Cept of course Left Behind doesn't come close to 30 hours. It's like 2-4 hours at most. Plus Naughty Dog has some of the worst dlc practices around.
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witcher 3 suddenly charging for dlc
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Cept of course Left Behind doesn't come close to 30 hours. It's like 2-4 hours at most. Plus Naughty Dog has some of the worst dlc practices around.
It's really easy to see why. Expansion is a much older term than DLC, and people who gamed back when expansions were things you bought in boxes on top of your already owned games are familiar and comfortable with the term, and can understand what it means. It usually offers some idea about the size and scope of the offering.
DLC on the other hand, just means "downloadable content", it tells you nothing about the size and scope of the thing. Horse Armor is DLC, but it doesn't seem particularly comparable to this, so it doesn't seem ridiculous to use another term, especially when a very relevant term already exists and has been used for 20+ years.
Furthermore, I don't think CDPR is relying on semantics here. They were very clear that they wouldn't charge for small things, but would for large things. See the quotes posted above. Whether we call it "large DLC" or "expansions" doesn't change their previous statements, and they're not shoving this through on a technicality.
So what's the big deal if they announce their plans for an expansion earlier? Well-regarded expansions have launched 6-12 months after the base game without people making a big deal of it.
It's a Shame we don't have the choice whether to buy the season pass or not.
There is literally none. Other than some statements made by CDPR that seem conflicting on them charging for DLC.
The game has been feature comete since December, thats 5 months the rest of the team has been working on other stuff. Try to inform yourself next time before making wild claims like this.
EmptySpace
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it's an expansion. seriously.
think: wrath of the lich king, or yuri's revenge.
think: wrath of the lich king, or yuri's revenge.
Expansions and DLC are planned well before release. If the game is a flop, they'll cancel all development.
My take from this is that people hate dlc announcements before release, even if they're substantial.
That's kind of ridiculous.
This whole thing kind of just goes to show the "rarity" of true expansions these days. A lot of companies don't even see them as a viable source of income in regards to the amount of money that they have to put into it. BioWare said they weren't making expansions for DA:I after they made DA:O Awakening because it wasn't cost beneficial vs. DLC. Needless to say I get pretty excited when a developer announces that they will be adding an expansion because it's true, while everything is "DLC", consumers have been conditioned to believe that it will include not a lot for the money (even worse if it ends up being disappointing). On top of the fact that its common to find stories of people finding game files pertaining to DLC that are on the disc but cannot be accessed until you buy it. It's good to be cautious with your money, so the safest bet for anyone who has any doubts is just to wait.
Because it happens with pretty much every big game that comes out now. If your mind can't separate a complete game and additional, separate expansions, it's your loss.
That's usually the case, isn't it? Like Mass Effect or Prince of Persia I think?
veloxStrix
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How many threads is this now? Three? Four?
xrnzaaas
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Who says you have to look to the future? Can't you just spend 60 bucks on a game and be happy about what you get? It's not like every AAA game has to be some huge investment for the months to come.
PS. This announcement didn't change my attitude towards Witcher one bit. I was only saying how the majority of the gamers might react in my opinion after they're informed about the paid expansions. Especially after the initial campaign of being nice to customers and giving them DLC's for free.
Because the game isn't even out yet and they're peddling for the $25 or whatever it costs to buy the expansion. Sure, they did the whole song and dance with "oh if you don't like it, don't buy" just to please the majority. Wait for the game to come out and announce it.
Can someone point to these statements? As in use direct quotes to show CDPR saying that DLC will be free? Because all I'm seeing is the commonly posted quote in here that very directly says small stuff will be free but they will charge for a "high production value story extension".
Sword Of Doom
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We don't know how long it's gonna be. They say 30hrs. I don't agree with OP but I also can't just take CDPR's word for it. Guess we'll have to wait and see what they actually end up releasing
Did you even read your own link?They are talking about not having to pay for little pieces of DLC.
There's nothing dirty about it. You can either choose to buy it without knowing if it's good or you don't, like with any piece of entertainment. The ability to buy the expansion won't disappear when the game is released.
Leafhopper
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It's extra content, get it later.
Or don't buy it.
If you are that persistent about having everything day 1 then wait for a sale I guess if you can't afford/don't want to pay the amount.
EDIT: The first expansion doesn't come out until October actually so I don't even know what you are on about.
This is typical business practice. A publisher can get some additional revenue pre-release by announcing season passes early. That's what they did, and they are not even close to alone in the games industry.
Why should people give you the benefit of doubt when you won't do the same for a company with a great reputation. You think you're coming across as cautious but you're actually being quite dismissive about the whole thing.
Relevance to the point? None.
Hence the part of the press release where they said hey! If you're skeptical, don't buy it.
You won't spend 60 bucks on the core game because you can't afford the complete package, when the first expac doesn't hit til October?
“While we’re offering the Expansion Pass now, we want to make one thing clear: don’t buy it if you have any doubts. Wait for reviews or play The Witcher and see if you like it first. As always, it’s your call.”
I mean, do what you want, but this is cutting off the nose to spite the face lol.
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So its ok as long as they announce it post launch?
Just because it's standard practice doesn't make it less shitty
I personally think the argument between dlc and expansion is semantics. It's all technically downloadable extra content, no matter how long or substantial it is. People wouldn't be complaining if they just said "we have a bunch of free dlc planned, and later down the line we have massive dlc planned that adds 20 hours of extra content, which we plan on charging for". Some people just don't differentiate between dlc and expansions.
I can, and if I enjoy it, I want to know if more info is coming. If I'm a "completionist," and maybe I won't be playing the game 6 months from now, knowing that DLC is coming might make me wait until said DLC is available so I can play everything at once.
It doesn't have to be, sure, but I don't see why so many people, as consumers, are saying they would rather remain ignorant of the product they're spending money on.
Summer Haze
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It's amazing how people get so worked up about things they haven't even read properly.
Dark_castle
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Okay so expansion is a DLC, and? CDPR is still going to give out the free 16 dlcs as promised, but do you honestly expect 30+ hours story/gameplay DLC to be free?
Did Black Isle announce (and sell a preorder) for their expansions before the games came out? Genuine question, as I would have been ~10 around then.
I'm sure they were working on ToB before BG2 came out, but it feels 'dirty' when they offer it for sale before the game came out.
Witcher is out in May(?), DLC is out in Oct. If this was announced in July (hell, even June at E3) then it would have landed better.
Prophet Steve
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OP? Seriously, can you read?
Not only haven't you read the links you posted, you still ask what pieces of free DLC while it has more information right there in the links you posted.
And then you jump to conclusions even though they have said they would possibly do something like this three years ago.
No, I don't think they were announced beforehand.
Not only haven't you read the links you posted, you still ask what pieces of free DLC while it has more information right there in the links you posted.
And then you jump to conclusions even though they have said they would possibly do something like this three years ago.
No, I don't think they were announced beforehand.
That is literally what their statement basically said. They said they would likely charge for bigger content.
I guess “old enough“ is wrong then. dlc is really something bad if this is what people who didn't play pc games twenty years who think of when it comes to a legit expansion. but pro hint: you don't have to buy it and even cdpr said don't buy until reviews hit. Of course this attitude can be spinned in a bad way and I am looking forward to this in this thread.
The only thing shitty is your reading comprehension.
matrixman92
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so if they announced it the day after the game came out then that would have been better?
I see a lot of relevance to the point. Of course I know what an expansion is since I've been playing on PC since the 80s.
Why? Feelings are not a valid argument, here.
Fucking bingo! You didn't see blizzard announce any season pass or announcements about reaper of souls before D3 came out.
Solid Samus
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Feelings are the only argument here.
I'm not arguing that it didn't. I understood their statement completely, other people didn't.
add starcraft, the age of series and almost every other rts in the 90s
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