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Will we see another 3D Mario on Wii U ?

3D World takes until at least World 3 or 4 to get to the really good bits. But once it starts getting good, especially the end game stuff, its fun. Not to mention the music is leagues ahead of 3D Land.

Honestly if you wanna be that anal about it, we havent had a truely open 3D mario since 64. Sunshine doesnt let you get shines out of order and to beat the game you have to beat the 7th mission in every world. So in that sense its very restricted with less replay value than Mario 64.
 
cyberheater said:
I bought mine at launch. Performance wise it's a pretty shitty system abandoned by 3rd party publishers and slowly limping along by continued delayed drip drip of stellar first party content.




Do you really think the NX will be any different?
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I have over 15 great Wii U games. That's more than I could say about a lot of consoles (The PS4 especially)

I think the difference with NX will be a heavy deal more third party support. If the system is built on similar archetecture there is nothing holding devs back from porting 2015/2016 games to it, I'm hoping it gives me reason to finally sell my PS4. One console, one PC sounds like a dream only Nintendo can provide.
 
I don't know what we're arguing here in this weird 3D vs. 2D Mario match-up, but. I loved 3D World and would gladly take another one of those or another Galaxy. Either I would hope would have that challenge level up to snuff with the final level in 3D World or those awesome bonus levels in DKC:TF because the bar has been raised.

Hopefully keep multiplayer though because I love playing with my wife. We beat 3D World together.
 
follow up to Galaxy is ostensibly going to NX. or the sequel to 3D World, whatever they prioritize. at best you could hope for cross platform but i doubt it

pretty much everything worth looking forward to on the system has been announced. though i'm sure they'll round out it's lifespan with Mario Backgammon or whatever other throwaway titles
 
jaxapollo said:
I have over 15 great Wii U games. That's more than I could say about a lot of consoles (The PS4 especially)

I think the difference with NX will be a heavy deal more third party support. If the system is built on similar archetecture there is nothing holding devs back from porting 2015/2016 games to it, I'm hoping it gives me reason to finally sell my PS4. One console, one PC sounds like a dream only Nintendo can provide.
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Agree significantly with this post. If you have a PC, it's really hard to justify any console beyond Wii U.
 
cyberheater said:
That might be true but the sense of freedom you get with a proper 3D game is unparalleled. Which is why I'd rather see a true SM64 sequel. It seemed to have a lot more freedom.
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Are you serious? How are the Galaxy games more of a "proper" 3D game than 3D Land/World? Because you get a star at the end instead of jumping on a flagpole?

Just because you don't like the way that the levels were laid out doesn't mean it's not a proper 3D game.

You have a point when saying 64 has more freedom, but to call the Galaxy games "proper" 3D while dismissing 3D World is just plain stupid.
 
ShadowFox08 said:
Citation needed.
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They're most likely thinking of quotes from Miyamoto; I don't recall Iwata ever talking about this. Check out these two posts (December 2014 and September 2015) from this thread that have quotes talking about a Mario game coming out on the next hardware.

The quote from December 2014 is likely the one that most are thinking of, as I believe most outlets reported it as an answer to the OP's question (e.g., "Next Mario might not arrive until next hardware"). It's not a definitive answer, so technically a new Mario game could release on Wii U. However, unless the next console releases in 2018/2019, it would be hard for Nintendo to have a new mainline console Mario ready in time for a console launch (in 2016 or 2017, the most commonly speculated NX release years) if they're also releasing one for Wii U in 2016.
 
I would be legitimately surprised if we got a single major new Wii U game announcement. The Wii U is getting Star Fox and Zelda and that's it, it's done.
 
At this point I don't see any more major Wii-U games being announced. Ports and smaller titles the rest of the way.

Wii-U still has a decent 2016 lineup though.
 
Beren the Empty-Handed said:
Not possible, because the controllers for the Wii U have digital triggers, not analog. Unless you want an inferior Super Mario Sunshine, and gods help us all then.
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Maybe they could do something with the gamepad gyro to replace the need for triggers? Strength of water determined by how much you tilt the gamepad forward.
 
Taker666 said:
Maybe they could do something with the gamepad gyro to replace the need for triggers? Strength of water determined by how much you tit the gamepad forward.
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That sounds good for the TV, but if you were doing off-tv play? Or they could just not enable that I guess.

Either way, unless it's already in development it won't happen for Wii U.
 
I hope we don't see it on Wii U. Wii U is dead, gone. All efforts should be put into NX software so it can launch with the other of all launch line ups.

Zelda, 3d Mario and Metroid Prime 4 :)
 
Save it for nx... Start off with a bang.

I'd be happy with a 3d world 2 to be honest, felt like a fresh experience (I skipped 3d land on 3ds).
 
cyberheater said:
If they don't put a true successor to galaxy or sm64 on wiiu then I'm never buying another Nintendo console again. It's as simple as that.
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MagnesD3 said:
No and to be honest a 3d Mario has yet to appear on the system.
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dampflokfreund said:
Yep.

Wii U is the only Nintendo console without a 3D Mario.

Unless you count a New Super Mario Bros 3D as a 3D Mario.
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This Thread....

But actually, I shouldn't be surprised, since the usual suspects are doing this
 
Solid Samus said:
Galaxy 1. Galaxy 2.

The highest rated games ever made.
The most ubiquitous franchise in gaming history.
The most successful Nintendo console in their history.

Their combined sales? 20 million.

NSMB pushed 30 million units alone.
NSMB Wii did another 30 million.

There's reasons for that - you and I might have been brought up on 3D platformers, but most of Mario's overarching userbase hasn't. Lots of them are unfamiliar with 3D Mario's mechanics and the act of controlling a platforming character in a 3D space, whereas 2D Mario has nearly always been known as an accessible and almost universally familiar game. Meanwhile, I feel as though Nintendo had proven with their Wii output that 3D Mario is their preferred Mario because of the gameplay mechanics that 3D level designs can enable. These games undoubtedly cost more to develop than NSMB games, by orders of magnitudes, and don't even see half of their success. It makes sense that Mario's creators would wish to attempt to rectify that situation somehow, don't you think?
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I can accept that the almost isometric viewpoint and fixed camera angles makes it easier for a lot of players. Especially as a multiplayer title.

Solid Samus said:
That's fair. I would totally prefer a continuation of 64's or Galaxy's formula moving forward, but I enjoyed 3D Land and World immensely for what they were.
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Yeah. I enjoyed them too but would love a SM64 sequel. :)
 
SaintMadeOfPlaster said:
Are you serious? How are the Galaxy games more of a "proper" 3D game than 3D Land/World? Because you get a star at the end instead of jumping on a flagpole?

Just because you don't like the way that the levels were laid out doesn't mean it's not a proper 3D game.

You have a point when saying 64 has more freedom, but to call the Galaxy games "proper" 3D while dismissing 3D World is just plain stupid.
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Think about how the camera and viewpoint works in both games and what the differences are and then get back to me.

I'll give you a clue.

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cyberheater said:
But relative to acclimating. Nintendo are masters of introducing gameplay elements to players. I'm sure they didn't need a bridge title to deliver a Galaxy/SM64 sequel.
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You're missing the point. Compare the sales of both Galaxies tip New Super Mario Bros Wii and you'll see what people preferred. Mixing the styles in 3D World and Land was a great way of trying to guide those who prefer 2D games into the 3D ones. Nonetheless, this doesn't mean that 3D World isn't a proper 3D game.
 
The Red Wizard said:
You're missing the point. Compare the sales of both Galaxies tip New Super Mario Bros Wii and you'll see what people preferred. Mixing the styles in 3D World and Land was a great way of trying to guide those who prefer 2D games into the 3D ones. Nonetheless, this doesn't mean that 3D World isn't a proper 3D game.
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The reason for the near isometric viewpoint for 3D World was to allow easy multiplayer.
 
The locked camera is likely partly to fix Sunshine's problem where Mario gets caught behind walls and they had to solve it (unsuccessfully) with the weird silhouette thing. That was the last 3D Mario free camera control.
 
The second I saw the thread title I KNEW it would evolve into a discussion if 3D World is a 3D Mario....

It is..

And no I dont think we will get another 3D Mario for Wii U, I could see a 3D Mario launchtitle for NX (the last time Nintendo launched a console with a Mario game was the N64 right?

And people saying the Wii U is a mess and a failure. Yeah maybe it is saleswise, but to be quite frank its the only console this generation I own, and I dont think I'm missing out...
 
How the hell is 3DW not a 3D platformer? You have the ability to navigate in three dimensional space. You jump around between platforms. That's literally the only two parts of the definition.
 
The Technomancer said:
How the hell is 3DW not a 3D platformer? You have the ability to navigate in three dimensional space. You jump around between platforms. That's literally the only two parts of the definition.
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No, listen to my totally cogent argument.

1) I am mad at Nintendo.
2) Fuck Nintendo.
3) Thus, 3D World isn't a 3D Mario.
 
The Technomancer said:
How the hell is 3DW not a 3D platformer? You have the ability to navigate in three dimensional space. You jump around between platforms. That's literally the only two parts of the definition.
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it's not a proper one though. everyone knows a proper 3d mario has a goal at the end of a series of obstacles.
 
AniHawk said:
it's not a proper one though. everyone knows a proper 3d mario has a goal at the end of a series of obstacles.
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Remember those times in Mario 64 where Toad just gives you a star for talking to him

That's REAL gameplay, unlike this "isometric" frou-frou bullshit that's isometric and not real and ISOMETRIC
 
I don't feel 3d is a good game either, it's ok it's a game but it isn't the game i want.


I much prefer mario 64 and i wish they would go back to that. make the visuals better etc

I imagine a new mario game with adventure parts, a toad world where you have cities and forests and you have branching levels off that like mario 64. Seeing mario tip toe with top end disney like animation around warp pipes and flower beds is sort of what I see as the big evolution of mario 64.

I want to see us control him and see him have a CG look to him, see his expression as he walks around the adventure part of the game that gives you a deep feeling.

I think this all stems from what I imagined it to be on the 64 though.
 
It's fine to not like SM3DW and it's fine to say it didn't give you what you wanted from a 3D Mario game

But to then say it is not, or doesn't count, as a 3D Mario game because of that, when it is actually and irrefutably a 3D Mario game, is absurd

Fixed camera games can't be 3D games now? What bible of games design is that from? Are Resident Evil 1-3 and FF7-9 also 2D games?

Wouldn't it just be easier to say you didn't like the game instead of bending over backwards to somehow strip it of its place in the series?
 
Galaxy 2 was an exception.

Otherwise we get one 3D Mario per system.

higgsboson1997 said:
The system already has the best 3D Mario game; I don't think it needs another.
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Good man. Super Mario 3D World is fucking incredible. A true sequel to Super Mario World. Strips out all the repetition from Galaxy/64/Sunshine that required you to repeat worlds over and over. 3D World is just about platforming, going from one awesome platforming stage to the next.

And Champion Road is one of the best levels in gaming. 99.9% that dislike 3D World never cleared that though.
 
oni-link said:
Wouldn't it just be easier to say you didn't like the game instead of bending over backwards to somehow strip it of its place in the series?
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That is not the Nintendo way. If we don't like a game, we can only mentally cope by inventing a bunch of ridiculous rules so that it Doesn't Count™.

The Wii U doesn't have a 3D Mario because 3D World Doesn't Count™.
Nintendo doesn't make new IPs because Wii series, Xeno, Wonderful 101, and a host of others Don't Count™.

Etc.
 
Crap, I just remembered, after 3DW, they came out with Captain Toad's Magical Adventures.

Goddamn it, Nintendo. The Wii-U is struggling you say? How about we make a spinoff title that nobody asked for! Surely that'll help our finances!
 
Oblivion said:
Crap, I just remembered, after 3DW, they came out with Captain Toad's Magical Adventures.

Goddamn it, Nintendo. The Wii-U is struggling you say? How about we make a spinoff title that nobody asked for! Surely that'll help our finances!
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Captain Toad was actually a very good game that did quite well for itself.
 
Oblivion said:
Crap, I just remembered, after 3DW, they came out with Captain Toad's Magical Adventures.

Goddamn it, Nintendo. The Wii-U is struggling you say? How about we make a spinoff title that nobody asked for! Surely that'll help our finances!
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You loved the Magical Adventures name tho didn't you.
 
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