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Windows Phone sales decline as share shrinks to just 2.5 percent
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antiquegamer
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It's not Microsoft that doesn't give a shit about WP line but the Lumia, it's HTC that usually doesn't give a shit about their phone after they are released.
8X is a lovely phone but Nokia did so much for Windows Phone from improving imaging to bringing their own design like glance and tap to wake.
MS as a whole is moving to agile development. It is one of the reasons why the Bone has such a quick cadence. Things will pick up pace in all divisions.
Final Boss
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I honestly didn't think they were even that high at 2.5%
Even in NYC I rarely see a windows phone or tablet in the wild
Even in NYC I rarely see a windows phone or tablet in the wild
deltatheta
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Wow, Microsoft has just been whiffing it lately. Windows Phone, Windows 8, Surface, Xbox One, the Nokia acquisition. The smartphone market is still growing rapidly, isn't it? How did they manage to have a decline in sales in a growing market?
And Windows 7 was such a great operating system. I like Microsoft but their trajectory has been alarming.
I've only used one briefly, but I've heard that Windows Phone is actually a pretty good product. The problem is that they were late to the market and didn't do enough to differentiate themselves from Android and iOS.
Microsoft has a history of being late, but their products have been so much better it didn't matter so much. Windows caught up to Mac OS at around 3.1 or 95, and its requirements were so low that it ran on dirt cheap hardware; an amazing technical achievement. Word and Excel arrived late too, but they were so much better than the competition they eventually won out. I'm having trouble seeing that happening with Windows Phone. iOS and Android are iterating so fast, it's going to be really hard to outpace them.
And Windows 7 was such a great operating system. I like Microsoft but their trajectory has been alarming.
I've only used one briefly, but I've heard that Windows Phone is actually a pretty good product. The problem is that they were late to the market and didn't do enough to differentiate themselves from Android and iOS.
Microsoft has a history of being late, but their products have been so much better it didn't matter so much. Windows caught up to Mac OS at around 3.1 or 95, and its requirements were so low that it ran on dirt cheap hardware; an amazing technical achievement. Word and Excel arrived late too, but they were so much better than the competition they eventually won out. I'm having trouble seeing that happening with Windows Phone. iOS and Android are iterating so fast, it's going to be really hard to outpace them.
Final Boss
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MS could have been Apple with the infrastructure it had and dominate the phone and tablet world but they were so late to the party they didn't deserve a piece of the pie
speculawyer
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Meh. What's the point?
They might have been better off just killing off Windows phone like they did with Zune.
Microsoft's stagnation has been epic. If not for Windows & Office, I wonder if they would have gone bankrupt by now. But I guess they do have some successes like their cloud stuff.
The xbox though . . . wow. They did great with the 360 and then completely threw it all away with the weaker specs, non gaming crap, draconian DRM, and mandatory-Kinect laden Xbone.
CountAntonius
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Had to shelve my Nokia 1520 because new corporate security policy did not support Windows Phone (the irony, we use Exchange!!)
Now have iPhone 5c and will upgrade to iPhone 6 when that comes out. I must say, I love the hardware and the OS itself and how you can uninstall any crapware that ATT loaded it with initially...however the apps for Win Phone are always second rate when compared to their Android and IOS versions, always lacking features (like my banking apps for Win Phone will not have check deposit feature, etc).
Now have iPhone 5c and will upgrade to iPhone 6 when that comes out. I must say, I love the hardware and the OS itself and how you can uninstall any crapware that ATT loaded it with initially...however the apps for Win Phone are always second rate when compared to their Android and IOS versions, always lacking features (like my banking apps for Win Phone will not have check deposit feature, etc).
Microsoft is doing so much right at the moment, but their consistent problem is they ignore the things they're actually doing right in favor of hyping the things they're doing so wrong.
Like, their cloud-based services (OneDrive) are basically first-in-class at this point.
And Windows Phone, despite the dearth of apps, is an incredibly solid OS that really is the best of both worlds that are Android and iOS. It's the most gorgeous mobile OS I've ever used, and by a long shot. I'm continuously impressed by it.
But the marketing in the US for both of these services have been abysmal.
Instead, MS chooses to highlight what? The fucking Surface - that good-but-forgetable idea that's unfortunately priced well outside of its potential market and sold like shit the last two iterations. THAT'S what I'm seeing on my TV constantly.
Like, their cloud-based services (OneDrive) are basically first-in-class at this point.
And Windows Phone, despite the dearth of apps, is an incredibly solid OS that really is the best of both worlds that are Android and iOS. It's the most gorgeous mobile OS I've ever used, and by a long shot. I'm continuously impressed by it.
But the marketing in the US for both of these services have been abysmal.
Instead, MS chooses to highlight what? The fucking Surface - that good-but-forgetable idea that's unfortunately priced well outside of its potential market and sold like shit the last two iterations. THAT'S what I'm seeing on my TV constantly.
gnarlyxcharlie
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Agreed, love 8.1 and the 520 is a fucking steal. 50 dollars off contract at walmart.
Tbis more or less describes my thoughts on MS.
http://techpinions.com/microsoft-is-the-very-antithesis-of-strategy
http://techpinions.com/microsoft-is-the-very-antithesis-of-strategy
My Nokia 1520 made my previous phone - Galaxy Note 2 - look and feel like a cheap plastic POS. Great design, great screen, quality materials, excellent (for a phone) camera. Just dumped on the marked without any advertising of note.
nillapuddin
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What will it take for me to get switch from my 1020
What sacrifices will I have to make, style, camera, etc?
Anything less than a ludicrous camera wont appeal to me, and the 920/1020 are still the best looking phones on the market imo
that solid unibody was gold
What sacrifices will I have to make, style, camera, etc?
Anything less than a ludicrous camera wont appeal to me, and the 920/1020 are still the best looking phones on the market imo
that solid unibody was gold
I"m ready to switch after my note 3. My problem is that they have been really slow with phone update. Last year I wanted to get a phone in August, waited a few months for a new windows phone announcement that didn't come out so I had to choose between either the note 3 or the lumia 920 so it wasn't even a contest.
Microsoft only has themselves to blame. So fucking stupid.
The biggest problem was the perception of their OS as 'Windows'. It wasn't Windows. It was like all mobile ARM OS, fucking gimped. Microsoft should have immediately understood that they couldn't utilize the Windows brand to help them sell phones when the iPhone first came out with iOS. They should have thought of something else in which they could integrate the apps from their mobile OS into Windows. Perhaps via some sort of emulation or streaming. They had this giant fucking infrastructure and cloud behind them but they were too fucking stupid to put everything together.
The biggest problem was the perception of their OS as 'Windows'. It wasn't Windows. It was like all mobile ARM OS, fucking gimped. Microsoft should have immediately understood that they couldn't utilize the Windows brand to help them sell phones when the iPhone first came out with iOS. They should have thought of something else in which they could integrate the apps from their mobile OS into Windows. Perhaps via some sort of emulation or streaming. They had this giant fucking infrastructure and cloud behind them but they were too fucking stupid to put everything together.
antiquegamer
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They were just trying to preserve their cash cows Windows OS and Office while the world move on to mobile computing.
Fox Mulder
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I got the 8x because it more appealing to me than the lumias. I like some things about WP, it's visually distinctive and fast, but will be getting the new iPhone. I feel like I've given it a fair shot.
it still lacks key apps for me and MS is god awful at sustaining any momentum. The big 8.1 update still isnt out unless you're in a developer preview program, and my phone probably won't get it anyways.
kurtrussell
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What? Symbian was actually a great mobile operating system.
Stop confusing UI with the OS
Microsoft made a big mistake when they locked down Windows Phone 7 like an iPhone. They needed to go the open Android route to attract the enthusiasts. They deluded themselves into thinking that people would accept all the downsides of iOS without all the benefits that come with it like best app support, brand cachet etc.
Looking back upgrading 6.5 and making it more stable with each release would have been the way to go. That would have given Android a bigger challenge. Your typical iPhone user was never going to get a Windows Phone anyway.
Looking back upgrading 6.5 and making it more stable with each release would have been the way to go. That would have given Android a bigger challenge. Your typical iPhone user was never going to get a Windows Phone anyway.
RandyBobandy
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Honestly, they're not needed
People are fine with iOS and Android
People are fine with iOS and Android
Angelus Errare
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Not even remotely shocked. MS' reactionary approach to market domination doesn't work anymore and MS is slow to readjust themselves.
I use a 520 at work and I refuse to believe that you are not joking.
It's slower than something really really slow.
Sgtpepper89
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Thank god my Lumia 920 never will die.
I bought a 521 for my mom and I can back that up. No faster than a 4S. My 5 runs circles around it.
while 2.5pc might not be great, they have much better share in some markets - eg 10% in UK and across Europe. Obviously a lot lower in the US
And surely the headline there should be ios being 'almost 12pc'. Yet if I read the usual tech press every day I'd get the impression it was >50%.
And surely the headline there should be ios being 'almost 12pc'. Yet if I read the usual tech press every day I'd get the impression it was >50%.
Could've, should've. No need to play that game.
Android is ahead because it is more ubiquitous thanks to Google's low-cost approach to the market. Microsoft decided not to take a race to the bottom approach with their mobile offerings and what you see today is the result of that. They could change all that if they wanted to and maybe with a new CEO in charge right now they will but that would be getting away from the things that make their platform great.
Android is ahead because it is more ubiquitous thanks to Google's low-cost approach to the market. Microsoft decided not to take a race to the bottom approach with their mobile offerings and what you see today is the result of that. They could change all that if they wanted to and maybe with a new CEO in charge right now they will but that would be getting away from the things that make their platform great.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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Yeah. It has a hitch to its giddy up but that's really the only drawback.
Triggerhappytel
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So they have about 1/5 market share of iOS devices?! I'm amazed it's that high!
RoyalLaFlame
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Fantastic. Great read and pretty much sums up MS. It's like that company is run by a bunch of fools sometimes.
This is a shame. Great OS but MS does nothing to differentiate themselves from Android/iOS.
I've still never seen one in the wild in the Philly area
Fox Mulder
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competition is always great. Where would we be now if google or apple never entered the market. I actually like Bing now after using it on mobile, plus I earn rewards for it.
MS has done some neat things with WP and it's a solid OS, but they've done an awful job of building up any momentum. Theyre so damn slow while everyone gets excited for a new iPhone and there's a new android darling seemingly every month.
Nikodemos
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Microsoft's top execs were terrified by the idea of causing irreparable damage to their traditional font of revenue (enterprise licences) by evolving/leveraging their assets horizontally.
Problem is, when you're terrified of using your most potent weapons against equally dangerous opponents, you generally lose.
Problem is, when you're terrified of using your most potent weapons against equally dangerous opponents, you generally lose.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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I'm really trying to figure out if they care so much. Reason why is because, all those patent deals they have with Android OEM which they make a tons more money on - which allows them to fail with WP is why I feel so.
They will just come back with a new strategy. At this point, they are making far more to afford the fail.
They will just come back with a new strategy. At this point, they are making far more to afford the fail.
Omnii-chan
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If WP had the android app store, it would probably be a lot better. I had one a lumia for a couple weeks, didn't care for it. I mean the phone itself was very nice, but tons of apps I wanted to use just weren't there.
anonymous_abc
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Yep, look how far we've come:
Yes because the look of the home screen is all we need to compare two systems...
If it had anywhere near the app support I would very likely get one. I bought my wife a cheap Nokia 520....$40 no contract...and it works awesome. Seriously never has those odd "suddenly a drained battery" I get with my android phones.
Also interface looks much better - even if functionally it is less powerful.
Most surprising is how smooth it all is, running the latest windows phone OS, old super cheap hardware and perfectly smooth.
Linked inbox is amazing - lots to like on the platform.
Angelus Errare
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Yes because the look of the home screen is all we need to compare two systems...
To add, it's doubly funny when you realize the honeycomb home screen came after iOS and the actual UI for Windows Mobile apps was still slow, cumbersome, clunk shit.
Fox Mulder
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I'm the only one in my yahoo fantasy leagues without access to the mobile app for drafting and all that.
everyone laughs at me.
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