Duane Cunningham
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I heard it was six WEEKS!
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Will we see a high-end Nintendo home console ever again?
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I heard it was six WEEKS!
Good one.
It would be interesting if Nintendo released it's own Steam Machine with an optical drive and their own digital store alongside Steam. That would solve the third party support problem.
But they would never do that, probably.
cartman414
Member
The N64 was supposed to come out earlier.
I'm sure they crunched numbers after the Gamecube came out and they decided they couldn't compete with Sony and Microsoft in the high end race. Those companies have other more profitable branches to subsidize their losses when entering a generation, Nintendo don't, they have too much to lose if a console of that spec under-performs.
The Wii U is failure, but they live to fight another day due to their low-power decision as well.
The Wii U is failure, but they live to fight another day due to their low-power decision as well.
Manmademan
Member
And the Saturn was "supposed to be" a 2d system. Things change during development.
Absolutely yes
Sony and Microsoft will not make a cutting edge tech console again like they did
with the "PS3 & 360" and they wont sell console with a huge loss ..
Nintendo can make a next gen console without huge loss .. for me the Wii U could
be a lot better if its ≈ 1 terflop without game pad and it will not cost them more then
350 $ to make
Sony and Microsoft will not make a cutting edge tech console again like they did
with the "PS3 & 360" and they wont sell console with a huge loss ..
Nintendo can make a next gen console without huge loss .. for me the Wii U could
be a lot better if its ≈ 1 terflop without game pad and it will not cost them more then
350 $ to make
This is where I am as well. Further, I think it's what the Wii U's streaming tech was built to ultimately lead to.
good thing that like the other two, AMD can do it for them.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Would Nintendo even bother with another home console really? Gamecube 21 million, WiiU... 19-20 million, Wii3 18 million and so on it goes, down and down with less and less third party support in tandem, thus affecting lifetime console sales negatively?
Who cares about marketing? Sony also attempted the same thing earlier with their PS1 T-Rex demo. Everybody wanted to do Jurassic Park.
And yeah, SGI workstations did things at a higher res and with more clarity than the N64 (as with any PC does with modern consoles). This is an $10,000 SGI workstation. The N64 was only $200 and did stuff very similar to it; and certainly it was a lot closer to it than the PS1 and Saturn were, especially in motion (thanks to Z-buffering).
I was referring to the handhelds of that era, before the DS and Wii. The DS and Wii are both significantly weaker than their competitors, which the 3DS and Wii U followed.
Glass Rebel
Member
I'm too lazy to find my post where I try to explain why but just let it be said that the hybrid idea is terrible and makes no sense.
Audible Phonetics
Member
I tell you what. It would be interesting if they tried.
Canis lupus
Member
With Iwata at the helm? Lol nope.
I'm not sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me?
Gamecube: 149 × 160 × 112 = 2,670,080
Wii U: 46 x 268 x 172 = 2,120,416
The lower third of the Gamecube was pretty much completely empty and only housed expansion slots.
Yeah, that's nonsense. The GPU can push whatever it wants, the framebuffer is fixed and simply can't fit an HD framebuffer. That has nothing to do with performance. Wii used the same GPU design with the exact same framebuffer size, which led to the exact same limitations.
Manmademan
Member
The wiiu isn't hitting 20 million. It can't hit the GCs 99 dollar price point and won't have a fraction of the third party support. Nintendo themselves can't put out games as fast as they could during the HD era either.
10 million is realistic. 15 would be a stretch. Home consoles are done after this.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Once the economy is no longer shit, they will do it again
killatopak
Member
I think they still need input from Nintendo engineers just like how Mark Cerny and whoever the lead architect of Xbox One is.
If not, We wouldn't be arguing why PS4/Xbox One is better than the other since it was both made by AMD.
EDIT: IIRC isn't Wii U's GPU an AMD card? Then essentially all 3 consoles were already made by AMD.
I'd love to read it.
This would be cool, but assuming Nintendo would be okay with using a non-Nintendo OS (which by itself I don't see it happening), their products have to appeal to Japan first. So yeah, nope.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
I'm being nice factoring in whatever bargain bin price the box reaches in 2015, but yes, I also struggle to see how it drags itself from the what... potential 5 million lifetime of this year to 4x that by its grim end as it gets more and more irrelevant.
In which case, if WiiU really did just sort of crawl in around 12-15 million, would people still think another console is assured?
Quite an oversight on your part. The thing is: Wii U follows the same principles as the Gamecube. Other consoles and PCs on the other hand pushed ever larger cases, bigger chips and higher power consumption. Back in 2001, PCs didn't come with 800W PSUs, and other consoles didn't have coolers the size of a whole Gamecube.
cartman414
Member
Different reasons. The games weren't ready yet.
JerrySpringer
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I feel like the only way Nintendo will ever beat Sony or Xbox is if they build a oculus rift type console.
soundahfekz
Member
You're being obscure for the sake of playing the "i didn't say___" card. You're making a assertion with no reasoning to support it, or a least none you're willing to divulge. By all means continue though.
I don't think we'll ever even see a standalone home console from Nintendo again. I think they'll just grind through this generation with the Wii U, and then follow up with a handheld 3DS successor with power that is 'good enough' (probably ~Wii U level) to be played on the TV. So yeah, I think the next generation will see Nintendo having a single platform.
tinfoilhatman
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They will if they want my money........
The real question is why should they? history proves it matters very little.
Besides, Nintendo simply can't compete with hardware manufacturers like Sony or companies like MS, wasn't that precisely the reason Sega left the hardware business? if you have to outsource manufacturing it's going to be more expensive.
Besides, Nintendo simply can't compete with hardware manufacturers like Sony or companies like MS, wasn't that precisely the reason Sega left the hardware business? if you have to outsource manufacturing it's going to be more expensive.
Tidesofblood
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This
Iwata just told me he thinks your money smells funny.
Get ready for some brain damage, Nintendo can't support two consoles/handhelds at once as shown over and over again. This seems like the obvious course to everyone
Off-Kilter
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I suppose now would be a good time for some clarification.
What I meant when I said "high-end" hardware was tech that performed (computing and visuals-wise) on par, but not necessarily better, with competing hardware from the same generation.
I'd say the SNES, N64, and GC were level with the competition during their respective generations but then you have a large gap between Wii and PS3/360 and Wii U and PS4/X1.
Coffee Dog
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You're right, Nintendo should destroy their incredibly lucrative handheld market so that they can put all of their eggs in one basket. You've cracked the case.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
The hybrid concept is far more weighted towards it being a handheld than a console. Its basically an HD handheld + TV out dongle (essentially the reverse of the WiiU). Its consolidating yet still having BIG SCREEN TV usage.
I feel the Wii U concept would have been perfect if the entire console could fit inside the Wii U Gamepad itself.
Not even by 2017 I can see Nintendo pulling off a HD handheld around $170. I'm not sure if you noticed, but Nintendo just learned that their handhelds -have to be- affordable. GBA launched at $99, it's in their best interest to make an affordable 3DS successor from day one.
Coffee Dog
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who the hell would want to haul that massive fucking thing with them?
But Iwata saw his shadow so 3 more months of winter.
gutter_trash
Banned
the shut down the GC, they shut down the vanilla Wii early, if they shut down the Wii U early again... how can anyone support their console without the certainty of them shutting the next console down early?
Nintendo make great games yeah but buying a console gets expensive, especially when they only last 3 or 4 years
a backward compatible Wii console maybe but eh,
Nintendo make great games yeah but buying a console gets expensive, especially when they only last 3 or 4 years
a backward compatible Wii console maybe but eh,
cartman414
Member
The thing is that circumstances have changed. There's no longer such a thing as being cheap, as Nintendo has learned the hard way. Going with a more modestly powered, thermally budgeted system has given them NONE of the benefits of last generation. Not to mention that the architecture is a little too different from the PS3/360 to port with that much ease, and just plain divergent from what everyone else is now doing.
MrPressStart
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One thing I have learned from over 25-30 years of gaming with Nintendo is that you can never count them out. I hope they stay around and get thier stuff together. I would love to see something up to par with the other systems.
No i cannot see it happening, i have had all the Nintendo consoles since the NES & since the SNES Nintendo have been falling behind, not so much behind but out of step & each gen the gap has grown bigger ok in some respects the N64 was more powerful but as a whole package it didn't take off because it was to late being released two years later than the PS1 which had the fifth gen all tied up, i do not want to get into a which gen is the WiiU but in some respects its the same thing, releasing a more powerful console at the end of a generation cycle, i think in a few years there will be a new Nintendo console that will be a bit more powerful than the X1 & PS4 only because the component prices would of dropped, but it will be too late again, now the real question is what will Nintendo do when the NeXtBox & PS5 are released will the next Nintendo console be on par with them tech-wise, i cannot see it myself, but i could be wrong, but now i am afraid my days of buying a Nintendo console on release are well & truly gone.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Every single phone+tablet on the planet is going to be Full HD and beyond by 2017, so what you're saying is either nonsense or Nintendo's entire hardware department needs firing out of the sun.
Also as time goes on, tech gets cheaper. You don't think Sony will be able to produce a Vita for $100 by 2017? Thing is $199 right now. Will definitely retail for $150 by 2017.
Even a tick beyond that and you have a VERY competent HD gaming device, as shown by games like Killzone recently.
Motley Grue
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To those saying there will never be another Nintendo home console after the Wii U:
I understand where you're coming from. However, unlike the the other two big players in the space, Nintendo ONLY makes video games devices and games. It would be absolutely foolish for them not to keep making home consoles indefinitely. They'll just make sure they never do so for a loss. Hence, Nintendo home consoles are pretty much guaranteed until the end of time, and perhaps way past when Microsoft or Sony decide to throw in the towel and pursue other business.
However, due to Nintendo's modus operandi, they will never sell it at a loss, and hence it is always likely to be underpowered.
Even the NES was underpowered in some ways compared to the SMS, which is why foolish 10 year old me bought what he thought was going to be the more powerful console.
I understand where you're coming from. However, unlike the the other two big players in the space, Nintendo ONLY makes video games devices and games. It would be absolutely foolish for them not to keep making home consoles indefinitely. They'll just make sure they never do so for a loss. Hence, Nintendo home consoles are pretty much guaranteed until the end of time, and perhaps way past when Microsoft or Sony decide to throw in the towel and pursue other business.
However, due to Nintendo's modus operandi, they will never sell it at a loss, and hence it is always likely to be underpowered.
Even the NES was underpowered in some ways compared to the SMS, which is why foolish 10 year old me bought what he thought was going to be the more powerful console.
They should stick to handheld.
It's cute that they appeal to the youth and elderly with their games and cheap prices, but for the main gamer audiance, usually males between 18-55 they really need a more powerful system and better games.
Not just rehashed of ancient game series.
Haven't they at least made a skyrim'esc pokemon game yet? They should. Should appeal to many people out there.
It's cute that they appeal to the youth and elderly with their games and cheap prices, but for the main gamer audiance, usually males between 18-55 they really need a more powerful system and better games.
Not just rehashed of ancient game series.
Haven't they at least made a skyrim'esc pokemon game yet? They should. Should appeal to many people out there.