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Polygon has a better history of being a joke.
aiat_gamer
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And Gamespot changed the article, AND they mentioned the revision in the article, something that Polygon did not. If you look at controversies, GS rarely pops up.
normally I would agree.. but this is gies..
he thinks Japan is not worth anything..
I think I just got dumber reading that conversation.
Take out America & X360 is 50 million units behind the PS3.
LonelyGreyWolf
Banned
tattooed_dwarf
Member
Yeah but that's not really what he is saying...
thewhitehawk
Member
normally I would agree.. but this is gies..
he thinks Japan is not worth anything..
The last thing I want to do is to defend Gies, and his "remove Japan's sales from consideration" argument is moronic, but I kind of agree that Japan is not as relevant as it once was as a gaming market.
A few years ago the industry's best selling list was dominated by Japanese games but nowadays, barring a few exceptions, that isn't the case. To say that they're losing relevance rapidly though is a bit of an exaggeration, to say the least, given that it has been an ongoing process over more than two console generations. Provided the right platform and right games, I think Japanese games can still be competitive and make a relevant splash in terms of sales and I feel that they have a significantly longer-lasting appeal than most western games despite seeming a bit more dated in terms of technology. I don't know about you guys but if I was playing a 2006 RPG I'd much rather play Twilight Princess than Elder Scrolls Oblivion, but maybe that's just me.
He disqualified the Wii because "it's Nintendo", & then he disqualified PS3 because it sold well in Japan, aka. Japanese sales don't count, that's exactly what he's saying.
He basically disqualified first place & second place for arbitrary reasons & declared last place the winner.
LonelyGreyWolf
Banned
True or false; what does that even have to do with anything? It has nothing to do with the original argument he started.
thewhitehawk
Member
I just wanted to say that I agreed with a small slice of his contrived arguments: that Japan isn't as relevant as it once was. But I don't need to disqualify Sony or Nintendo in order to make that argument.
tattooed_dwarf
Member
plasmawave
Banned
We should not count Japan because they are not as relevant as they used to be, is one of the dumbest arguments ever said in the human history.
tattooed_dwarf
Member
It's sad to see that so much of games media doesn't trust their content, quality or insight for industry, but resort to these clickbait antics, that make them seem unprofessional and like yellow press.
I dont understand how can people still visit Polygon after that gross shit they pulled last year.
So Japan isn't as big a gaming market as it was during the PS1/PS2 days means we shouldn't count their sales? It's a really really dumb argument.
I think this is the root of the problem. Some people have become very used to the concept of game's length as the time it takes to 'consume' all the game's 'content' sequentially from beginning to end, like a very long movie. The time it takes the player to learn how to deal with the game's obstacles isn't factored because, well, there usually aren't any.
thekiddfran
Member
Gies can be so off sometimes it's funny. I remember laughing at the time listening to the IGN xbox podcast when he was super insistent Skyrim would be delayed and Mass Effect 3 was on schedule for 2011 and of course it ended up being the exact opposite.
Also on the same show how dumbfounded he was when like 3 of the guests picked Metal Gear Solid as their favorite game. lol
thewhitehawk
Member
I don't think he's as much of a fool as he is very skewed in terms of how he views the industry. I guess everyone is to some degree but he tends to say some stupid things regarding the industry and has a particularly nasty bias against almost everything made by eastern companies.
At times he seems more like a Microsoft spokesperson rather than a reviews editor for a multiplatform game site. To have such a strongly biased and unilaterally-inclined person ahead of the reviews of a gaming site just seems as wrong to me as having a lioness in charge of security for all african wildlife.
tattooed_dwarf
Member
No I agree that it isn't as relevant as it used to be. I'm not defending Gies, or saying that he doesn't have strong bias, or that you shouldn't count sales. Basically I was agreeing that last comment Gies made.
I agree entirely, but looking at the software coming up this year, we have MGSV, Bloodborne, Zelda, Xenoblade, Splatoon, Persona V, MonHun4U and loads more all coming from one small group of islands. It might not be as relevant as it once was, but that's still a shedload of potentially fantastic games from one country. Hardware (and software) sales are a different story, but in terms of creative output, I still don't think any one country has overtaken them yet.
As for Gies, the idea that you can happily discount 10% of your sales coming from one country in a global sales comparison is preposterous. The fact it was once higher than that and is declining fast doesn't stop something being relevant until the numbers are much smaller than that.
I went to Polygon in the early days, more because I was curious than anything else.
Havent been in a looong time, around the simcity always online stuff.
I cant take the site seriously. This is knee jerk, shitty journalism, and it stinks.
Not to mention Gies. I will not give anything associated with him clicks.
Havent been in a looong time, around the simcity always online stuff.
I cant take the site seriously. This is knee jerk, shitty journalism, and it stinks.
Not to mention Gies. I will not give anything associated with him clicks.
thewhitehawk
Member
I'm talking about sales mostly, but also relevance and influence. A couple, or more, console generations ago, eastern games were a lot more influential. Some western games wanted to make their games more eastern, nowadays, more often than not, it's the other way around.
Creatively, in terms of AAA games, I agree with you, but I think independent developers have taken up the slack of creatively-bankrupt western games and right now the industry is in a healthier position than it once was, in that regard.
Messofanego
Banned
At least Gamespot mentioned the mistake, Polygon didn't do anything to cite the headline from the tweet was bad and that's their reason for deleting the tweet.
Holy hell how did I miss that.
Yeah, fair enough, agreed- I guess I just look at what I'm looking forward to this year, and it's mostly Japanese AAA stuff and western indies.
thewhitehawk
Member
Same for me actually. The exception is the Witcher.
Me too, and Total War: Atilla if that counts.
Robot Pants
Member
I can't believe how long this game is taking.
But I'm still so hyped
But I'm still so hyped
SneakyStephan
Banned
This is factually incorrect, bish had to lawnmower a bunch of shills last year when they messed up and used a corporate email to register.
even when you post stuff like this..
that sounds like gies allright...
Guess he prefers his games simple, without any learning curve and where the grade at the end of the level comes in the form of a bar he can fill rather than a representation of his performance
perfect
Every time a thread turns to Gies stupidity bashing, I discover he said something new and even more moronic. He's the gift that keeps on giving, an insult to journalism itself, he should try to get hired by Microsoft and be done with it.
OMG, link please, i need to see this.
Baron_Calamity
Member
Just wanted to say I love the title of this thread.
FF Seraphim
Member
If we want to be totally honest here we all know Polygon as a gaming website has great potential its just been hindered by crazy mindedness.
Look at this 18 page article on Japan
http://www.polygon.com/a/life-in-japan
Of course not all of it is great but look at the editor/contributors for this piece. I assume if Polygon had these people as their voice instead of Gies we would have a much better opinion on them.
Look at this 18 page article on Japan
http://www.polygon.com/a/life-in-japan
Of course not all of it is great but look at the editor/contributors for this piece. I assume if Polygon had these people as their voice instead of Gies we would have a much better opinion on them.
Ravensmash
Member
Is this a nod to sensationalist journalism?
Neuromancer
Member
brb guys, getting a new tattoo
