species is evidence for "creation" riiiight