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[itsgreen]

So basically a phone OS on a bigger screen. No thanks.
Until it can run Win32 programs this is still useless.

No it isn't...

This is fine for the overwhelming majority of people who don't do anything else than Word, Email and surfing the web.

They get a great large screen experience..

 

[BeforeU]

This is pretty awesome feature. Gives you a glimpse of what's going to happen in future. Our phones will powerful enough to just use it as a full PC, anywhere.

 

[Opus Angelorum]

So basically a phone OS on a bigger screen. No thanks.
Until it can run Win32 programs this is still useless.

Absolutely not what it is.

 

[Funky Papa]

So basically a phone OS on a bigger screen.

Windows 10 is basically the same thing on desktop computers and smartphones. It basically adapts itself to the display and peripherals of each device. Windows Phone is dead as we know it. From now on there will be one Windows for many different devices.

Until it can run Win32 programs this is still useless.

For you.

It is not meant to be the definitive solution, but a quick and reliable fix that can satisfy the average user. I'm sure we'll get there some day.

 

[……forgetit]

So Microsoft office, internet explorer, and media apps? That should be fine for an average user.

 

[M3d10n]

Universal apps are not ports. They are universal apps, designed to scale depending on the form factor of your device.

You won't be able to run Photoshop, but the fact that you can run Office and most of Microsoft's essential apps can make it a big deal for a number of people. MS Office and Edge already means that I could do 99% of my work from my phone. It's pretty huge.

You will. They just announced PhotoShop (not essentials) will be on the store using MS tools to recompile win32 apps as universal apps.

 

[The_Poet]

Cool idea, can basically replace USB flash drives.

Shame you need a windows phone for it though.

 

[Funky Papa]

You will. They just announced PhotoShop will be on the store.

My mind is blown. Although I only expect a very lite version in the same vein as PS Mobile.

 

[Ruud_Luiten]

Build 2015 was amazing. I was about to leave the MS Ecosystem, but I'm back. Just wow..

 

[M3d10n]

My mind is blown. Although I only expect a very lite version in the same vein as PS Mobile.

They just announced tools to quickly recompile win32 apps to universal apps. Universal apps can also be as big as they need to, to support AAA games. PhotoShop is said to be 2GBs, so definitely not the mobile app.

Since win32 apps can be recompiled to universal apps, it means modern apps aren't as limited as they were in 8.1. At the very least they must support multiple windows, drag and drop and traditional memory management, among other things.

 

[Mr_Zombie]

As said in the other thread, apparently this is only for their 'universal apps' (aka ports to their phone OS)

So it's not actual windows (no x86 phones) running so it's your desktop in your pocket in any meaningful way.

don't get too excited, you won't be running all your desktop progs on this, just whatever pittance MS and some third parties decide to port over.

For many people a browser, Office apps and multimedia apps are enough to be happy about this feature.

 

[Funky Papa]

They just announced tools to quickly recompile win32 apps to universal apps. Universal apps can also be as big as they need to, to support AAA games. PhotoShop is said to be 2GBs, so definitely not the mobile app.

Yeah, I mean in terms of features. The core will be the same, but you won't be able to do a lot of stuff in your phone.

I'll shit bricks if Adobe allows you to expand to full PS from your smartphone via Continuum, though. That'd be massive.

 

[Rosur]

They just announced tools to quickly recompile win32 apps to universal apps. Universal apps can also be as big as they need to, to support AAA games. PhotoShop is said to be 2GBs, so definitely not the mobile app.

With the C++ I'm wondering how easy it would be to turn Steam into a universal app (and launch games as universal apps/ normal programs (though this functionality isn't probably in due to security)

 

[M3d10n]

With the C++ I'm wondering how easy it would be to turn Steam into a universal app (and launch games as universal apps/ normal programs (though this functionality isn't probably in due to security)

It all depends on what policies MS will have for ported win32 apps. They have been demoing Steam on w10 from early on, there might be a chance.

 

[Mindwipe]

They just announced tools to quickly recompile win32 apps to universal apps. Universal apps can also be as big as they need to, to support AAA games. PhotoShop is said to be 2GBs, so definitely not the mobile app.

Since win32 apps can be recompiled to universal apps, it means modern apps aren't as limited as they were in 8.1. At the very least they must support multiple windows, drag and drop and traditional memory management, among other things.

That is a very big assumption. They're not remotely similar API sets, so the abstraction layer required will have significant impacts on performance, security and stability.

It will effectively be like running stuff in WINE, and with the abundant pain it generates, and the distribution mechanism still renders universal apps DOA.

 

[NumberTwo]

Seems like the logical conclusion the way we use our phones these days. I like it.

 

[JustenP88]

If this takes off I'm going to have to start a petition to add Windows phones to our work phone selection. Only Galaxies and iPhones now. I couldn't see myself using this on my personal phone.

 

[Cheebo]

Really awesome. It is too bad windows phone is making all these strides long after android and iOS locked down the market completely. It is too bad WP is never going to be more than a niche platform primarily focused on very cheap off contract devices. Windows 10 for WP seems really appealing.

 

[juliushandle]

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1037977

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

There are now some x86 phones out there. I really hope we see a windows phone that uses this concept to actually literally give us a tiny, full featured windows machine. I'm not expecting it this year, but the tech is basically here to do it as soon as someone wants to try, assuming microsoft will cooperate on the software side.

 

[SneakyStephan]

Universal apps are not ports. They are universal apps, designed to scale depending on the form factor of your device.

You won't be able to run Photoshop, but the fact that you can run Office and most of Microsoft's essential apps can make it a big deal for a number of people. MS Office and Edge already means that I could do 99% of my work from my phone. It's pretty huge.

I think the thread title is very disingenuous,no matter how much you may value ms office. You may think it's good enough for what you want to use it for, but it's not what your thread title is describing.
And if it's not x86 office then it's a port. The reason the word port matters it because it clearly makes the distinction that anything that isn't ported over will not work on it. (a fact MS seem eager to avoid having to mention with their naming schemes)

 

[Funky Papa]

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1037977

I swear I searched for Continuum (edit: or maybe I searched for BUILD in the titles, because I can be that dumb) and I only goth the BUILD thread.

Odd.

Oh well, mods can close this one or merge it.

I think the thread title is very disingenuous,no matter how much you may value ms office. You may think it's good enough for what you want to use it for, but it's not what your thread title is describing.

Disingenuous? Tell me how you really feel.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

Merg'd

 

[Funky Papa]

Merg'd

My favourite wallaby <3

 

[SneakyStephan]

I swear I searched for Continuum and I only goth the BUILD thread.

Odd.

Oh well, mods can close this one or merge it.



Disingenuous? Tell me how you really feel.

Really? I was trying to discuss things but it seems like I feel like putting your shilling false advertising ass on my ignore list.

 

[jwk94]

Is this really needed? Don't most people already have a keyboard & mouse hooked up to something? Would they want to switch that to their TV and connect their phone to the TV and go from there?

 

[Funky Papa]

Don't try to act all dignified now.

Really? I was trying to discuss things but it seems like I feel like putting your shilling false advertising ass on my ignore list.

Thanks for obliging me. I wish you a good day, too.

Is this really needed? Don't most people already have a keyboard & mouse hooked up to something? Would they want to switch that to their TV and connect their phone to the TV and go from there?

Continuum is not meant to replace a traditional big box, but to provide the experience in a pinch in case there's not a traditional computer available. Let's say that your Windows computer dies and you need to get shit done; you just plug your smartphone and continue where you left.

 

[LeleSocho]

Is this really needed? Don't most people already have a keyboard & mouse hooked up to something? Would they want to switch that to their TV and connect their phone to the TV and go from there?

If well executed this can be huge, it means that the phone will be your principal device for pretty much everything you do.
Imagine having all your photos, videos and documents on your phone and the moment you have to show/edit/do something with them you only need hook it up to a big screen and voila it acts like a desktop computer.

To have this though hard things have to happen that's why i said "if well executed" like for example every program and application made from now on has to be made universal binary for both x86 and ARM so you won't be crippled in using the "phone version".
One could also argue that for some things you need lots of processing power that a phone cannot handle and that's true but for most of the tasks it would be plenty enough and some of the hard tasks could be offloaded to the cloud in a way that your phone merely acts as an I/O device.

Mind you these are gigantic "if" and 99% this won't happen in the near future but the important thing is that someone put those ideas to practice.

 

[Doffen]

As said in the other thread, apparently this is only for their 'universal apps' (aka ports to their phone OS)

So it's not actual windows (no x86 phones) running so it's your desktop in your pocket in any meaningful way.

don't get too excited, you won't be running all your desktop progs on this, just whatever pittance MS and some third parties decide to port over.

You make it sound like everything will be ports. There will also be a lot of original universal apps coming to Windows 10.

And being able to play a movie from your phone on the tv, while you check your texts is a killer feature in my eyes.

 

[Funky Papa]

If well executed this can be huge, it means that the phone will be your principal device for pretty much everything you do.
Imagine having all your photos, videos and documents on your phone and the moment you have to show/edit/do something with them you only need hook it up to a big screen and voila it acts like a desktop computer.

To have this though hard things have to happen that's why i said "if well executed" like for example every program and application made from now on has to be made universal binary for both x86 and ARM so you won't be crippled in using the "phone version".
One could also argue that for some things you need lots of processing power that a phone cannot handle and that's true but for most of the tasks it would be plenty enough and some of the hard tasks could be offloaded to the cloud in a way that your phone merely acts as an I/O device.

Mind you these are gigantic "if" and 99% this won't happen in the near future but the important thing is that someone put those ideas to practice.

I believe UI scalability is going to be a bigger issue than processing power itself without even taking the cloud in consideration.

Photoshop is highly usable with a modest, Atom powered Surface 3, and the latest crop of ARM SoCs are quite beastly themselves.

 

[SCHUEY F1]

Clearly MS didn't use the word magical enough.

Feature looks great.

 

[Mindwipe]

You make it sound like everything will be ports. There will also be a lot of original universal apps coming to Windows 10.

Just like there were going to be lots of original universal apps coming to every version of Windows and Windows Phone for the last few years that never happened?

 

[Funky Papa]

Just like there were going to be lots of original universal apps coming to every version of Windows and Windows Phone for the last few years that never happened?

While you are making a fair point, universal apps didn't exist until Windows 10.

You are thinking about Metro apps, which offered negative benefits.

 

[Doffen]

Just like there were going to be lots of original universal apps coming to every version of Windows and Windows Phone for the last few years that never happened?

Windows Store lacks ports of popular apps.

 

[Garrett 2U]

A lot of cool idea with this.

Go to the library and stream your own desktop to their hubs.

Pretty sweet.

 

[Bomber Bob]

With the C++ I'm wondering how easy it would be to turn Steam into a universal app (and launch games as universal apps/ normal programs (though this functionality isn't probably in due to security)

store apps are going to be sandboxed so no Steam im afraid

 

[LukasTaves]

Very interesting and very smart.

So all "Phone" apps will natively scale to monitors and have mouse/kb input options. even though these don't appear to be exactly the same as the pc versions of excel and outlook they still look perfectly functional.

I'm impressed.

That exact same version is also available on desktop, as a universal app. There will also be a win 32 version, but I suspect the intent is to eventually phase out the win32 when the universal app matches it feature wise.

 

[Zuhzuhzombie!!]

Since the fist iPhone I dreamed of a phone that works like that.

When you are home,. You plug it into a dock which is connected to a monitor and suddenly you have a desktop pc. When you are finished just take it with you again.

Would be perfect for office use/university. I have already everything I need for my studies on my iPhone.

This kinda Lea es apple out. Android and now windows do this but apples mobile os is significantly different from a desktop.

 

[mrklaw]

As said in the other thread, apparently this is only for their 'universal apps' (aka ports to their phone OS)

So it's not actual windows (no x86 phones) running so it's your desktop in your pocket in any meaningful way.

don't get too excited, you won't be running all your desktop progs on this, just whatever pittance MS and some third parties decide to port over.

people manage with chromebooks, they'll manage with this. Obviously not as your only computer, but as a fallback/backup/portable solution it'll be fine.

 

[Mindwipe]

While you are making a fair point, universal apps didn't exist until Windows 10.

You are thinking about Metro apps, which offered negative benefits.

These offer negative benefits - they're still sandboxed, isolated from system files, heavily censored for anything Microsoft doesn't like politically, subject to a single point of failure, subject to Microsoft arbitrarily changing the terms, subject to instant takedown if there's an IP dispute, subject to Microsoft's inflexible charging infrastructure etc etc.

Until the Windows store code signing is dropped entirely, by default, universal apps will remain parked solidly in failure mode. Switching from Win32 is hard for developers even if it's unquestionably better in every way. Universal apps *aren't*.

 

[PlayALLtheGames]

But that means I'd have to use a Windows phone. Heeeell no.

 

[PG2G]

Until the Windows store code signing is dropped entirely, by default, universal apps will remain parked solidly in failure mode. Switching from Win32 for developers even if it's unquestionably better in every way. Universal apps *aren't*.

Doesn't the fact that anyone can unlock their phone/pc help with issue?

 

[Mindwipe]

Doesn't the fact that anyone can unlock their phone/pc help with issue?

No, I don't think it does - it'll be hidden, it's limited to twenty apps, and the sandbox limitations still apply.

 

[Funky Papa]

These offer negative benefits - they're still sandboxed, isolated from system files, heavily censored for anything Microsoft doesn't like politically, subject to a single point of failure, subject to Microsoft arbitrarily changing the terms, subject to instant takedown if there's an IP dispute, subject to Microsoft's inflexible charging infrastructure etc etc.

Until the Windows store code signing is dropped entirely, by default, universal apps will remain parked solidly in failure mode. Switching from Win32 is hard for developers even if it's unquestionably better in every way. Universal apps *aren't*.

Oh, the whole Windows Store thing *is* garbage, but universal apps are very interesting for developers interested in launching both desktop and mobile apps* but don't have the resources for it. Still, I think it may have some potential when combined with the new iOS/Android approach.

*the three of them.

 

[Opus Angelorum]

But that means I'd have to use a Windows phone. Heeeell no.

You expect a iPhone to offer Windows 10 when connected to a TV?